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Here's a guy I just discovered today . . . natural sense of musicality . . . born to play. I hope you enjoy! Good playing . . . Marinero
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05-06-2020 03:01 PM
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I've been hearing him for awhile. He's got a lot going on. Here he is at a small joint in Tupleo, MS---Elvis' hometown and where some of my relatives live.
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Man has the blues. It's in him, and it's got to come out. HT: JLH.
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Yeah, Kingfish is great. Got him in heavy rotation on my streaming device thingy.
Originally Posted by Marinero
John
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I never worry about the blues dying. But it’s lovely to see energy like this being breathed into it. Thank you for posting this - I hadn’t heard of him before.
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Boogie Chillen Originally Posted by citizenk74
Man has the blues. It's in him, and it's got to come out. HT: JLH.
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He's smooth. Reminds me of Peter Green.
Last gig I had was a 3 piece blues band.
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I've been checking him out for a while. He's good. I hope he can get the weight under some control.
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This guy is amazing. TIG isn't exactly my favourite tune (due in no small part to playing it badly in many bands lol) but he adds a whole new lick of paint to it... Originally Posted by Marinero
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I usually don't try to kill joy threads, where people find joy in music.
But gotta ask here .. Serious question
What exactly is Kingfish's contribution here that improves on this? (Other than the occasional altered lick)
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Improvement over BB is both impossible and beside the point. Blues (when done right) is a living form that is about personal expression and interpretation. If someone manages to play a version of a song that allows a listener to perceive that player's distinct musical personality and/or the message and emotions of the song, then the player has succeeded. However, if you don't like that version and think only BB's version is worthy, then nothing is stopping you from listening to BB's version(s). Originally Posted by Lobomov
Also, there is so much "blues" that is petformed by people wearing Blues Brothers costumes, pretending to be something they're not, and delivering words they plainly don't understand in accents that are not their own. It's refreshing to find a younger person just being himself without a whole lot of pretending, and incorporating his generation's R&B textures into songs that have become parody through imitation and overuse.
John
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for me ..learning the musical history of not only the players but the genre itself gives a more robust understanding and respect to the music and the musicians that
perform it.
The blues evolution should be realized by those that wish to play it..it is integrated in almost every bit of american music of all genres
Almost everyone that begins to play guitar finds those magical licks have a powerful feel..and many if not all professional musicians pay tribute to the
early pioneers who may have known it was an oral tradition born in pain that gave us this "gift" of expression...
a three note lick from Albert King can say more than a hundred shredding players playing "the blues in A"
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He's dropped about 100 pounds over the last two years. He knows he needs to get it under control and posts about it on his Instagram account. Originally Posted by Stevebol
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There's a lot of good young musicians coming up across a variety of blues styles. Kingfish. Jontavious Willis. King Solomon Hicks. The list goes on.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
Hi, L,
Many musicians have "signature songs." No musician owns a song. Otherwise, why play "famous" standards from the past? Play live . . . Marinero
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The song isn't my point. Originally Posted by Marinero
My question is what is his contribution to what BB and later Gary did that makes him great? To my ears its just noodling with the occasional altered lick thrown in as a pretense to originality and cutting edge. I just don't feel any pain in his performance
That is my issue with the blues in 2020. There was this great music based of the hardship of days gone past that captured the spirit of the times.
Punk did something similar for the hopelessness of 1977
Doesn't really seem like there is a community to be found in struggle these days. Whether it is because no one is able to capture the hardship of the year that is 2020* in music and lyrics .. or because the spirit of times just is "If you struggle then you only have yourself to blame, you weak piece of shit"
*Tho is 2020 really that bad? .. I mean compared to some of the years before 1945?
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I like him a lot. There's a lot of stuff in his playing I hear, and not all of it comes from the blues directly...but he doesn't hide it and don a "musical costume," he lets it bubble through.
Eric Gales has that quality too.
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"I just don't feel any pain in his performance" Lobomov
Hi, L,
You don't need pain . . . you need musicianship and creativity. I think the "starving/tortured artist" concept is a cliche. Brilliant artists in all genres like Heifitz, Rubenstein, Segovia, Casals, Wagner(Classical Music), Thomas Mann, Tolstoy; Hemingway, TS Eliot(literature); Wynton Marsalis, Miles Davis, Louis Armstrong, Nat Cole(Jazz); Chagall, Picasso, Renoir(Art), etc. defy this misconception. And, although the Blues and Jazz has had a lion-share of personal tragedies, it was their native intelligence and creativity that allowed them to bloom in these artforms, not their environment. Also, Jazz and Blues were considered a lowly art form ,at one time, and drew many of its artists from the lower income/improvished communities. However, again, it was their musicianship, intelligence, and creativity(genetic) that ruled the day. Some food for thought.
Play live . . . Marinero
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Yeah Kingfish, keeping the blues alive.
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Don't know if this is true but, if so, Kingfish hasn't done badly for himself.
Play live . . . Marinero
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I can understand the argument being made here. There is something about that gut-wrenching place that many of the original Blues greats came from, and how they pour it into each note. I am moved deeply by that type of blues as well. But, I can still appreciate musicans who play these same songs well, yet lack that depth of pain that for me, makes the blues so special.
I guess it comes down to what a person is looking for in blues song. Can you be happy with some nice guitar tone, a good rhythm section, and some tasty playing, or do you need to get that spriritual healing that the old bluesmen delivered?
Depending on my mood I can do both. At least Christone Kingfish is an honest artist. Please let me know when you can find another BB King or Muddy Waters and I will buy their songs right away!
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Blues is the truth, happy or sad.
--BB King
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"There is something about that gut-wrenching place that many of the original Blues greats came from, and how they pour it into each note. I am moved deeply by that type of blues as well. But, I can still appreciate musicans who play these same songs well, yet lack that depth of pain . . . " AlsoRan
Hi, A,
For the sake of a musical argument, can a listener perceive or quantify "pain" in a performance when listening in a blindfold test . . . especially if one doesn't know the performer? If so, how?
Play live . . . Marinero
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chune!
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they out there but get no record deals or notoriety unless they doing rock/blues, shredding, high-octane modern/contemporary. Take Tim Lerch for instance, he can and did play some very authentic Chicago jump blues and there’s plenty others in clubs that are too authentic for the masses of modern sound$ Originally Posted by AlsoRan
now I hope this is ok with Tim and one of my favorite Jimmy Rodgers tunes
Last edited by BFrench; 11-27-2020 at 06:25 PM.
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then there's the gone and great Sam Myers and Anson...now Tim, Sam and Anson that's some blues, they knew how to let it breath
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That was very good Blues playing, indeed. I have seen Tim Lerch's Jazz videos and he is good as that as well. Thanks. Loved his lines and sweet vibrato - reminded me of Otis Rush in many ways. Originally Posted by BFrench
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Another great blues player. He lives and plays in my area. I plan to catch him one day. It is a bucket list item. Somehow, my schedules never lined up with his concert dates. Originally Posted by BFrench
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So much of the reality of the artist is in the listener's perceptions, whether real or imagined - and it can be the difference between being super popular or just another good unsung good player out there. Originally Posted by Marinero
To be honest, being from Texas I have heard so many stories about how hard things were in the US, especially after the turn of the century and into the Great Depression.
Many of the Blues artists I look up to were from that era and were on the bottom of society. There is something about that pain in their voices that is hard to replicate today by modern artists regardless of race. Plus, those guys had great voices, too, in addition to being great guitar players.
Just my thoughts.
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yep some really good players there...Sam and I went way back, I hung out with him quite a bit back in the early 70's, boy the stories I could tell...this one here you'd have to have been there...I took Sam to New Orleans when he had a job at Tipinias from where we were staying in Jackson Ms, On break standing outside this kid came up to Sam and said "Mr Myers I've been working on this lick you blow" so the kid pulls out a harp and blows a riff...Sam takes his harp and said "that's alright but does it go like that or like this" and proceeds to blow the *shi* out of the riff"... but like I said you'd had to have been there, it was so funny....Sam was legally blind and couldn't see nothing, I mean nothing but money and women, he saw those two things real good....oh and Sam started out as Howlin Wolf's drummer and damn what a drummer he was!
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This video is just about perfect Blues playing when it comes to Slow Blues. How about this one performance - talk about Slow blues guitar playing and gut-wrenching singing. Probably not the best vocals but still convincing to me. Originally Posted by AlsoRan
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oh my goodness, no offense meant but we on two different planets when it comes to the blues for I thoroughly hate that sort of shredding playing, same as about 5 seconds is all I could take of SRV and the reason I would never care to listen to what kingfish does, just ain't my thing but I've got ah plenty to listen to that is...
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Funny, I like his singing more than his guitar playing (I find that tone kind of grating, and the playing itself pretty generic), but ultimately it's a matter of taste. Originally Posted by AlsoRan
John
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"Many of the Blues artists I look up to were from that era and were on the bottom of society. There is something about that pain in their voices that is hard to replicate today by modern artists regardless of race." AlsoRan
Hi, AR,
I understand your sentiment, however, as a musician, I need to quantify things more than a person's background/race when it relates to musical performance since, today, in the case of the Blues, or Jazz, color is not a credential for performance creativity but rather talent and mastery of genre. So, once again, your opinion is based on unsupported prejudice rather than musical ability and would be difficult to prove today in my aforementioned blindfold test. I have no personal animus here but rather the need for clarity and honesty concerning musical performance and how we perceive artists. Play live . . . after Covid . . . Marinero
Check out these Blues Brothers. https://youtu.be/SeLddbrzsHk
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Ha! ha! Originally Posted by BFrench
It's alright to have your own taste! For me, I can get into Sam Myers and Anson (thanks for the great story on Sam!), I like that style the best - reminds me of Otis Rush.
I am also an 80's metal guy, so there are certain songs that they call "Blues" that can still get me going and can stir my soul in a different way. I guess this song was one of them. Gary Moore, Smokin' Joe Kubek (whom I did see live before he died) and Eric Clapton also come to mind. But, that's just my little world in a world of billions.
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You are correct about it being unsupported prejudice. I think taste in music is based on many personal prejudices (and I am not talking about racial prejudices only, but even prejudice on an artist style of dress or hairstyle) that people have. To support this, I would ask you to look at what people spend their money to hear. As you have so aptly indicated in some of your past threads, the music does not have to be good, it just has to be "what the people want." Originally Posted by Marinero
So if Prince Harry, who has arguably had everything handed to him, were to sing the Blues about being in a welfare line, it would not carry the validity that Albert King would bring to the song. And if he sounded really good and played a great guitar solo, it would still ring a little hollow with many, including myself. I guess its as much about performance as it is the musicianship. Part of performance is presentation and "apparent authenticity." Fakes, as I define the term, unless they are very good, normally don't last too long.
And I will end it with a spin on your wonderful trademark declaration: "Please somebody, Play Live! (so I can go and see and hear you, once COVID is finally done)!"
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Or some hardcore R@B . . . . Play live . . . M
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A buddy of mine who loves only R&B hates distortion, including the fuzz/overdrive on Walter's guitar. That let me know how certain people's ears can find distortion annoying, where I love the way it grinds and claws at you when it is done a certain way, especially on the screaming bends. Originally Posted by John A.
But my buddy would agree with you. Sweet distortion, like an old Isley Brother's guitar would probably be alright to him, but nothing that is too jagged of a sine wave.
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