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Originally Posted by ragman1
1) not understanding what rhythms we are trying to play - not hearing them in detail
2) psychological pressures, trying to hard, feeling nervous
3) not knowing the music
4) technical problems
5) the instrument dominating our concerns rather than being the conduit through which music passes
All of these things can be worked on. In any case the playing with yourself (fnarr fnarr) exercise is a very interesting and humbling one with particular reference to melodies I find, at least with me. Phrasing syncopations etc, not dropping or adding in time, surprisingly hard.
I have to really focus on feeling the beat all the way through melodies and knowing exactly where I am placing each note with reference to a felt pulse. Fantastic practice. Most guitarists are pretty weak on melodies, even otherwise high level guys.
Single note lines in eighths are not so bad. Quite easy in fact.
Single note lines with gaps of a bar or more? That's a lot of fun.
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11-22-2016 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by rcpj
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Originally Posted by docdosco
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Originally Posted by christianm77
I agree totally with your list. Doubtless most of that applied to this bloke too as well as his natural nervous tendency. The answer's probably all these things together.
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Single note lines in eighths are not so bad. Quite easy in fact.
Single note lines with gaps of a bar or more? That's a lot of fun.Last edited by ragman1; 11-22-2016 at 01:06 PM.
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Here's a very quick take I did today.
Paul
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Man, Paul, liking you on the Tele!
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Originally Posted by destinytot
Last edited by KirkP; 11-23-2016 at 12:36 AM.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
This exercise I learned from Lage Lund btw, I didn't invent it and I'm sure he got it somewhere else.
Re: time, often people who rely too much on the click have flakey time away from it. Playing with a click on 2 and 4, say, is a crutch if you do it all the time.
He's probably speeding up because he is unused to having to play with his internal pulse and is 'trying' to play in time. As you say he is nervy. It's quite possible to be completely neurotic about your time and it won't help...
You need to mix it up and find intelligent ways to practice with and without a click IMO. But time/feel is another whole discussion.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Goes 1 and 2 I sped up, playing it by ear. 3 was nearly there. 4 was good but only because I was counting. Which, of course, is death to music.
But does it really matter? If I was playing solo who would notice? And if I wasn't, no problem.
But I never play precisely anyway. Nature has no straight lines:-)
PS. Did you know why people found Julie Andrew's voice so irritating? Because she had perfect pitch...Last edited by ragman1; 11-22-2016 at 08:00 PM.
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Originally Posted by unknownguitarplayer
I think we both happen to have Math degrees, but he stuck with it and I went into engineering.
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Originally Posted by KirkP
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Originally Posted by unknownguitarplayer
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Much more fun and creative. But also pretty revealing.
It's not about metronomic time actually. The metronome can be useful as a tool of diagnosis and there are some fun things you can do with it, but the thing I love about this exercise is it teaches you about human time, how you feel as a player, which is the kind of time we actually use when playing music.
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Just picked up your tuition vids on YouTube, Gypsy and Swing, Line cliches etc. Not bad.
Did you know there was a sort of bass version of the m, m/maj7, m7, m6 thing?
Eg, in Dm, you'd play Dm (x5776x), Db+ (x4322x), F/C (x3321x), Bm7b5 (x2323x).
It's really useful if you want the right sound without it interfering too much with a treble melody.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Originally Posted by ragman1
As a result of this its fun to play Db whole tone over Dm/C# for example. You can do it over any minor actually...Last edited by christianm77; 11-23-2016 at 10:20 AM.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by christianm77
As a result of this its fun to play Db whole tone over Dm/C# for example. You can do it over any minor actually...Last edited by ragman1; 11-25-2016 at 05:30 PM.
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I sometimes immerse myself in a tune by streaming a bunch of versions while doing chores or winding down for sleep. I feel this helps me internalize the tune and helps me form my own interpretation.
Amazon has a nice collection of 27 classic versions of ATTYA from straight ballads to bebop. Streaming is free for Amazon Prime subscribers. The mo3s can be purchased for about $6. I don't find it on CD or through other venders.
All the Things You Are (27 Versions) at AmazonLast edited by KirkP; 11-23-2016 at 11:50 AM.
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Originally Posted by KirkP
I too like to listen to many versions of a song over and over before I try to learn it. Not always easy to set up, especially since I don't necessarily want to buy multiple versions of a time. I usually rely on YouTube.
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I like the way the artists are sedately listed: C.Baker, C.Mingus, W. Montgomery, D. Reinhardt... :-)
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Originally Posted by rlrhett
There's at least one misnamed tune. Munk's track is actually "Round Midnight".
Enter the following in Google (with the quotes) and you'll find collections of a few other tunes:
Amazon "versions performed by"
I found collections of Autumn Leaves, Autumn in New York, Stella, Aint Misbehavin, Cherokee, Mood Indigo.Last edited by KirkP; 11-23-2016 at 02:02 PM.
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Jimmy Gourley. It's in the notes, no pun intended, on YouTube. The picture goes funny by itself.
Last edited by ragman1; 11-23-2016 at 01:32 PM.
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Originally Posted by KirkP
Originally Posted by unknownguitarplayer
I'll put up one more:
SoundClick artist: Paul Kirk - page with MP3 music downloads
again, my playing is sloppy and the sound quality awful, so I don't know how long I'll leave this up. But I've played a few gigs recently with the vibes/bass/guitar line-up, which I love: the vibes and guitar mesh really well. I'll have to dig out my old Red Norvo vinyls and give them another listen.
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Originally Posted by pkirk
Grant Green, What is This Thing
Today, 01:59 PM in Ear Training, Transcribing & Reading