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    The new song is " Bright Size Life "

    Backing track here
    Pdf here BSLchords.pdf - File Shared from Box.net - Free Online File Storage

    If anyone wants the melody then PM me.....

    Enjoy

    Tom
    Last edited by oilywrag; 02-20-2012 at 03:43 PM.

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    Ah--my first two cents will be--a tune where modal thinking actually makes sense!

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    "Bright Size Life" will be fun for me since I haven't spent much time on it. I listened to Pat Methenys' utube version and am looking forward to listening to how other members of our forum approach the song.

    wiz

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    So you know the tune...




    enjoy,

    Tom

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    I don't like the Metheny version...is there a definitive "classic" version to reccomend??

    Sailor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor
    I don't like the Metheny version...is there a definitive "classic" version to reccomend??

    Sailor
    The original version is on his debut album, of the same name. I can't find it on youtube, though, too many covers!

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    Yes, it's Metheny's tune. You can't get more classic. Just a note from the peanut gallery: the chord that is labeled "Bbmaj7b5/A" actually has Bb in the bass.

    There's a lead sheet in the original Real Book (that I don't have at hand); but I listened to the video link.

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    I'll have to sit this one out Not a fan but I will listen to it and watch the comments...I'm sure I will learn something.

    Sailor

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster
    Yes, it's Metheny's tune. You can't get more classic. Just a note from the peanut gallery: the chord that is labeled "Bbmaj7b5/A" actually has Bb in the bass.

    There's a lead sheet in the original Real Book (that I don't have at hand); but I listened to the video link.
    I wish I had your ears; from what I can read on the net, that chord can be voiced as x03330 on the guitar which gives an A in the bass but Jaco Pastorius played a Bb on his bass on the original. The Bb in the bass would suggest you play Bb Lydian here?

    Des

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailor
    I don't like the Metheny version...is there a definitive "classic" version to reccomend??

    Sailor
    Whoa! careful there Sailor. I once criticised Joe Pass on this forum and I had to change my name and post from Siberia for 3 months after that.

    I didn't have a copy of this either. I got a Metheny album 30 years ago - during his synth phase - and didn't listen to PM again for 20 years.

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    Hey, It's not my favorite tune either...haven't played since is I was at Berklee when Metheny was there, I hear it as a rock tune. But will still go through our process of analysis and playing of tune... Best Reg

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    "Whoa! careful there Sailor. I once criticised Joe Pass on this forum and I had to change my name and post from Siberia for 3 months after that. "...LOL!!!

    Yeah...sounds like a rock tune to me too...Hey, I'm old...!!

    Rock on dudes, Sailor

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    Rock tune? It's a good thing we didn't pick Phase Dance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
    Rock tune? It's a good thing we didn't pick Phase Dance!
    I am working on a Chord Melody version of Paranoid by Sabbath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dazz
    I am working on a Chord Melody version of Paranoid by Sabbath.
    I'm trying to get my church choir to sing "Crazy Train"

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    Ok... back to the song.

    The jam track supplied, does seem a bit to "rocky". I find it better to perceive it as a somewhat of a bossa. If you listen to Metheny's Live version (with Larry Grenadier and Bill Stewart), it becomes more apparent.

    Once it's in the performance stage, however, all players need to increase the ambiguity of that latin feel.

    You might want to try working with this BIAB file instead. I have also only included bass and drums, as this is a trio piece.

    http://www.box.net/shared/r0dfzz0env
    Last edited by sgreb; 02-03-2011 at 05:28 PM. Reason: FIXED LINK!!

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    I don't think that link works!!!


    cheers

    Tom
    Last edited by oilywrag; 02-03-2011 at 03:23 PM.

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    Ok guys,as some people would like a trio setting then here is a drum and bass track, the bass is a bit lively but I don't have to pay him..


    enjoy,

    Tom
    Last edited by oilywrag; 02-20-2012 at 03:42 PM.

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    BSL_IMRPOV

    In the above link, I wrote down how I perceive the song from an improv perspective.

    I am self-taught (before the internet) and utilized my ear mostly to arrive at these conclusions.

    Essentially the song alternates back and forth from DMaj to Dmin tonalities. There are some other deviations, which I noted.

    This is just my simple mind in action, but it seems to work well to enable excellent improv over this tune.
    Last edited by sgreb; 02-03-2011 at 04:33 PM. Reason: FIXED LINK

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    I just checked. Pat Metheny is 56. I feel old!

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    Wow Tom... great track. Really, that make me want to play, sounds like Charlie Moffett. I liked the other one also, but the room here... will be fun... Thanks Reg

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-ster
    Yes, it's Metheny's tune. You can't get more classic. Just a note from the peanut gallery: the chord that is labeled "Bbmaj7b5/A" actually has Bb in the bass.

    There's a lead sheet in the original Real Book (that I don't have at hand); but I listened to the video link.
    That Bb chord, as Metheny plays it in the video, is melody note on the open E, then D, Bb, F, and the open A string. The bass player is definitely playing Bb. So I'm going to call the chord Bbmaj7#11.

    [Edit: I just saw Dazz's post. That's the fingering Pat uses, x03330.]

    I have the real book chart. It has some funky parts in the melody that Pat doesn't seem to be playing in the video. It's the first measure of G/A and the first measure of A/E.

    I like this song.
    Last edited by kenbennett; 02-03-2011 at 07:04 PM.

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    Cool I just Listen to Tune... thanks for link. Very cool, not really my thing, but I'll fake my way through. I'll make Video now, after I read some post... my morning paper... Reg

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    Cool Here's a version of BSL.. I listen to version and tried to cover head in similar feel. This is extremely rough... I just read through with memory of sample ... I think it's a difficult head... And as much as I dig Toms version with Bass and Drums... it was hard to feel time... If I played it a few times would probable start to get the right feel... but it's good to see how I trashed the tune... great entertainment... have fun. I hear the tune as a deceptive rock tune with cool melody... I still don't hear the C nat. on the A/E, I see it could be octave displacement of blue note... just don't hear, reminds me of Scofield lick. The analysis is pretty straight ahead, IV, bVI, I, yada yada Reg

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    cool post/vid Reg!!

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    Another good video Reg! Thanks for posting.

    wiz

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    Hey Reg that was great, I really liked that fast digital pattern run towards the end

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    Thanks SPG members... I think the tune is much easier to solo on them make the head sound right. The other track might be a little easier to play over all around... I was just digging Tom's Bass player, even if he was soloing the whole time... I'll try and make an arrangement or something different next time I look at tune and post.(I'll tune up)
    Jay thanks... I really was just getting through chart. If I was playing at gig... I probably would have really opened up and entertained the audience... I think it's that kind of tune.
    Best Reg

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    Hey Reg,well cool,full of info as well..thanks for taking the time to post...

    Cheers,

    Tom

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    What a fab idea for a post. I'll going to have a bash. Will more "traditional "standards be posted in the future?

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    Santiboy nice to have you here..If you have a look the in theory forum and I think the everything elese forum.You will find Blue Bossa,Have You Met Miss Jones and Fly Me To The Moon.All done in threads like this,also,yes other standards will be done,when this thread slows down..We will run a poll to find the next one..

    Cheers

    Tom

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    Just been looking at this tune. Going to have to pass Im afraid, its a bit too tricky for me at the moment. Might have a go at the older post though, can efforts still be uploaded for the Blue Bossa, Fly Me etc ?

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    Santiboy feel free to upload what you want.All efforts are welcome..



    Cheers,

    Tom

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    I'm enjoying this. I've been in a bad rut for a while and this has forced me to learn a track I didn't know and sort out all the problems I had with my recording setup. I should have something to upload very soon.

    As for the analysis, it just sounds Lydian all the way through.

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    Good stab at it, Reg.

    I agree that the head is difficult. It's not difficult to play, just to make it sound good. I used to say half jokingly that guitar players can't write music. Bright Size Life is an example of what I meant. It doesn't sing as a melody should. A little too lickish in some places, it's not as bad as some.

    But... I enjoy playing it. It does have a certain spirit. I would record it, but my hands are stiff from carving all day. Maybe tomorrow.

    Everybody else go for it. I'm curious what other players do with it.

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    Here are some possible voicings that seem ok (apologies for any typos):

    GMaj7 3x443x ??
    Bb/A x0333x (or open top e string)
    BbMaj7 x1323x ??
    DMaj9 xx0230
    D/C x3023x
    G/A 5x543x or x0543x
    F/G 3x321x
    G/B x2003x
    D/F# 20023x
    A/E 0x222x

    Des

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    Hey Des,

    Thanks for contributing. Your chords will work fine. I never thought of the country aspect of this piece. I guess it's in there. Many country guitarists can play some jazz

    I was wondering where everybody else is too. Reg is always quick with a video. Where's Tony Knight to compile everyone's thoughts into a pdf lesson? Is anybody else ready to play?

    I have an arrangement almost worked out. Just need to record it. I'm going straight Bossa Nova with a chord melody approach. Due to a broken computer that has my only decent drum samples, I can't make a backing track.

    Maybe tonight or tomorrow I'll record a 2 guitar version or slap together a video to show what I'm working at.

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    I 've been extremely busy with gigs for the past week but I am working on a version of "Bright Size Life" for the forum. This tune is difficult for me to play on.

    wiz

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard3739
    I 've been extremely busy with gigs for the past week but I am working on a version of "Bright Size Life" for the forum. This tune is difficult for me to play on.

    wiz
    First few times I played it, I just tried to play arpeggios on the chords as they went past and it sounded wrong and was kind of tough going. After some reading and head scratching and trial and error, D major works fine for about half the tune.
    For the chords that do not fit that there are tons of easy choices e.g. Dminor or Fmajor or Bb Lydian on the Bb chords or indeed just the chord tones

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    OK I'll make another one, this time I won't just kind of sight read through.... I'll try and come with something different with changes and feel... I need to make a few videos for other posts also... get out the recorder and play... Best Reg

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbennett
    Good stab at it, Reg.

    I agree that the head is difficult. It's not difficult to play, just to make it sound good. I used to say half jokingly that guitar players can't write music. Bright Size Life is an example of what I meant. It doesn't sing as a melody should. A little too lickish in some places, it's not as bad as some.

    I could not agree more! This is why I've never really gotten into the 'fusion' guys, it doesn't sound melodic to me at all.

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    I'll post something soon. I absolultely love it, but have always struggled to really make this tune happen.

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    I've been way overthinking this tune so, today I'm completely ignoring it. I'll put up a take tomorrow. I prefer your backing Sgreb, though I'll cut it to 3 minutes.

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    I'm almost ready to post something, but I just can't get that Metheny sound. I have 3 digital delays and 4 chourus machines in a series-parallel network and its almost there.

    I have an appointment to perm my hair tomorrow - that should nail it !

    On a more serious note, the problem I keep seeming to hit is emerging from an improvised chorus back to the opening hook. I aways linger too long into the final bar of the improv and then find myself having missed the hook and already into the first Gmaj7 bar. Is this a simple beginner's mistake and I just need some more practice, or does anyone have any tips that may help ?

    - and missing the hook means I'm doomed to another chorus of unresolved improv !

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    Quote Originally Posted by newsense
    I'm almost ready to post something, but I just can't get that Metheny sound. I have 3 digital delays and 4 chourus machines in a series-parallel network and its almost there.

    I have an appointment to perm my hair tomorrow - that should nail it !

    On a more serious note, the problem I keep seeming to hit is emerging from an improvised chorus back to the opening hook. I aways linger too long into the final bar of the improv and then find myself having missed the hook and already into the first Gmaj7 bar. Is this a simple beginner's mistake and I just need some more practice, or does anyone have any tips that may help ?

    - and missing the hook means I'm doomed to another chorus of unresolved improv !
    +1 on all 3 fronts
    My hair is a mess today; the cat has pissed on my 3rd chorus pedal and I play the hook somewhere around bar 5 in a real hurry and with an apologetic look on my face.

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    Here is a backing track with the JACO PASTORIUS bass part throughout. Including his solo. A great opportunity for soloing and comping.

    If my memory serves me correctly, I think you play the head, take 2 choruses, comp for 2 and head out.

    There is a two bar count in.

    http://www.box.net/shared/pu64zguo2x
    Last edited by sgreb; 02-16-2011 at 02:57 PM.

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    Hmmm just played it through... sounds like the last head gets clipped off. Oh well, still a fun backing track. Really helps with the vibe.

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    Here's a different version... sorry it's rough but if i rehearsed the tune it would be boring... anyway I'm lazy, have late gigs all week... and want to post some other tunes and samples of different techniques on some other threads, and I need to post a Ceora for Wiz... Writing tunes for another CD...Yada Yada...This is not a showcase thread, half the process is simply going through the motions... i think my versions of BSL suck... who cares. We'll be playing new tune soon. Maybe we should move on sooner than later. hell I can't even read the head and get it to sound like anything... Reg

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    Good evening, Reg...
    Now look, that's the trouble with you youngsters. If you're not going to spend the time getting your licks together, you'll never make it to the bandstand. Don't you want to become a professional player..?

    No, but seriously...
    Quote Originally Posted by Reg
    ...sorry it's rough...
    What? That's rough? Apology unnecessary (but accepted... )
    Quote Originally Posted by Reg
    ...i think my versions of BSL suck...
    Admirable modesty, but false (excepting, perhaps, to yourself...). I'd love to 'suck' like that (dream on...).
    Quote Originally Posted by Reg
    ...hell I can't even read the head and get it to sound like anything...
    Sounds great to me.
    Nice work, lad. I'm sure you'll make it in the end.
    Another gem from the 'Reg Room'. I really don't know how you do it, getting in from (or going out to...) a gig, sits down, plugs in, plays his b***s off, then apologizes for the result..! What's it like on a good night (for you...), then? Must be worth paying good money to see.
    Many thanks, and looking forward to the one you're satisfied with.

    PS: Just watched the OilyRag video posted earlier, for the first time. excellent trio (thumb's up for the bass/drums...). Pat Methany remains Pat Methany. I'm glad I didn't try this one, folks. So, no, Reg, it doesn't 'suck', but hell's teeth, one can't compete with that, so all the more credit to you. I'm not surprised that others are shy with their cameras..!
    Last edited by Dad3353; 02-16-2011 at 07:23 PM. Reason: PS added...

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    Another good one, Reg.

    I spliced up that Jaco track so that it continues on out to the end. Then I accidentally erased part of it. I'll fix it tonight and post it.

    Gotta go to work.

    Ken