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    I would like to propose that, rather than accepting and voting on nominees each month, we instead adopt a list of classic, must-know standards and simply work our way down the list.

    Something like the jazzstandards list of the top 1,000 standards would be my suggestion:
    Jazz Standards Songs and Instrumentals Contents

    We could skip over the ones we've already done, if that's the consensus.

    Does that work for anyone? Do you have a preferred list to offer up? Feel free to discuss ...
    Last edited by M-ster; 11-20-2016 at 03:10 PM.

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    Not a bad idea. We might just go right through the Real Book or iReal or something...I think the part that was a LOT of work for Howie was the chart and backing track. Most folks should be able to access this stuff without a member needing to go through all of that trouble.
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    I think Its a good idea maybe there could be a choice of two songs just in case anybody hates one of them!

    Not sure everybody works from the same real book or even how many to them there are, ireal I have no experience of although I think I have the trial version installed somewhere but both are possibilities.

    Backing tracks were always a problem for me I could never download Howie's tracks for whatever reason so sometimes had to purchase them online.

    Just thinking and typing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    ... I think the part that was a LOT of work for Howie was the chart and backing track. Most folks should be able to access this stuff without a member needing to go through all of that trouble.
    True, and I believe that most of the regular contributors did not make use of Howie's backing tracks, anyway. The tracks may have provided practice material, but I don't think many posters used them in their posted contributions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trevorS View Post
    I think Its a good idea maybe there could be a choice of two songs just in case anybody hates one of them! ...
    If we worked from a published list, participants could get a head-start on the next month's tune, if they hate the current month's tune.

    Regarding Real Book -- I kind of favor a list of top standards, just because the Real Book is not necessarily an accumulation of the great American songbook tunes. Particularly the one I'm familiar with, which tends to favor the local Berklee icons of the era (i.e., Steve Swallow, Pat Metheny, Gary Burton). Nothing shabby about their compositions, of course -- I'm just personally more interested in filling in my knowledge of the classics.

    But I can roll with the group consensus.

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    This is a great idea, and I second M-ster's idea of working from a ranked list of top standards. I don't even think we need to skip over ones we've already done, unless it was very recently. And of course the lead sheets for these things are just a google away.

    I think that part of the lack of participation is that so many of the songs have been quite obscure... not really standard standards. Not Howie's fault of course... the polls were made up of suggestions from forum members. But did you notice how the threads really came to life when something like 'Stella' was picked? I suspect that a lot of us who aren't gigging pros and are still learning this stuff would like to work on our skills on somewhat familiar tunes, the ones we hear on the records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu View Post
    This is a great idea, and I second M-ster's idea of working from a ranked list of top standards.
    I also like M-ster's idea of using a published list.

    Paul

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    Yes, I like also the classics and don't mind do some standards which have been already done.

    Hans

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    I like the idea of going with a prioritized list of either favorites, jam-session regulars, or the like. That's because of where I am as a musician, of course. Newcomers to this site also might not have caught when something was covered several years back, so re-visiting an "old" tune could still be "new" to a good many, and advanced players can show us how to take it to the next level.
    - Lawson
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    Another, much quicker option, would be to follow the "Jam of the Week" group on Facebook...Or maybe that could be a whole 'nuther thread too...

    Maybe I'll start that one. I love the concept...new tune each week, one chorus only over the changes. No working out arrangements, just plug in and see what happens...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    Another, much quicker option, would be to follow the "Jam of the Week" group on Facebook...Or maybe that could be a whole 'nuther thread too...
    Having recently left Facebook, I'd be much less inclined to participate if things went this way. I'd prefer the list approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston Joe View Post
    Having recently left Facebook, I'd be much less inclined to participate if things went this way. I'd prefer the list approach.

    No, I don't mean do it on Facebook, I just mean let them choose the tunes.
    Jeff Matz, Jazz Guitar:
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    No, I don't mean do it on Facebook, I just mean let them choose the tunes.
    Oh, gotcha. Yeah, I could roll with that.

    (I've lost touch with a few people, but I still think that getting off FB was one of the better decisions I've made lately.)
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    Good idea, M-ster. It would be a real time saver

    wiz (Howie)
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    Yea sounds cool... I would think the thread would be more for players new to jazz. I mean that list of standards is from the stone age... and any jazz player or anyone playing jazz tunes would have already played those tunes a million times.

    But getting back to basics if one doesn't have or understand what those are never hurts... I'll try and post a few analysis using different references. That being maj/min functional harmony, old school... and then some more modern concepts... the last 60 years etc...

    Maybe M-ster could organized, he's a fine players etc...

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    I think a list, as a starting point, is probably a good idea. The one which has been mentioned is good, at least to start from, as long as you're factoring in its default bias towards vocal tunes and ballads. I mean, those are just going to be the most recorded. The Manhattan school jazz jury list has been posted many times. It and similar beginning lists might be good references.

    Football and volleyball are over. I need to dig back into some tunes, myself.

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    Manhattan School of Music Jazz Arts Program
    (list of 150 tunes starts on p.14 of the PDF)
    https://www.msmnyc.edu/Portals/0/Doc...%202016-17.pdf

    learnjazzstandards.com
    50 Jazz Standards You Need to Know
    50 Jazz Standards You Need To Know - Learn Jazz Standards

    Hope Street Music Studio
    100 "Must Know" Jazz Tunes
    100 Must Know Jazz Tunes

    The Woodshed
    (list starts a bit before 1/2-way down the page)
    300 Tunes to Know
    The Woodshed | Jazz Improvisation >> 300 Tunes to Know: Prioritized, Categorized, and Organized

    Jazz Standards.com
    (list of 1,000 tunes - both vocal and instrumental)
    Jazz Standards Songs and Instrumentals Contents

    So, above I list various standards/must-know jazz lists that I googled after Matt's post.

    At this point, I still favor the jazzstandards.com list because it does include both vocal and instrumental standards, the site provides some background on the tunes, and the list goes to 1,000, which provides us 83 years, 4 months of practice and entertainment.

    Are there other lists that we should consider, or ... ?
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    which provides us 83 years, 4 months of practice and entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster View Post
    At this point, I still favor the jazzstandards.com list because it does include both vocal and instrumental standards, the site provides some background on the tunes, and the list goes to 1,000, which provides us 83 years, 4 months of practice and entertainment.
    ?
    The jazzstandards.com list works for me.

    Paul

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    The jazzstandards.com lists looks good to me .

    wiz
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    I like the idea of going off a list. I have been seriously remiss in my playing since I got out of school and moved closer to my kids. I need some motivation to get me back in the game.

    Let me know when you guys are starting the next tune.

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    its up and running here: PS 2016 Nov - All the Things You Are

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    Good idea


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    Another, much quicker option, would be to follow the "Jam of the Week" group on Facebook...Or maybe that could be a whole 'nuther thread too...

    Maybe I'll start that one. I love the concept...new tune each week, one chorus only over the changes. No working out arrangements, just plug in and see what happens...
    I would be interested in that


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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster View Post
    Manhattan School of Music Jazz Arts Program
    (list of 150 tunes starts on p.14 of the PDF)
    https://www.msmnyc.edu/Portals/0/Doc...%202016-17.pdf

    learnjazzstandards.com
    50 Jazz Standards You Need to Know
    50 Jazz Standards You Need To Know - Learn Jazz Standards

    Hope Street Music Studio
    100 "Must Know" Jazz Tunes
    100 Must Know Jazz Tunes

    The Woodshed
    (list starts a bit before 1/2-way down the page)
    300 Tunes to Know
    The Woodshed | Jazz Improvisation >> 300 Tunes to Know: Prioritized, Categorized, and Organized

    Jazz Standards.com
    (list of 1,000 tunes - both vocal and instrumental)
    Jazz Standards Songs and Instrumentals Contents

    So, above I list various standards/must-know jazz lists that I googled after Matt's post.

    At this point, I still favor the jazzstandards.com list because it does include both vocal and instrumental standards, the site provides some background on the tunes, and the list goes to 1,000, which provides us 83 years, 4 months of practice and entertainment.

    Are there other lists that we should consider, or ... ?
    These all look good. I couldn't open the first one, but I am sure that it is similar to the others.


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    Let us when it is up and running.
    As for backing tracks I use the iReal book app. I like the fact that I can alter the speed, change the chords, modify the styles, add endings etc. Perhaps those can be shared with members that have the same app.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A View Post
    Let us when it is up and running.
    Hey, Doublea A, the Practical Standards threads have been running for a long time now. Howie ("wiz") handed off to me in Nov 2016, I believe. Our current tune (for July 2017) is Caravan.

    See here: July 2017 - Caravan

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster View Post
    Hey, Doublea A, the Practical Standards threads have been running for a long time now. Howie ("wiz") handed off to me in Nov 2016, I believe. Our current tune (for July 2017) is Caravan.

    See here: July 2017 - Caravan
    Thanks, I have been participating on and off for the past few months. I think I misunderstood. I thought we were breaking off and starting anew somewhere else.

    Thanks for taking over this thread. I think it is one of the most useful of the "study groups".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A View Post
    Thanks, I have been participating on and off for the past few months. I think I misunderstood. I thought we were breaking off and starting anew somewhere else.

    Thanks for taking over this thread. I think it is one of the most useful of the "study groups".
    I thought I already saw you post on at least one of the monthly threads.

    I liked the feature, too, while Howie was hosting. I worked on every tune, every month (and still do), whether or not my version gets "published."

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster View Post
    I thought I already saw you post on at least one of the monthly threads.

    I liked the feature, too, while Howie was hosting. I worked on every tune, every month (and still do), whether or not my version gets "published."
    Yes, so do I. I only discovered the group in January this year. I have been looking back at all the great tunes that I have missed.


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