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    Given that we're well into March and don't have a lot of time for a poll, here's what I propose:
    We take "All Of You" (as the most popular non-winner over the past two polls) and since I don't have BIAB, we take a crack at putting ourselves out there in the nude, so to speak. A click track is also acceptable.

    Take this to mean whatever you want: a chord-melody arrangement, single lines outlining the changes, lines with chords inserted, just practicing your comping, or all of the above. Fill your boots. The world's your oyster. (But if you do take "in the nude" literally, no video.)

    Here's the chart:
    All Of You

    What say you, fellow Practical Standarians?

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    I'll give it a crack if everyone else is down with this idea.

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    Being new here ! im still trying to figure out how to go about learning to play jazz and where to start. Are rookie and new players welcome in this group. ? man... if i posted a clip of me playing id sukkk so bad compared to most of you lol not even sure it would sound like jazz... but i really really want to learn. and maybe one day play like you all... is the ideas to post a Vid or audio clip playing thru the chart? kind of show where were at ! and, we can get help from the better players. critiquing and helping us? i'm worried mine would be painful to listen too... and id hate to stink up your group... But sound like just diving in and starting to play standards, and play play play might be the best approach. and the fastest way to learn... and advice would be great... or a group for me to look at that might be more appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pocket Player
    Being new here ! im still trying to figure out how to go about learning to play jazz and where to start. Are rookie and new players welcome in this group. ? man... if i posted a clip of me playing id sukkk so bad compared to most of you lol not even sure it would sound like jazz... but i really really want to learn. and maybe one day play like you all... is the ideas to post a Vid or audio clip playing thru the chart? kind of show where were at ! and, we can get help from the better players. critiquing and helping us? i'm worried mine would be painful to listen too... and id hate to stink up your group... But sound like just diving in and starting to play standards, and play play play might be the best approach. and the fastest way to learn... and advice would be great... or a group for me to look at that might be more appropriate.
    of course they are! anyone is welcome to post, doesn't matter whether you're starting out or whether you're a professional. I don't think anyone will tell you that you can't post your playing here.

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    Hi Chris,
    welcome to the Forum, all I can suggest to you is to avidly read the contributions
    here. You will find help from all sorts of sources , whatever you need to know you
    will receive very good advice . There are daily Videos posted, interesting Threads,
    on all aspects of Jazz Guitar, There are also lessons available on line that are
    appropriate for beginning players up to and including professionals most of whom
    are very happy and willing to pass on their experience.


    regards Silverfoxx

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    Beginners are always welcome here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu
    Given that we're well into March and don't have a lot of time for a poll, here's what I propose:
    We take "All Of You" (as the most popular non-winner over the past two polls) and since I don't have BIAB, we take a crack at putting ourselves out there in the nude, so to speak. A click track is also acceptable.
    I'm up for this. I want to do some solo stuff anyway.

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    I'm in

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    Sorry all, I installed windows 8.1 and lost almost everything! I am back on now and have recovered most of what I lost. I'll pick up the thread again in April. As for "All Of Me", go for it! Here is a realtracks BIAB backing track along with a matching lead sheet. Let me know if you are unable to download it. Enjoy!!

    wiz

    backing track----->https://app.box.com/s/87d0w9yb1eo3228p21zcfvz7uotn47st

    lead sheet------->https://app.box.com/s/87f8aevtqoxuwdiwzfqybmxzz330gata

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    To get the melody down, I've been listening to Ella:


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    This is one of those songs that I admit I struggle to enjoy. And I don't really know why - just does not gel for me. Maybe after I hear a couple of good versions here, I'll understand better.

    Jay

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    This is one of those songs that I admit I struggle to enjoy. And I don't really know why - just does not gel for me. Maybe after I hear a couple of good versions here, I'll understand better.

    Jay

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    My take on All of You is that as a midtempo swinger, it's ok, but as a really slow ballad it can be quite gorgeous. Check out Fred Hersch doing it.

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    Wiz, you have Ab major in the first bar of the melody. In The Real Book it's minor isn't it? Is it mostly played with major?

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    Minor 6. Some folks just go right to the F half diminished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Minor 6. Some folks just go right to the F half diminished.
    This tune is a beast for the rookie here. OK. I'll be lazy and just ask the question. Ab min6 vs. Fm7b5 as chord synonyms...

    In terms of approach to soloing, do you think of them differently or pull from different tonalities etc? I understand that in terms of the harmony, the root movements kind of indicate the naming of the chords as they are, inversion-wise, but do you play over them pretty much the same way?

    I'm thinking Ab MM on both of these, and can't help but hear them as being basically the same in function in this tune. Is that way you think about these chords?

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    Right, same function...the root movement sets up a different feel though, so it's worth considering. I can hear Dorian over that chord too, but I'm really just visualizing arpeggios when practicing this one.

    Something to think about--lots of folks will play that whole A section (or most of it, rather) over a Bb pedal.

    I'm going to try and put up a video today, I did a solo guitar version in D so I could exploit the open A string as this pedal. Sounds great...makes the first chord viewable as a 13b9...possibilities...

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    This is a tough one for a rookie I'm having a hard time with a few chords myself. but learning a ton just getting the tune into my head. I'm working to try to get something together,even if it just playing through it. But Your all on another level then myself Really like the Ella version of the song It really lets me hear it as a song . Thanks for being so welcoming ! and allowing me to take part in the process. even thou I'm at such a different level. Im absorbing so much ! its mind numbing this week. With the all of reading and listening i"ve done. many many hours !!! my work has suffered lol lol can't wait to hear what you guys come up with !!!

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    This is a good tune to break down...chunks.

    The first 8 bars all hover around a minor ii--V that resolves major...so you have two environments to deal with essentially.

    Bars 9-12 are pretty standard fare, a 1 6 2 5, really, hanging in Eb.

    13-16 we have nice chromatic bass movement taking us to another ii V in Eb

    17-24, more like the first 8, with a ii V at the end that moves to Ab, maybe a surprise, if you were expecting F...

    Then a ii V in G minor, setting up one last trip to Eb.

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    Tks Mr.beaumont that will make a ton of difference. i'll keep playing around

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    There are a few approaches... generally Cole Porter tunes always have related and parallel minor relationships going on...

    So think of Eb maj and the parallel Minor of Eb-.... and of course the related min or Eb, which isn't really used in this tune

    So the tune is a camouflaged Ebmin to Ebmaj

    The Ab-6 is basic parallel IV- from Eb-, and used modal interchange, the access to Ab melodic could be through,
    1) Ab-6 which is the sub dominant minor IV chord of parallel Ebmin, or from,
    2) the related V7 of that II-, which is Db7 or bVII7, generally with a #11 from Ab mm. or
    3) call the F-7b5 a sub of that Db7#11, bVII etc...

    there are a lot of possible relationships which is the point, it's deceptive.

    Anyway, so bars 3 and 4 imply going to Eb- but deceptively go to that subdominant IV-6 chord again, then Ebmaj or Ima and then normal IV-7 from Eb- with related V7 to ....

    Next 8 bars which are just chord patterns...
    Bars 9 - 12..standard chord pattern... III-7, passing Dim7, II-7 V7 of Imaj...
    bars 13 -16... thing I IV7 / II- V7 of II-/ II- V7. The D7 is altered sub... anyway you probably get the idea.... think Maj, and parallel Min. and then the relatives of each... use subs or modal interchange and deceptive resolutions or implying something and then going to a relationship of the implied target, parallel or related harmonies which work with the melody.

    Sorry so unorganized... think about it and you need more of a real analysis, I'll post something... but using those basic harmonic type of relationships you'll... get Porters harmonic approach and hopefully have some possibilities of how to approach the tune. Listen to Wes's version of Zawinul's Midnight Mood, to help hear straight versions of chord relationships similar to All of You


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    Just ran across this record on you tube...


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    Found this nice Kenny Burrell version.

    I'm still working on this tune - not there yet!


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    Here's my solo version. It took me a long time to get my head round this tune - something very ambiguous about those initial chords. Took a while to figure out what to play on them!


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    Wow love it ! I've been having a real hard time with this tune, until i heard you play it . The subtleness of the chords and melody weren't matching up to the song i was hearing, (elle) . Can someone please help me !!! with a good 6 and 5th string grip, for that Ab6 chord. Grahambop ! again very very tasty ! i was able to move FWD alittle after hearing you play it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pocket Player
    Wow love it ! I've been having a real hard time with this tune, until i heard you play it . The subtleness of the chords and melody weren't matching up to the song i was hearing, (elle) . Can someone please help me !!! with a good 6 and 5th string grip, for that Ab6 chord. Grahambop ! again very very tasty ! i was able to move FWD alittle after hearing you play it.
    Thanks! Got to admit, I cheated a bit there, and mainly played it as Fm7b5 (x8989x) every time. Just because this made it easier to stay in the middle of the fingerboard and build my solo lines around that and the Ebmaj7 chord. I might have used an Abm7 a couple of times (4x444x).

    By the way, that chord is Ab minor 6, not Ab6. I would play it as 4x344x, or 4x3444.

    In the first 8 bars, I largely used Abm lines/arps then Gm lines/arps, to fit over the Fm7b5 (Abm6) and the Ebmaj7 chords respectively. I just found it easier to visualise it this way, and keep it a bit simpler to function as a solo version.

    I have to say, this is not an easy tune to play solo. I played it a LOT before recording it!
    Last edited by grahambop; 03-24-2015 at 07:45 PM.

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    I have to quit with this song. Hope it's cool to do a vocal version. Simple chord melody on 2nd chorus.
    Last edited by matt.guitarteacher; 03-25-2015 at 09:28 AM.

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    Sounds good to me Matt!

    I solemnly promise I will never sing anything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    Sounds good to me Matt!

    I solemnly promise I will never sing anything!
    Thanks, brother. Especially liked what you were doing on yours, the last :30 seconds or so. Hope to get there someday myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
    Thanks, brother. Especially liked what you were doing on yours, the last :30 seconds or so. Hope to get there someday myself.
    Thanks man! that last bit was basically just to extend it, going a bit choppy on the chords, trying to keep some rhythm going.

    The final chord was meant to be a bit of a Miles quote, I think he sometimes ended these tunes with a phrase like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
    I have to quit with this song. Hope it's cool to do a vocal version. Simple chord melody on 2nd chorus.
    I'm open to comments/critiques on this by the way. Still learning here.

    Recorded on a beater I picked up as a spare nylon string for kids. I thought it had surprisingly good tone for what it is, especially to sing with, but the action is kind of terrible. That's my current excuse for behind/loose time and squeaks btw. :-) Slightly like playing underwater, but I deferred to the vocal I liked more this time.

    Also, feel free to let me know if you think singing is uncool, out of place for this kind of thread, or a copout etc..
    Last edited by matt.guitarteacher; 03-25-2015 at 09:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
    I have to quit with this song. Hope it's cool to do a vocal version. Simple chord melody on 2nd chorus.

    Hi Matt, liked the vocal , I regret my vocals are of the late`Les `Dawson"s piano school style
    You did a good job on the guitar too despite an obviously near impossible action.
    I'm off to the woodshed after listening to Grahambop also.



    Best,

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    Loved the Vocals Matt ! and the simple approach and the guitar ! Hey ! after all that's why most of pick up the instrument anyway so we can sit ,play, and sing a song. That's where the enjoyment comes . You have a strong voice man . good work ! very fitting for the song .

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    Nice singing, nice playing!
    Last edited by crisscross; 03-27-2015 at 05:12 PM.

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    here's an unaccompanied one, as per Jehu's instructions. I thought I'd do a video, in order to scare the wimin and chilen


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    Nice playing (and singing), all! Man, this never gets old. I'm amazed by you people every single month.

    Time to lower the bar to encourage my fellow mortals. Just a few chords for me this time around.


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    Jay, Nice. is that the guitar you built?

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    @pkirk- that was some really good chord melody! I enjoyed that immensely!
    @jeho- the chomping sounded great bro!

    you guys always inspire me to practice more. Once I get out of the hospital, it's back to shed for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkirk
    Jay, Nice. is that the guitar you built?
    Indeed it is. Hasn't imploded yet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu
    Indeed it is. Hasn't imploded yet!
    that has to be an amazing feeling. It sounds really good.

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    Congrats, Jehu. Good sounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu
    Nice playing (and singing), all! Man, this never gets old. I'm amazed by you people every single month.

    Time to lower the bar to encourage my fellow mortals. Just a few chords for me this time around.

    Nice sound and comping! I just grabbed my guitar and jammed along with it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkirk
    that has to be an amazing feeling. It sounds really good.
    It really is. This has actually become my go-to couch guitar. I kind of assumed I would play it out of a combination of obligation and cognitive dissonance reduction, but it is a surprisingly comfortable instrument. I still plan to take it to a real-life luthier for feedback and a final set-up, but I'm pretty happy with how things turned out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    Nice sound and comping! I just grabbed my guitar and jammed along with it!
    Thanks, Graham. I've been taking lessons from pkirk, but I haven't told him yet because I'm too cheap to pay him.

    Hey, once we have the technology for real-time interweb jamming, it will take these threads to a whole new level!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu
    Thanks, Graham. I've been taking lessons from pkirk, but I haven't told him yet because I'm too cheap to pay him.

    Hey, once we have the technology for real-time interweb jamming, it will take these threads to a whole new level!
    Hey Jay, I'm honored. We should do the real-time internet thing sometime. I saw Graham did a thing with Dick Onstenk (dutchbopper) once, and it was pretty cool how that worked out. Maybe sometime we can do a collaborative practical standard thing.

    I have a PhD student right now from New Zealand, and I'm hoping when he finishes he'll invite me to your island so I can come and try your guitar myself.

    Paul

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    Sweet, Paul! Hopefully that pans out for you, NZ is a pretty cool place (speaking as a former prairie-dweller myself... I grew up in Saskatchewan).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkirk

    I have a PhD student right now from New Zealand, and I'm hoping when he finishes he'll invite me to your island so I can come and try your guitar myself.

    Paul
    You teach at IU? I just got back from a conference there, the stone buildings on campus are beautiful.

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    tacofarm, yep.You should have looked me up! We could have played together. Let me know next time you come by.

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    Yeah, I would have if I had realized you lived there, next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkirk
    We should do the real-time internet thing sometime. I saw Graham did a thing with Dick Onstenk (dutchbopper) once, and it was pretty cool how that worked out. Maybe sometime we can do a collaborative practical standard thing.
    You need someone with reasonably good video editing software to do this. When we did it, I sent my video file to Dick and he superimposed his video onto it, as he had some quite fancy software. I couldn't do it with any of the video editing programs I have.