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    Our standard for Nov 2017 will be How High the Moon - by Morgan Lewis and Nancy Hamilton (1940).

    Background:
    Jazz Standards Songs and Instrumentals (How High the Moon)

    Contrafacts:
    Lennie Bird - Lennie Tristano
    Ornithology - Charlie Parker, Benny Harris
    Satellite - John Coltrane

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    Great solo on upright bass:

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris
    Even John can't get his name spelled right.

    Man, he sounds good here.

    This tune has always given me fits. I'm going to try a cold take today (and post it) and prove to myself I can play it Stand by tonight for some comedy.

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    First take this evening...well, first take without a barking dog or kids asking for a peek at the still remaining Halloween candy. I dunno. Comments and criticisms welcome!

    Last edited by mr. beaumont; 11-10-2017 at 10:36 AM.

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    A crack at the head and one chorus of aimless flailing. Feedback welcome, and as always, I'm deeply sorry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    ... Cmoments and criticisms ...
    Better than Grant Green. Very good overall. You would be welcomed in any Jazz Club gigging band.
    I've noticed some hesitation, occasionally, like waiting to hear, be sure it sounded good before continuing with the idea. On couple noodling spots I'd skip a string, or two, for wider interval.


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    Vladan -

    You know, Jeff's done some lovely stuff in his time. It's on his YouTube channel. He could easily make a really nice CD. Like this:



    Sorry, not How High The Moon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    First take this evening...well, first take without a barking dog or kids asking for a peek at the still remaining Halloween candy. I dunno. Cmoments and criticisms welcome!

    My "1 cent" coment,
    Jeff you are on good way to play gigs with real jazz musicians.
    I think this will be a good expieriece for you...I am still learning from playing live gigs.
    Jazzingly
    Kris
    ps.
    I like your sound very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1
    Crap, complete crap.

    but really I think it might be CD time. I'd buy it. You've got the touch, know what I mean? Beard's coming on nicely too :-)
    Well thank you. Someday, perhaps, even if it's just little pretty solo things...
    The beard ebbs and flows, but it's "no-shave November" here, so it'll get a little "extra" this month.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vladan
    Better than Grant Green. Very good overall. You would be welcomed in any Jazz Club gigging band.
    I've noticed some hesitation, occasionally, like waiting to hear, be sure it sounded good before continuing with the idea. On couple noodling spots I'd skip a string, or two, for wider interval.


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    Better than Grant? Get outta here! (love me some some GG) But thank you, and thanks for actually listening and noticing some stuff.

    Hesitation? Definitely. I was really trying to "hear" this solo and not play licks...but I hadda wait for my ears to catch up in a few spots! Noodling? You betcha...consciously thinking about stuff like string skipping is probably a good idea--when I get into things, my inner Jerry Garcia comes out...I don't think I'll ever get rid of that completely--he's the only guitar player I ever tried to sound like, even though that was 20-odd years ago that I did.

    Quote Originally Posted by kris
    My "1 cent" coment,
    Jeff you are on good way to play gigs with real jazz musicians.
    I think this will be a good expieriece for you...I am still learning from playing live gigs.
    Jazzingly
    Kris
    ps.
    I like your sound very much.
    Thanks Kris. I have gigged a lot...but not "real" jazz. Cocktail stuff. And solo gigs...but is that jazz? I don't really think so. And I've been on a long break, trying to get my shit together musically, and being a dad...I'd love to play with real jazz musicians...Chicago's a tough scene--guitar players are a dime a dozen, and we have some incredible ones here in town. There's very little middle ground with jazz musicians here, they either suck and don't really play jazz, or they're so damn good an amateur like me doesn't stand a chance. I keep at it though

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    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot
    (Mostly) three-fingered - sounding good.

    Interestingly, while I adopted the three finger left hand style out of laziness as a teenager, most of the jazz players I listened to and stole the most from were/are also 3 finger players, a fact I didn't realize until recently.

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    Hi, here's my attempt. Painful tune to go through and somehow I kept losing it after one chorus so here's the head and one chorus. Still lots to work on and I appreciate all feedback. I would've liked to play it a little slower but I wasn't really able to make the head sound nice at a slower tempo.


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    After hearing all the other takes on the thread, I feel a little embarrassed posting mine, but what the hell. One thing I immediately noticed is how good everybody's time is compared to mine. Really nice playing from everybody. Excited to join in next month too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pushkar000
    Hi, here's my attempt. Painful tune to go through and somehow I kept losing it after one chorus so here's the head and one chorus. Still lots to work on and I appreciate all feedback. I would've liked to play it a little slower but I wasn't really able to make the head sound nice at a slower tempo.

    nice!
    interesting lines with good time!
    Best
    Kris

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Interestingly, while I adopted the three finger left hand style out of laziness as a teenager, most of the jazz players I listened to and stole the most from were/are also 3 finger players, a fact I didn't realize until recently.
    Sounds like 'jazz' on a guitar to me (rather than 'guitar jazz').

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

    This tune has always given me fits.
    Me too , nice take by the way Mr B ! ,
    I think I get the two B sections mixed up
    and lose the form in my head ....

    Gotta keep the tune going in my head I guess

    I like how you play at the 5th fret in G
    (or the 3rd fret in F ....)
    I realised I'm quite weak in that position , uncomfortable there , I guess its
    the D shape of CAGED

    Gonna shed that some more tonight
    Thanks for the inspiration man

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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    Me too , nice take by the way Mr B ! ,
    I think I get the two B sections mixed up
    and lose the form in my head ....

    Gotta keep the tune going in my head I guess

    I like how you play at the 5th fret in G
    (or the 3rd fret in F ....)
    I realised I'm quite weak in that position , uncomfortable there , I guess its
    the D shape of CAGED

    Gonna shed that some more tonight
    Thanks for the inspiration man
    Thanks man, thanks everybody for the nice comments and constructive stuff. I'm clearing some listening time tonight to return the favor.

    And yes, it's the two "endings," when I get to into things it's easy for me to forget where I am...It's funny, I spend a lot of time trying to "feel" tunes in larger movements, but this one benefits from going a little smaller, 2 to 4 bar chunks for me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris
    nice!
    interesting lines with good time!
    Best
    Kris
    Thank you! Its encouraging that you say my time was good because comparing my take to yours and others here, I feel like I have too many slip-ups - still a long way to go. Well, back to the shed for now...

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    Improvised:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu
    A crack at the head and one chorus of aimless flailing. Feedback welcome, and as always, I'm deeply sorry.

    i like this, man...real thought given to phrasing, and great tone.

    Quote Originally Posted by pushkar000
    Hi, here's my attempt. Painful tune to go through and somehow I kept losing it after one chorus so here's the head and one chorus. Still lots to work on and I appreciate all feedback. I would've liked to play it a little slower but I wasn't really able to make the head sound nice at a slower tempo.

    i second kris, I think your time sounds pretty damn good. Good lines, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    This is easily one of my favorite of your posts....vibe reminds me of how dawg or tony rice's groups tackle a standard. Sounds great.
    Thanks. TR did the solo on Emmylou Harris' version. I can't say it's a favorite of mine though. It's not quite 'jazz' - but maybe mine isn't either. I don't really know. What is a 'real' jazz version apart from chord melody?

    Sonny Rollins did his one and there's a guitar solo by Barney Kessell which might qualify...


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    By the way, I noticed the melody for “Call Me” fits over the first 9 bars of “How High the Moon”. Try playing HHTM over Lenny Breau’s Call Me and you’ll see what I mean. Of course the phrasing is completely different and it falls apart later where the harmony takes a different path. Plus CM has a bridge that HHTM lacks. It’s a brain bender to try to play one melody while hearing the other.
    Last edited by KirkP; 11-13-2017 at 01:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pushkar000
    Hi, here's my attempt. Painful tune to go through and somehow I kept losing it after one chorus so here's the head and one chorus. Still lots to work on and I appreciate all feedback. I would've liked to play it a little slower but I wasn't really able to make the head sound nice at a slower tempo.

    Nice job mate, we are all our own worse critics which is exactly how it should be.

    If I was going to give any advice re time - and I give it only because this is what I notice in my own playing and want to work on on my own stuff - it would be try playing the melody through while counting the beat either in 4/4 or 2/2. I find that really helps me get a feel of exactly where the rhythm I'm playing sits with reference to the beat.

    It would help you lock in some of those melody syncopations just a little tighter.

    Be warned - though it sounds simple, it is harder to this than it sounds.

    But I think you have a really nice feel naturally....


    Re rhythmic phrasing and this is more a suggestion on something to stimulate creativity than feedback per se - have a go at this exercise. Try starting each phrase on the next 8th of the bar. So first phrase starts on 1, next phrase on 1+, next on 2 and so on until you are back to one. Hard to do, especially at this tempo.

    I also like the Barry Harris exercise where you have this line starting on 1 and ending on 1

    1 6 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
    And you take one note away while keeping the phrase end in the same place
    6 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
    7 6 5 4 3 2 1
    6 5 4 3 2 1
    etc

    (You can do this with any phrase. So it's a good way to learn where all the beats and upbeats are and allows you to get more out of lines you already play.)
    Last edited by christianm77; 11-12-2017 at 07:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu
    A crack at the head and one chorus of aimless flailing. Feedback welcome, and as always, I'm deeply sorry.

    Good grief what is it with people apologising for their really nice playing haha?

    'Never apologise for your playing' Duncan Lamont

    That's my feedback!

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    Thanks christian and mr. b for your comments! Christian, I find myself appreciating your prescence here a lot recently, what with the tea for two recording and now these time exercises! (christian put up a killer take of tea for two, you can find it in the songs section)

    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
    You are unrelenting lately with comments on others playing. The truth is that you simply don't have good enough time to comment so much on other player's time, especially in direct CONTRADICTION to players who are far superior to either of us. You are apparently inferring the wrong message from others' graciousness and restraint regarding your own playing posts.
    I appreciate ragman's comment and I try to give value to all feedback I receive. I enjoyed his recordings! I'm really glad that some of the super skilled folks had good things to say about my recording, but I'm quite sure they know - as do I - that there are things to improve there! But in their case, I'm inclined to think the best way to learn from them is to just listen to their recordings, try to stuff as much as you can in your pockets and run away!

    @ragman - when the tempo drops a little, I do find myself instantly feeling a lot more comfortable, and at first, yes, I was considering putting up a slower take. But I think that's not the approach I should be taking. I've resolved to continue hacking away at this tempo until I nail it. And conversely, I need to work on playing the head nicely at a slower tempo - which, try as I might, I wasn't able to do for some reason.

    Here's my version of the famous Parker parable - I went to a jam a year ago, asked for There Will Never Be Another You and they said ok. Now I was comfortable playing it at a medium tempo. But these guys just went in like Clifford Brown was on the bandstand! And there I was, a sitting duck caught in the crossfire. To this day, it was one of the most embarrassing things that I have experienced. Nobody threw a cymbal at me(I could swear the drummer was considering it!), but everybody on the stand and sitting at the bar knew I had messed it up bigtime. So one of the things I resolved to do was work on my technique and facility at all tempos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pushkar000
    @ragman - when the tempo drops a little, I do find myself instantly feeling a lot more comfortable, and at first, yes, I was considering putting up a slower take. But I think that's not the approach I should be taking. I've resolved to continue hacking away at this tempo until I nail it. And conversely, I need to work on playing the head nicely at a slower tempo - which, try as I might, I wasn't able to do for some reason.
    Thanks. Playing very fast and playing very slow are both tricky and I admire your determination. Actually quite a few artists have recorded How High at a medium pace and it was a song originally, of course. But I'm sure you know all that. But all the best anyway, I'm certainly no boy racer myself :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1
    Thanks. Playing very fast and playing very slow are both tricky and I admire your determination. Actually quite a few artists have recorded How High at a medium pace and it was a song originally, of course. But I'm sure you know all that. But all the best anyway, I'm certainly no boy racer myself :-)
    I particularly like the medium/slow version on Chet Baker's "Chet" album.

    This is one of those tunes that works at a variety of tempos though...the lyrics allow for it too...it can be wistful or bubbling with the energy of love returned (if you assume that's what happens in the end). Not a lot of tunes allow for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    I particularly like the medium/slow version on Chet Baker's "Chet" album.

    This is one of those tunes that works at a variety of tempos though...the lyrics allow for it too...it can be wistful or bubbling with the energy of love returned (if you assume that's what happens in the end). Not a lot of tunes allow for that.
    What did you think of the Sonny Rollins/Barney Kessell one (once it gets off the ground!)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1
    What did you think of the Sonny Rollins/Barney Kessell one (once it gets off the ground!)?
    Excellent, I'm admittedly a biased fan--I'll listen to anything Rollins plays...such a giant. A colossus, even.

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    Thanks for the help Mr. B. I think I have it now.

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    There it is! Sounding good. I like how you do the melidy, and how you go after some motifs/development in the solo.

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    There is a fast and optimistic version:

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    SO much serious stuff happening here, wow, that is the song I love really.

    Before making my own version I did my tribute to the Great Figures of Jazz. Some flaws in playing as well as in the score. Anyway I can share pdf with everyone interested. C&C welcome.

    PS: This one chorus taught me a lot about triplet subdivisions if you know what I mean

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    Ha! I'm posting one mid-month for a change (rather than being late)!

    http://www.noiseinthebasement.com/mp...0Moon%2000.mp3



    I think Gramps beat me to the chordal interpretation of the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster
    Ha! I'm posting one mid-month for a change (rather than being late)!

    http://www.noiseinthebasement.com/mp...0Moon%2000.mp3



    I think Gramps beat me to the chordal interpretation of the head.
    Nice playing and a very good quality recording.
    Guitar sounds very clear and jazzy warm.Nice to hear...
    Best
    Kris
    have you more takes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster
    Ha! I'm posting one mid-month for a change (rather than being late)!
    ... the chordal interpretation of the head.
    That chordal part is real piece of beauty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster
    Ha! I'm posting one mid-month for a change (rather than being late)!

    http://www.noiseinthebasement.com/mp...0Moon%2000.mp3



    I think Gramps beat me to the chordal interpretation of the head.
    Gramps may have played the CM head but not with that harmonic richness. Great job.

    Edit:I just listened 4 or 5 more times. Really nice.
    Last edited by Gramps; 11-18-2017 at 07:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster
    Ha! I'm posting one mid-month for a change (rather than being late)!

    http://www.noiseinthebasement.com/mp...0Moon%2000.mp3
    Love the chordal intro M-ster! Great swing, I doubt now if I should post my version but.... never mind.
    It's a pity you decided to continue with those lame midi sounds



    So here it goes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomcat
    Love the chordal intro M-ster! Great swing, I doubt now if I should post my version but.... never mind.
    It's a pity you decided to continue with those lame midi sounds



    So here it goes:
    Sounds OK and nice playing.Comping for my taste is a very simple...sugest more chord voicing,more walking bass with chords.
    kris
    Ps.
    Tomcat,
    I sugest to you made studio recording for free with not so "lame midi sounds"...I mean recordings with bass and drums.
    Last edited by kris; 11-20-2017 at 04:21 AM.

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    As Usual, M-Ster, your version reflects your love of jazz guitar and is always very tasty and a treat for my old ears.

    wiz (Howie).

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard3739
    As Usual, M-Ster, your version reflects your love of jazz guitar and is always very tasty and a treat for my old ears.

    wiz (Howie).
    Thanks, Howie, you're too kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster
    Ha! I'm posting one mid-month for a change (rather than being late)!

    http://www.noiseinthebasement.com/mp...0Moon%2000.mp3



    I think Gramps beat me to the chordal interpretation of the head.
    Great playing as always, thanks!

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    Is it too soon for one of the contrafacts? This is Lennie Bird:

    http://www.noiseinthebasement.com/mp...0Bird%2000.mp3

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster
    Is it too soon for one of the contrafacts? This is Lennie Bird:

    http://www.noiseinthebasement.com/mp...0Bird%2000.mp3
    I can only assume the missing letters in your account name are "o" and "n". This one will take me a bit longer to digest. Thanks for posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramps
    I can only assume the missing letters in your account name are "o" and "n". This one will take me a bit longer to digest. Thanks for posting.
    Ha! You're much too kind, and in no way is that anywhere near true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kris
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    Tomcat,
    I sugest to you made studio recording for free with not so "lame midi sounds"...I mean recordings with bass and drums.
    I prefer to use backing tracks or live loops because it does not kill "live feel" as much as midi parts. You can make also a great midi parts but it takes hell of wotk and time. And yes, today there are so many rehearsal rooms for hours, some with really good acoustics. It's not free but in my area Wroclaw, Poland you can rent at 8EUR/h and make a nice recording

    It struck my ears - a huge contrast between beautiful, truly jazz guitar sound and simple midi sounds coming in later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomcat
    I prefer to use backing tracks or live loops because it does not kill "live feel" as much as midi parts. You can make also a great midi parts but it takes hell of wotk and time. And yes, today there are so many rehearsal rooms for hours, some with really good acoustics. It's not free but in my area Wroclaw, Poland you can rent at 8EUR/h and make a nice recording

    It struck my ears - a huge contrast between beautiful, truly jazz guitar sound and simple midi sounds coming in later.
    Czesc Tomek,
    I suggest all of us to play with reall jazz musicians.It is the best way to present our work,feel and sound but I know also reality...
    This thread is rather funny place that make happy of us and made motivation for the future.
    Jazzingly Yours
    Kris

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    Not everyone here seems to have the opportunity to play with other jazz players...