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    Since we had a tie for first place in thle April poll, we have two good songs to work on for April. Here are a couple of backing tracks to start things going. Use either one or both if you like for the April selection. Both are Made from BIAB realtracks, have a 4 bar intro and 3 choruses to play with.

    Have fun!

    wiz

    I should Care backing track.---->Box

    I should care PDF lead sheet---->Box
    Last edited by wizard3739; 04-04-2013 at 04:34 PM.

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    Thanks Howie.

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    OK... so here is how I might look at What's New. Pretty standard analysis with basic references...

    I didn't post a playing version of tune... I will, I'll try and get a clip from some gig I play this week. It's a cool tune, should be able to talk someone into videoing ...

    This is pretty typical target approach tune with Relative and Parallel concepts of harmonic organization.

    Check out the vid and if I need to clear anything up just ask... I know. I talk too fast and expect everyone too know way too much already... so please ask...



    Reg

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    Thanks Reg, I agree with you, it is a good analysis with a typical AABA format with C Maj to Cmi (Eb) for the "A" sections and repeated in FMaj for the "B" (bridge). I tend to use it as a groovy ballad as it offers good, expressive improv opportunities, perhaps fertile ground for melodic minor sounds. Thanks again Reg.

    wiz

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    Wow nice explanation, I learned something. Thanks Reg!
    Last edited by Bigmagic; 04-08-2013 at 02:27 PM.

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    Here's a vanilla analysis...

    Cmaj7...(A-7).../ Bb-7....Eb7..../ Abmaj7........../D-7b5.... G7alt...
    Imaj7....VI-7.../ II-V7/ bVImaj7 / bVImaj7........./ II-7b5 V7alt...

    C-.... C-/Bb..../Abmaj7...G7alt../ C6.... A-7....../ D-7..../ G7....
    I-7....I-/bVII.../bVImaj7..V7alt../ I6.....VI-7....../ II-7..../ V7... //

    This is how a jazz player might look at tune... If he has classical background, he might use classical analysis, because that's what he's comfortable with. I am comfortable with both... but when playing and talking about jazz... I use jazz analysis and nomenclature.

    I know Abmaj7 is typically from "C" Parallel Minor. Just as I know A-7 is VI- in key of C. I don't need to have perfect analysis for one specific version of the tune... I want to also leave possibilities open...I really didn't need to notate the G7alt... they would be implied or heard...as tune unfolds.

    I use all large case... because, with jazz usage of modal interchange... I'm really just implying root motion and basic starting harmonic references... Basic chord with relationship to Diatonic context. I'm not implying a specific Key... as with traditional practice.

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    I tried something different this month. Inspired by seeing Peter Mazza last weekend, I did a head arrangement of "I should care" in an attempt at imitating him. In fingerstyle, which I dont do enough of anyway. What I tried to do is keep a moving bass line in straight 8ths under the melody, mingled with some reharm and pattern stuff. I have trouble playing it, so I stopped when I got a decent take, and didn't do an improv chorus.

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    nice arrangement Pkirk, I enjoyed listening to your fingerstyle approach.

    wiz

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard3739
    nice arrangement Pkirk, I enjoyed listening to your fingerstyle approach.

    wiz
    thanks wiz. are you going to post one?

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    Yes, I will post one but it will have to be an old one, my recording system is temporarily down.

    wiz

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    This is an old version Colleen & I worked on for a gig a few months ago. We both really like this song, this practice version was recorded in my home studio, We hope you like it. My recording system wil be back up in a couple of days and I will try to put something together for "What's New".

    wiz

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    Hey wiz. Sounds real good. I'm curious how you did this. It's a BIAB backing track? did you do the comping? Also, I suspect the singer (your wife?) recorded the track at the same time as you recorded the guitar, or did you add the guitar later? I like how you fill in between her phrases. And on your solos, I like the feel on 8th note triplets things you throw every now and then. Do more of that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkirk
    Hey wiz. Sounds real good. I'm curious how you did this. It's a BIAB backing track? did you do the comping? Also, I suspect the singer (your wife?) recorded the track at the same time as you recorded the guitar, or did you add the guitar later? I like how you fill in between her phrases. And on your solos, I like the feel on 8th note triplets things you throw every now and then. Do more of that!
    Thank you pkirk! This is a BIAB backing track that uses a guitar trio for comping and I added the guitar improv track later. I'm still trying to learn how to get a good, clean recording. Thanks to FEP, I am learning to use the Reaper program with an M-Audio Fast Track Ultra to inteface with the computer. As for filling in between her phrases, we have been working together for so many years I usually know what she is going to do before she does it. As you may have noticed, My improv is mostly by ear and comes out pretty close to what we do for a live performance. My recording system is working again so I will be working on "Whats New" for a while.

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    Wiz, I enjoyed it very much, something about a Jazz ballad strikes a note with me anyway. You and your wife sound very good. Thanks for sharing.

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    Great job , Guy! I liked your rhythmic approach and the good tone. Very nice video, Graphene looks really important, I've been following its' progress on the stock market.

    wiz

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    Hi everyone! It would appear as if people are interested in hearing a version of I should care....
    Well here's mine complete w email notification around one min. Recorded on unplugged electric gtr into mobile phone soundcloud app. Hope u like it.

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    Guy
    Thanks for sharing. Nice swinging use of octaves on the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taurusgtr
    Hi everyone! It would appear as if people are interested in hearing a version of I should care....
    Well here's mine complete w email notification around one min. Recorded on unplugged electric gtr into mobile phone soundcloud app. Hope u like it.
    Taurusgtr: I liked this. Can you make a less "lo-fi" (otherwise known as hifi ;-) ) one? or at least use an amp? I bet it would sound pretty good. I want to hear some of your voicings more clearly.

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    Thanks for listening pkirk! I'll try to plug in next time. Most times I don't in order to be more considerate of my neighbors....

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    Quote Originally Posted by taurusgtr
    Thanks for listening pkirk! I'll try to plug in next time. Most times I don't in order to be more considerate of my neighbors....
    I checked out Juju on your soundcloud page: burning!

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    Thank u!

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    Hey PKirk
    I really enjoyed listening to u on your sound cloud page this am! I thought at first it might have been softly as in a morning sunrise but was a great original tune instead! Plus the blood count was awesome! The comping was cool and really subtle. I thought it was a piano at first! I actually thought it was like 50's jazz bootleg or something initially! That track was real nice! And the Potter tune Train was cool too! Nice solo on that one w some cool outside notes. Thats a GREAT band u got there! I can only imagine, this " bears" gig must be a BLAST!
    BE WELL

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    thanks Taurus. It is "softly": the bass states the melody.

    the quintet stuff is a band I get together (and put the book together for) whenever I get a pure jazz gig, which for me is about 3 times a year. The bass player is the Jazz bass professor (jeremy allen) and the sax player is the jazz saxophone professor (tom walsh) at Indiana university. The drummer Ben Lumsdaine is incredible, but he is leaving town in a few weeks (and leaving a huge hole behind) and the trumpet player kyle quass is a friend of mine who has studied with several contemporary classical composers and I do other projects with him. I dont know why these guys play with me....

    If you are interested, check out a CD I made with a great group a few years ago, you can stream it here:
    Watercourse Records: (x)tet

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    That's some nice stuff! Just listened to Cherrywood... I'm gonna listen more later.

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    Some cool versions... of tunes. Would dig seeing more... Anyway, I used BIAB and made a version of Whats New...

    Took me way to much time... then played through tune in like 5 or 6 min. A little sloppy, sorry... the changes are similar but used a little modal interchange etc... If i ever play through again, might find something.


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    Some great rhythmic lines, and as always, your sense of groove is superb.

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
    Guy

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    Just for reference... Here are embellished changes for What's New
    Attached Images Attached Images April 2016 - I Should Care/What's New-whats-new-jpg 
    Last edited by Reg; 04-30-2013 at 09:45 AM.

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    Nice, interesting changes Reg, I will give them a try.

    wiz

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    Hwy Wiz...

    Thanks, who knows, they're somewhat more modern. If I played through the tune again, would probably be completely different. I was watching the Warriors basketball game while noodling through tune.

    I always dig Lydian / Dorian relationships and where they can develop.

    Kind of surprised more don't post examples of playing through tunes.

    Thanks again
    Reg

    Maybe we should pick some more modern tunes to pull from, might get more players to post? Beside yourself only,
    Taurusgyr
    pkirk
    GuyBoden

    posted samples, they were great, but would be cool to have more.

    Some possible tunes...

    Scofield's...Big J or I'll Catch You
    J Henderson's...Recordame, The Kicker or Punjab
    Wes...Movin' Along, Leila or Jingles
    Silver's...Liberated Brother, Juicy Lucy
    C Walton's...Clockwize or Bolivia
    H Mobley's..Funk in Deep Freeze
    Monk's ...Hackensack
    Zawinuli's...Midnight Mood

    Just some thoughts...

    Reg

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    Reg and wiz

    I'm up for anything. I'm using the "practical standards" as a tool to learn new tunes, or if I already know them, to try different things with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reg
    Maybe we should pick some more modern tunes to pull from, might get more players to post?
    Good idea Reg, it would be interesting to know why there's not more members posting.
    Guy

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    I've committed myself to my 52 week songs thing...sorry I haven't been able to get in on more of these...it's tough finding the time to make one video a week...I'll try to get a take on next month...

    I would like to see some more modern stuff though...there's newer "standards."

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    So maybe wait and see if more members reply. In the end I don't care that much, I play too much already.

    The Best of Sher is good collection of standards, I'll post the index.

    I also play out of Sher's The All-Jazz real book, good collection of different tunes along with Sher's The European real book... nice for non states view of jazz tunes. You can go online at Sher site and see indexes and either listen to recorded versions of selected tunes or the version of recording chart is from is listed with links to artist.

    I don't think we'll get less players joining in.

    Reg
    Attached Images Attached Images April 2016 - I Should Care/What's New-sher-standards1-jpg April 2016 - I Should Care/What's New-sher-2-jpg 

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    Thanks Reg, I put your suggested tunes on my selection list. I'm not familiar with a couple of them so t the his will be another good learning experience.
    Last edited by wizard3739; 04-30-2013 at 10:34 PM.

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    Howie
    thanks for posting. One of the things you did a couple times (I think intuitively, but it sounded good) that I liked was anticipate the changes, eg go to the Bbmi before the bar of Cmaj is over, so create tension that resolves when the harmony catches up. It's a trick that lots of people dont use that much: many intermediate players (me included) try to keep their improv exactly lined up with the changes. But anticipating (or delaying) the harmony in your lines is a simple way to create and release tension.

    One way to practice this is to use to practice this is to reharmonize 4 bars of 4/4 (say with one chord per bar) as 3 bars of 3/4 and one bar of 7/4 in my solo (so 3+3+3+7=16=4x4), while the backing track plays the usual one chord per bar. SO you get to the last chord before the band. ANother version is to do 2 bars of 5/4 and then 2 bars of 3/4 (so 5+5+3+3=16=4x4)


    I recorded one or two takes myself of this tune, but never liked what came out. It's a deceptively hard tune. The changes are easy, but it is hard to keep from just running changes, especially since the bridge is the same as the A section (except for the min at the end of the bridge), and so the bridge doesnt really give a break from the A section beyond just the modulation.
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    Thank you Pkirk, for the nice analytic thinking about my "ear" approach. You probably noticed I kept referring back to the melody. I prefer to improvise around the melody line rather than the changes because that approach allows me to play what is in my head without much thought.

    wiz

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    I've just listened through all the posts (I've listened to some already, weeks ago, but could not return till now0.

    All good. Bluesier and moodier the better.

    - in Reg's version of What's new, I heard things I like to hear at G. Benson + analysis = Yeah.
    - Wiz, man, at one moment I thought you'll continue to smoke away, but you showed class and went back to what it really is.
    - Guy is always on a (re)search path, you can never get borred with his versions + the gestalt provided by video and messages.

    - I should care, I really liked the Wiz's Ballad version. People often forget Jazz is vocal music, too.
    - PKirk, serious attempt, really good, not my cup of tea, but cudos to you. European Classic "undertone", I can take as a spice only, or a quote.
    - Taurusgtr, similar to previous comment, I believe it's good and everything, recording environment prevent from full enjoyment, but the very moment I hear a speck of Manouche, I don't want to listen to it any more. Blame is on me. I'm of those odballs prefering Django on Stratocaster, or whatever he played, Jaguar maybe, I don't know really.

    Hopefully, I've mentioned them all.

    Sorry I could not join you past month, but may be I could join for May. No promisses.

    BTW, I made my version of Billy's Bounce, f you find some time, you can listen to it either on my Youtube channel, or in Showcase part of this forum.