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  1. #51

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladan
    Thank you Jeff. I liked yor version, too. Seems you have defined "Own Style v. 2.1.0.1", one should never stop searching, but some things are better if man settle down.
    I've been very "folky" lately...too much acoustic guitar and open strings, maybe

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  3. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1
    Would that be sheep?

    (Just my silly joke)
    Ah, good that it's silly, because I don't get it. I mean, I can imagine couple of things, but don't belive you meant any of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladan
    Ah, good that it's silly, because I don't get it. I mean, I can imagine couple of things, but don't belive you meant any of those.
    Sorry! You wrote background as baa, which is the sound sheep make... I just thought of lots of sheep making background noise when you were recording... I didn't mean your music sounded like sheep!

    it probably wasn't that funny :-)
    Last edited by ragman1; 03-12-2017 at 01:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    I've been very "folky" lately...
    I thought that but I don't think it matters. It's a mood thing really...

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    I found this. Quite nice. The pianist is Freddie Johnson


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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1
    I don't see that kind of notation as a set-in-stone chart, it's just a guide. You play it how you feel. No one sings or plays it strict quarter-notes, it would be ghastly!
    IMHO, for those of you who don't enjoy using the Real Book charts, you should remember that most musicians consider those charts are fake book charts and should normally be used as reference material. You would do to better to listen to a version you really like, analyze what your ear tells about the tune and make your own version of the song based on what you hear.

    wiz

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    Coleman Hawkins and Django did a nice version together (and Stephane Grappelli played the piano).

    See where you're going wrong guys, it should be a foxtrot!


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    Stephane Grappelli's a nice piano player!

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    Spent two weeks hangin with Coltrane on this. Has been a beautiful experience but I can't get past the 30 second mark. Going to visit Wynton Marsalis tonight to hear if I can get this head down and post something! Might drop by Coleman Hawkins or Lester Young on the way man the month is halfway over.

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    I often find the "Anthologie des Grilles de Jazz" comes closest to the way I hear the harmony on many standards. That seems to be the case for Stardust. Here's an excerpt, in Db. I'll probably load these changes in iReal, then tweak them to make them my own (while respecting the original melody). Once they're in iReal, transposing to any key is trivially easy. I have a bit more work ahead before I can post a recording.

    Note that B9 without the root is Gbm6, so you can play either in bars 3, 4 & 26 of the chorus.
    Last edited by KirkP; 03-18-2017 at 01:45 PM.

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    Well, inspired by a lot of thumbing these days...here's a Wes inspired-via Emily take on our tune.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KirkP
    I often find the "Anthologie des Grilles de Jazz" comes closest to the way I hear the harmony on many standards. That seems to be the case for Stardust. Here's an excerpt, in Db. I'll probably load these changes in iReal, then tweak them to make them my own (while respecting the original melody). Once they're in iReal, transposing to any key is trivially easy. I have a bit more work ahead before I can post a recording.

    Note that B9 without the root is Gbm6, so you can play either in bars 3, 4 & 26 of the chorus.
    Don't you think the 7M is confusing? Should it be M7?

  15. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1
    Don't you think the 7M is confusing? Should it be M7?
    Brazilians seem to do this as well.

  16. #65

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    Brazilians seem to do this as well.
    Syntax as style.

  17. #66

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1
    Don't you think the 7M is confusing? Should it be M7?
    Ugh, yes, I HATE that.

    I like the grilles "blocks" though, makes tunes very easy to subdivide into 4 and 8 bar phrases visually. Fun for situations where im jamming on tunes you don't really know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Ugh, yes, I HATE that.
    Sure - but is 7M actually confusing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot
    Sure - but is 7M actually confusing?
    Not a huge deal in context, in a functional tune, but I'm generally of the delta and minus school of chart writing. Handwritten M''s and m''s don't make anything easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Not a huge deal in context, in a functional tune, but I'm generally of the delta and minus school of chart writing. Handwritten M''s and m''s don't make anything easier.
    I agree.

    For many years, I made a point of never, ever using a chord chart or printed lyrics - and I have a friend here whom I wouldn't gig with for precisely this 'crutch'. As she's a friend, and she hasn't gigged since having here second child, she gets a 'pass' from me on her return next month.

    But I regret extending that pass to players who - despite having often played the same old standards in the same old keys from the same chord charts - are lost without them.

    Written arrangements obviously warrant reading - but I believe even these ought to be memorised PDQ (unless the player simply has too many musical projects on the go for this to be a reasonable proposition).

    If 'we are what we repeatedly do', symbols like 'M7' (sic) - a sign, perhaps, of inevitable first-language interference in the context of cross-cultural exchange and cooperation - are benign.

    Not so the chord charts themselves - which I see as an obstacle to the above, and to the proliferation of which I have contributed. No more.... no más... (Cue humorous song)
    Last edited by destinytot; 03-19-2017 at 11:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Not a huge deal in context, in a functional tune, but I'm generally of the delta and minus school of chart writing. Handwritten M''s and m''s don't make anything easier.
    When I was a kid I was told minus was for flat five (+ for #5), so there it is, confusion. I'm for "deta", or "Maj" and minor is "m". Majors in capitals, minrs in lower case don't hurt.

    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot
    If 'we are what we repeatedly do', symbols like 'M7' (sic) - a sign, perhaps, of inevitable first-language interference in the context of cross-cultural exchange and cooperation - are benign.
    After all these years, whenever I see Bb and B I have to translatethem to B & H before I can play them.

  22. #71

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    Quote Originally Posted by destinytot
    Sure - but is 7M actually confusing?
    On a handwritten grid C7M for C major 7th is less likely to be confused with Cm7 for C minor 7th.

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    Man this song is too much for me. I learnt some Lester, some Trane, some Clifford and Wynton. I learnt at a pretty deep level with so much intense listening that their expression and tone are so wonderful. I also learnt I need to get back to being me mor, writing and playing stuff not so beyond my ability. Has been an intense 3 weeks those guys above are so amazing, the feel and original ideas they bring to the melody every note has a wow factor.

    Hats off to you guys that are getting something down and putting it out there. Maybe I missed the boat as month 1 and 2 were more achievable and next month I will be without guitar for two weeks, hoping in May I can at least get the head down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gggomez
    Man this song is too much for me.
    Hey, no, it's not!

    Listen to it as a song, okay? The lyrics break it up into phrases and tell you where the break-points are - and you just connect the phrases. That's all you have to do.



    Maybe the hardest bit (from the score) are the run-downs that begin with a eighth-note rest because the notes don't hit the chord tones the way you'd expect -

    March 2017 - Star Dust-1-jpg
    March 2017 - Star Dust-2-jpg


    so ignore it and just play something you can manage. Really. It doesn't matter! It's only a bit of fun!

    (edit)

    Hell, if Bob Dylan can do it so can you! :-)
    Last edited by ragman1; 03-21-2017 at 09:17 AM.

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    Funny coincidence, i just did this the other day without even realizing it was this month's tune here!
    Stardust 2017

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    dogletnoir -

    That was good, nice and dreamy... the hardest bit is playing the tune, the soloing's easy, just follow the chords. Tell gggomez!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gggomez
    Man this song is too much for me. I learnt some Lester, some Trane, some Clifford and Wynton. I learnt at a pretty deep level with so much intense listening that their expression and tone are so wonderful. I also learnt I need to get back to being me mor, writing and playing stuff not so beyond my ability. Has been an intense 3 weeks those guys above are so amazing, the feel and original ideas they bring to the melody every note has a wow factor.

    Hats off to you guys that are getting something down and putting it out there. Maybe I missed the boat as month 1 and 2 were more achievable and next month I will be without guitar for two weeks, hoping in May I can at least get the head down.


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    I think that probably the most difficult aspect of this tune is the phrasing, especially the disparity between any kind of chart and recorded versions. It has a lot of space and is hard to nail down.

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    This is my input for March. The backing track is a "realtracks" jazz piano Trio from BIAB. This version includes the verse and three choruses. I took a few liberties with the verse and the first chorus and the rest is improvised. As usual for me, I did this one by ear. I tried to stick to a ballad approach and the song was difficult for me to arrange. I have played it many times for my wife while she was still able to perform but not for the past 2 years. This song is one of our favorite ballads.

    wiz (Howie)

    https://app.box.com/s/vade1fpas6e2730fc9ck4b005wvpamcy

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    Still "living" with this tune, still loving it.

    Really just needed to learn the words and sing it for me to internalize it, now it seems completely logical.

    I also think, after listening to many versions, there's a lot of leeway in the melody. There's parts you gotta play right, and others that are very open to interpretation. Another reason this tune is so cool.

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    I'm listening to a lot of versions of this great tune, and really enjoying it.

    Folks may be interested in the 1-hour radio biopic of Carmichael, including a lot of of material about Stardust. (That mostly starts around 18:00).
    Hoagy Carmichael: 'Stardust Melodies' : NPR

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    Quote Originally Posted by dingusmingus
    I'm listening to a lot of versions of this great tune, and really enjoying it.

    Folks may be interested in the 1-hour radio biopic of Carmichael, including a lot of of material about Stardust. (That mostly starts around 18:00).
    Hoagy Carmichael: 'Stardust Melodies' : NPR
    Wonderful! Thank you for that.

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    So here is a trivia question about Hoagy, (I will be very impressed if anyone get's this without Google): What Television Show was Hoagy a regular on? Hint: it was filmed in black and white, and one of the Co-Stars went on to play a Dr. in another show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzthebee
    Not sure about the show you're referring to, but he was on The Flintstones, as 'Stoney Carmichael'.
    He was the Cook on Laramie when it first came out, Co-Staring Robert Fuller, who later became a Dr. on "Emergency" How about that!

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    Here is my take:



    This was fun, good choice.

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    Just an FYI

    Jim Campilongo has a Stardust chord melody lesson on his site. It is comprised of several audio files and a Ted Greene style chord grid. Though Jim's sheet(s) have his own unique nomenclature. He walks you through the chord melody chord by chord then the melody itself and finally some ideas for improvising over the changes. I bought the lesson before this thread and am enjoying it. Perhaps a little pricey though at $30.
    Last edited by alltunes; 04-04-2017 at 10:00 AM.

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    I've decided I want to get together some recordings, so I'll be participating in this fine institution. (I'm a little late to this one!)

    No improv on this one, just a simple chord melody of the tune. Thanks all!

    Last edited by dingusmingus; 04-04-2017 at 09:45 PM.

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    "The hurrier I go, the behinder I get ..."

    Here's my March track - only a month late!

    http://www.noiseinthebasement.com/mp...0Dust%2000.mp3

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster
    "The hurrier I go, the behinder I get ..."

    Here's my March track - only a month late!

    http://www.noiseinthebasement.com/mp...0Dust%2000.mp3
    Excellent m-ster, really enjoyed that, very nice solo too.

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    Luvly. Nice backing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzthebee
    Yes. Was it inspired by the George Benson version?
    Yes, some of the phrasing in the verse and some of the solo section changes, in particular.

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    Hey M-Ster

    You are not the only one that is one month behind.

    Star dust

    This song was deceptively tricky but I am glad I learned it

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    Hey M-ster, This one was definitely worth the wait. As usual, this is a beautiful version of a great old standard. Good groove, great tone, wonderful flowing lines, good choice of voicings and so nice to listen to. I had to listen to it several times to fully appreciate the sounds. BTW, I am also late with a version of "Willow".

    wiz (Howie)
    Last edited by wizard3739; 04-30-2017 at 11:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard3739
    Hey M-ster, This one was definitely worth the wait. As usual, this is a beautiful version of a great old standard. Good groove, great tone, wonderful flowing lines, good choice of voicings and so nice to listen to. I had to listen to it several times to fully appreciate the sounds. BTW, I am also late with a version of "Willow".

    wiz (Howie)
    Thanks, Howie. (Apparently we need to get it together, with respect to our tardiness! )

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    OK it's horrendously late, but it took so much effort to learn this tune (and do a video) that I'm going to post it anyway. Incidentally I found the Barry Harris sixth/diminished chord moves came in very useful on this one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    OK it's horrendously late, but it took so much effort to learn this tune (and do a video) that I'm going to post it anyway. Incidentally I found the Barry Harris sixth/diminished chord moves came in very useful on this one.

    Great version graham. Really branching out more with the solo guitar with this one. Great tone and playing as always. Loved the intro-quote in you're ending. Congrats.

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    Thanks Matt! Yes I'm doing a lot more solo stuff now, I'm really enjoying it. I like the 'arranging' aspect. Using the intro again seemed like a nice way to put an ending on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    OK it's horrendously late, but it took so much effort to learn this tune (and do a video) that I'm going to post it anyway. Incidentally I found the Barry Harris sixth/diminished chord moves came in very useful on this one.
    Nice, Graham! Well done. Like your tone, as always, and I enjoyed the added ending.

    (Ha! And I see I'm making the same comments that Matt made ... )