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Originally Posted by ragman1
If I were to pick a quintessentially "Spanish" chord progression, it would be Emaj - Fmaj - Gmaj - Fmaj - Emaj. Apart from obvious ones like Spain or Flamenco Sketches, if I were to pick a jazz standard that seems "Spanish" to me, I'd pick Nardis way before I'd pick SFmF.
Anyway, this horse is long past dead.
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05-11-2022 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by wzpgsr
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Real jazz musicians play blues everywhere.
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by kris
See this from Wiki about 'Unforgettable', another album on which he used nylon strings.
'All tracks on this album are performed on a nylon string guitar'
Unforgettable (Joe Pass album) - Wikipedia
I doubt if he used gut strings. Gut strings are made from animal intestines and were superseded by nylon or synthetic strings. Although I believe you can still get gut strings.
Can you show me something that says he used real gut strings?
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Read more about the design of a classical guitar.
These guitars have very wide necks and the nut is usually 52mm thick. This is troublesome when playing complicated jazz chords. The hand swells ...
I guess that's clear, if not, try it yourself!Last edited by kris; 05-12-2022 at 02:46 AM.
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Joe Pass' Top-5 Solo Albums this mentions nylon strings and also gut strings. Maybe gut is used as slang for any non-metal string? Anyway, there is also nylgut, which is synthetic gut. Nice for jazz on a Ukelele
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Originally Posted by j4zz
I don't have this album in my collection ... my mistake.
A jazz master is known to play.
It is a really very difficult instrument to play jazz.
But is it the full sound of a classical guitar?
Perhaps the recording technique has changed and there are records that sound great with a classical guitar ..
Do you know what classical guitar Joe Pass play?
is it standard nut width?This interests me.
Thanks
kris
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Here these nylons sound very original and I don't know if it was a classical guitar. The sound and playing of Joe Pass was different than on Unforgetteble.
This Cd I have:-):
I Remember Charlie Parker
Recorded in 1979, this record featured selections culled from the same repertoire featured on the two volumes that made up “Charlie Parker With Strings”. Using nylon string guitar (in what may have been a nod to the contemporary presence/influence of Lenny Breau in Los Angeles at the time…I may be projecting here…) Pass is beautifully recorded here. Again, his wonderfully firm right hand touch is clearly captured in a way that was sometimes lost on archtop guitars. (Lest I be accused of being too critical, let it be known that I think his plectrum/archtop tone on the ensemble record “For Django” is a definitive and classic jazz guitar tone. Gorgeous.) Students of jazz guitar arranging will be hard pressed to find better examples than these beautiful settings of “Everything Happens To Me”, “Laura”, “I Didn’t Know What Time It Was” and “Easy To Love”, among others. Joe knew these songs inside and out, playing them with the intimate ease of someone who grew up with these songs and loved them.
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Using a nylon string guitar with the wider neck is just a matter of familiarity, like anything else. Nylon strings don't have the same punch as steel but I suppose he did it for a change. I wouldn't know.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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I played a nylon string for years. It's all a matter of taste. As for Ovations, as far as I remember they weren't popular because, due to their rounded shape, they tended to slide off your leg :-)
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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They must have got the point :-)
I don't know why they never saw it in the first place...
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Wider neck is the basic problem ... but not the only one.
I currently have three classical guitars and these guitars are very different when it comes to playing comfort.
One of my guitar has a standard 52mm nut and it has the best classical sound.
The second one has a 52 mm nut but a shorter - 3/4 scale-the sound is quite good after professional set up.
The third guitar has a 48mm nut and the last one is the most comfortable for playing jazz.It is a Framework modern Classic.
Another problem is the issue of the sound of such a guitar during a concert, but it is a separate problem.
What microphone to use, piezo pick ups etc...When you play alone it is manageable and when you play with a band it is not so easy.
Are there any videos of Joe Pass playing classical guitar?
I'd love to see it.
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I like Baden Powell playing and sound!Great articulation.
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Originally Posted by kris
The nearest thing I've seen is the cover of the album Unforgettable. The headstock of the guitar looks like it might be a nylon string but, if we look closely, it's not. So not even the record people could find one.
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Joe Pass also played nylon-string on a couple of tracks on the early ‘Catch Me’ album, no idea what it was though. (The album cover I have for that LP shows him playing what looks like a steel-string acoustic, just to add to the confusion!).
As to the later albums with nylon-string (Songs for Ellen and Unforgettable), I have seen some comments online suggesting that he used a guitar made by Roger Borys, something like this:
Jazz Classic — Borys Guitars
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Thanks Grahambop.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
And just for giggles (plus the information behind it, if you're not familiar with these), here's the disc itself.
PJ issued some of their jazz on red PVC vinyl, which is not quite as tough as black PVC because the naturally clear vinyl compound is colored by the addition of carbon black. Simple colored pigments do not strengthen the vinyl like carbon black does, and many purists have claimed that records other than black are inferior. Fortunately, it turns out to be a negligible effect that's irrelevant to both quality and longevity. I bought this new in 1963 and dragged it to college, graduate school, and back to my adult home. It lived in my childhood home (I was in high school when I got it). multiple dorm rooms, apartments, and our house over those 60 years before ending up in our current apartment - and it's still as good as new. It's interesting that PJ issued the Sounds of Synanon album (on which Pass finally emerged as the incredible talent he always was) on black vinyl. These are two of my most treasured albums!
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Hi !
I'm a bit late, these are two takes in one...
I'm not very satisfied with the guitar take, I prefer the other one even if it sounds easy.
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Originally Posted by grahambop
But I can't find the text quoted there within the site.
Within the Borys site itself there's this:
'By 1991, Borys guitars were being played by jazz musicians such as Joe Pass, Jimmy Wyble, Emily Remler, Larry Coryell, Larry Koonse, Pat Kelley. Later players such as Smokey Hormel, Vic Juris, Paul Bollenback and Tony D’Caprio, entered his network of musicians'
About — Borys Guitars
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You'd think that somewhere there'd be a photo of Joe Pass with a Borys guitar, especially in Borys' Gallery section, but no. This is proving very elusive, isn't it!
I've just emailed Borys guitars to ask them about it. I'll let you know...
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Soul Serenade
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