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Well, you could try Nuages, I suppose. Put it in Showcase, we'll pick it up.
Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
It wasn’t mine either - but it was the road less traveled, so I took it. Ya gotta start somewhere
Lord, that's some time ago. That would definitely be interesting!Django recorded PTAK on a 78 single in 1949, but I’ve never heard it so I don’t know how he played it. I can’t find it anywhere, but hopefully a copy will turn up.
Anyway, that's Prelude over with more or less.
Here's a bit of silliness, a reharm with the tune at the end just to prove it works. Very strange :-)
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06-16-2022 10:03 AM
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Oh, I meant to put this up. Don't know who he is but it's not bad. Lots of notes
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This thread is deficient without at least a few takes from notable jazz guitarists to put ours into perspective. Here are Jesse Van Ruller's and Johnny Smith's.
Interestingly, the JS album is focused on the trio - Bob Pancoast (p), George Roumanis (b), and Mousey Alexander (d). JS doesn't even play the head on PTAK, but he plays a beautiful solo starting at 2:10.
The remastered album is a double. If you want the albums included on it, I think the remastered CD is the only available medium. Here's the back of the 2001 CD of the original double album -
I've never seen a CD or digital version of the 1960 album on which PTAK originally appeared:
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My fave with a beautiful Ron Carter solo and very subtle piano by Gil Goldstein......just a lovely version...
Ray
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Jim Hall did another nice version with Ron Carter. He also did it on Jim Hall Live volume 4 - I have the CD, will have to dig it out and give that one a listen too.
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Hi, N, Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
Of course, we have never met in our lives journeys, but much is revealed about a person in their music. I've always said that a ballad is the most difficult test of musicianship since one cannot hide behind sheets of sound with poor technique/thin sound and must reveal their spiritual animus. I believe this is best expressed in your playing in the following snippets: Opening to .59; 1:37 -2:10 and 3:38 to the ending. I especially like your fat melodic lines and timing.
Marinero
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So what was wrong with the other bits?Opening to .59; 1:37 -2:10 and 3:38 to the ending
(This is from an old joke about the woman who bought her husband two new ties for his birthday. He said he'd just pop upstairs to try them and came downstairs wearing one of them. She looked at him and shouted 'So what's wrong with the other one?')
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That's in your head, Ragman . . . not mine. The snippets I mentioned revealed, for me, N's musical personality. Simple as that! Originally Posted by ragman1
So what was wrong with the other bits?
(This is from an old joke about the woman who bought her husband two new ties for his birthday. He said he'd just pop upstairs to try them and came downstairs wearing one of them. She looked at him and shouted 'So what's wrong with the other one?')
Marinero
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Wow - many thanks! Originally Posted by Marinero
David
PS: FWIW, the ragman really was just being funny by quoting one of the oldest jokes in the world - and I enjoyed it. The original version was most probably about mothers, not wives. It's been adopted to every religion, ethnicity, and country of origin and it's based on the use of guilt to control a spouse, child, etc. Ethnic "competitions" among comedians have focused on this since the beginning of standup comedy, e.g.
Question: What's the difference between a Jewish mother and an Italian mother?
Answer: An Italian mother says to her children, "Eat this or I'll kill you!". A Jewish mother tells them, "Eat this or I'll kill myself!"
My family is solidly in the latter camp! If we can joke about our histories, chormosomes, and families, we can joke about our music. No worries, mate!Last edited by nevershouldhavesoldit; 06-17-2022 at 10:11 AM.
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PTAK was a favorite , he's done it many times with many different performers (Scofield/Metheny/J.Pass.... Originally Posted by grahambop
EDIT: there seems to be confusion on youtube as to who played which part in the Ballads Essentials recording, sounds like Ron Carter on that track (and I know they've performed it together many times) but could not vouch for Gil Goldstein on piano ; Here a listing of all the performers on the album from Discogs:
- Bass – Ron Carter, Steve LaSpina
- Drums – Akira Tana, Terry Clarke
- Guitar – Jim Hall
- Piano – George Shearing
- Piano, Bass – Don Thompson (2)
- Piano, Keyboards – Gil Goldstein
Ray
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For what it’s worth, Youtube gives the credits on that particular track as follows:
Based on that, I’m guessing the track is taken from ‘All Across the City’.
All Across the City - Wikipedia
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Which reminds me... Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
A frail old Jewish man was stuck in a bog and going under. All the people were gathered round yelling 'Give me your hand, give me your hand!' but he just looked at them suspiciously and wouldn't do it. Eventually an aged Rabbi turned up and asked them if he could try. He holds out his hand and says 'Take this, take this!'
Et voila
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Sorry, I've got lots of jokes. My favorite American one is
Cop to hillbilly: Got any ID?
Hillbilly: 'Bout what?
hilarious!
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Thing about these Jewish jokes is they're not racist - if Jewish is a race. They're jokes the Jewish people tell about themselves. That's why they're so good.
Two Rabbis meet in a railway station, one carrying a heavy suitcase. He says 'Well, aren't you going to ask me where I'm going?' And the other one says
'So where are you going?'
'Don't ask, don't ask'.
This thread is taking too long to die :-)
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"PS: FWIW, the ragman really was just being funny by quoting one of the oldest jokes in the world"
Nevershouldhavesoldit
I guess I missed that, N. If so, great.
Marinero
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When I was in graduate school, my department chairman was a fountain of wisdom. His favorite was “Don’t joke with people you don’t know well because they may not know you’re joking.” We all thought he was just a stodgy old fool - but he was not. He was a wise stodgy old fool. Originally Posted by Marinero
FWIW, #2 on his list of aphorisms was “once you’ve said ‘I probably shouldn’t do this’, don’t do it”.
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In Brit-speak, or at least in Cockney, a geezer is any man, however old. As in 'See that geezer over there?'. Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
When I was new here I said geezer to someone, just normally, but I forgot he was American. So I got the 'Who are you calling a geezer???' explosion*. Live and learn. Which is why I'm called 'dude' from time to time, of course.
But your chairman is dead right. Not that it'll quell my irritatingly sunny disposition :-)
* He might have added 'I'm only 58' but I can't remember
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I've suffered from the same affliction since birth. When I was a young college lad, my girlfriend surprised me with a sweater she'd knitted for my birthday. Now this was truly a surprise, because she'd never knitted anything before. When I put it on, it was immediately obvious that she'd either misread the instructions or accidentally sized it as a 52 instead of a 42 - the sleeves hung down to my knees and the waist was just below my nether region. She took one look at it and tearfully cried out "Oh! I wanted it to fit so badly!" Originally Posted by ragman1
When served up a big, fat, slow, juicy pitch directly down the middle, no reasonable man can resist smacking it out of the park. I just blurted out "It does, it does" amid shaking fits of laughter in which she did not join me.
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... that's when I automatically started chuckling! Poor girl, I hope she got over it okay Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
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I call this one Sequel to a Kiss................... Originally Posted by ragman1
... that's when I automatically started chuckling! Poor girl, I hope she got over it okay
She got another 2 years out of the relationship and I thought we were a permanent item. But at the end of our first year in graduate school, her mother finally convinced her that if I really loved her, I'd marry her immediately. She moved out the next morning without a word or a note, and I had no idea where she'd gone or what she was doing for months afterward. I was heartbroken, as I'd planned to marry her as soon as I was certain I could take care of and support a wife. I'd discussed it with her many times, both before and after she applied to graduate schools where I did and moved to Philly with me after college.
I must give her credit for advancing my musical career, though. The week she left, I began playing as many gigs as I could get. For the next 3 years, I played solo jazz at a French cafe from 5 to 9 week nights along with C&W at a dive bar from 10 to 2. And I was playing 2 or 3 weddings, Bar Mitzvahs etc every weekend and filling the odd open time as a sideman in other people's bands. The marathon continued through another serious 18 month relationship and only slowed when I got engaged to the woman with whom I've spent the last 50 years (yes - she's still my one and only wife).
During those 50 years, sweater girl's been married and divorced 3 times.
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I'll jump in very late, breaking from my usual way of doing things here.
After messing with the tune for a few days, I kind of felt there was nothing I could bring to it by treating it as a "play the head, take a solo" tune. So I decided just to play it. I feel this way about quite a few tunes associated with Ellington, actually (Blood Count, Reflections in D, etc). I think if I ever played this live, I'd just improvise an intro, and then play the tune straight through.
Anyway, here's "kiss."
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Many years ago a girlfriend pointed out valentines day was coming up, "yeah, so what?" I replied in my usual non-interest in commercialised ventures. Originally Posted by ragman1
In Brit-speak, or at least in Cockney, a geezer is any man, however old. As in 'See that geezer over there?'.
When I was new here I said geezer to someone, just normally, but I forgot he was American. So I got the 'Who are you calling a geezer???' explosion*. Live and learn. Which is why I'm called 'dude' from time to time, of course.
But your chairman is dead right. Not that it'll quell my irritatingly sunny disposition :-)
* He might have added 'I'm only 58' but I can't remember
"I want hearts and romance" she said looking all doe eyed and expectant.
So I cooked her a meal. As I was serving up she says "mmm that smells good"
I replied "it is good, and all you asked for"
She took a mouthful and asked what it was "stuffed lambs heart" I replied.
She spat out what was left in her mouth and gave me the bride of chucky look.
Suffice to say we did not make it to the next valentines day, and romance was certainly not on the cards that night, which I thought was mean given that the stuffing was homemade and not that nasty paxo stuff.
Some people really don't have a sense of humour.
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" her mother finally convinced her that if I really loved her, I'd marry her immediately. She moved out the next morning without a word or a note . . . During those 50 years, sweater girl's been married and divorced 3 times." Nevershouldhavesoldit
Hi, N,
If you still have it . . . does the sweater fit today? Do you ever wonder what was the fate of the other three sweaters?
Marinero
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She took it back, but it would be a sack on me today too since I still wear the 42L tux in which I got married back in ‘72. Maybe schlepping those big amps was worth something after all. Originally Posted by Marinero
As for her relationships after ours, I can only suggest that her fortunes went downhill after me. She probably still can’t knit anything but her brows.
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Oh dear, poor kid. Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
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