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09-28-2024 05:51 AM
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How Keatsian
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Originally Posted by JimmyDunlop
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Originally Posted by JimmyDunlop
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Anyways I fixed it
I noticed that the singer used free singing anticipations contrary to the original one and the score. Now is synchronised better
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
its better now
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Originally Posted by JimmyDunlop
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^ If you want to be convincing you should study these physical movements. It is actually not too far from the whirling dervishes e.g. of the Mevlevi Sufi order in Turkey. It has to go around and around and around.
Last edited by Boss Man Zwiebelsohn; 09-28-2024 at 08:58 PM.
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Originally Posted by JimmyDunlop
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
But Hitler seems to have liked Franz Léhar and awarded him the Goethe-Medaille für Kunst und Wissenschaft (Goethe medal for arts and sciences) in 1940.
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
Yea it's got that 30's German vibe, no wonder Hitler dug it.
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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Austrian operetta?
After singing Fledermaus I’ve always had a soft spot for Johann Strauss. He knew what his thing was.
Don’t really know Lehar.
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
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No that song doesnt sound like cabarets from 30's or 20's. Its a sung march. A great composition by lehar.
The music from that film IS awful. I think music from those real cabarets where not as bad as the film but im not sure. Anyways viennese operetta music IS million of times better than that for sure
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I think I have heard the real cabarets music from that time and It IS not worthy. Music decadence
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
IIRC I was three times in my life in a musical theater, the first time was Engelbert Humperdinck's (the real Engelbert Humperdinck's) children's opera Hänsel and Gretel after a Grimm bros. fairytale, the second time was Verdi's Don Juan and the third time was the French operetta The tales of Hoffmann by Jacques Offenbach.
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
History test failed, that'll be an F.
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Cabaret is based on al successful 1951 play, I Am a Camera, by John van Druten, which was based on a successful 1939 novel, Goodbye to Berlin, by Christopher Isherwood. The success of the musical, as often happens, eclipsed the play and the novel. I read both while in high school (the '60's); I doubt if many people have read either in this century.
All three works were quite transparently anti-Nazi.
I fail to see how any music can be decadent, except when labelled so by those with a political ax to grind. Lyrics, perhaps, but music?
As for operetta, after Offenbach, Viennese operettas came to the fore – Strauss II, Lehár, Oscar Straus, among many others – followed by German (Kurt Weill wrote operettas) and Italian operettas. Puccini called his works operettas in three acts, and many Italian composers whose operas are performed world-wide also wrote operettas. I remember many operettas from my youth, performed in major opera houses: The Student Prince, Naughty Marietta, Merry Widow, Die Fledermaus, The Chocolate Soldier, Pantaloon, and others. Then, of course, there is the work of Gilbert and Sullivan, which still has passionate adherents, despite its many antiquated notions, to put it politely.Last edited by Ukena; 09-29-2024 at 04:22 PM.
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Originally Posted by Ukena
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Originally Posted by Ukena
oscar strauss not a relevant composer. Would be Strauss ,Lehar, Von SUppe, Kalman, Heuberger, Millocker .
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
Die Fledermaus and then The Merry Widow.
Golden era operetta: till the death of Johann Strauss in 1899 or 98.. Strauss, Suppe, Millocker
Silver Era: Lehar, Kalman. Most iconic: The MERRY Widow. But you have graffin mariza. an The Opera Ball by Heuberger. a really great one
I think most important operettas would vbe: Die fledermaus (strauss), a night in venice (strauss), bocaccio (suppe), Indigo (strauss) The gypsy baron (strauss) The merry widow.
its hard to me to find a fully great operetta from the beginning to the end. sometimes so so operettas has some great music but then low quality too..
It would be easier if I just make a selection of the greatest moments of each operetta instead of the full work.
source: Johann Strauss and Vienna. Cambridge Press
THtas the source to base my comment
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operetta is the most terrible underrated genre ever I think. This audio must be one of the best things ever made, but nobody knows it... surprisingly is from 1928, a very late one operetta by Lehar
The Tsarevich . Again the problem is that he cant keep this level through all this operetta.(Nobody could)
But this Aria I am sharing , I would place it in my top 5 of the msot impressive compositions I ever heard for sure. Way better than Italian opera ( never been a fan of it) I never liked italian opera overall, but thats a personal opinion, Perhaps only rossini
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