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Originally Posted by kris
2) so what?
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01-17-2022 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jameslovestal
As a result of course they play different.
Where I would disagree with the OP is to say this change in the way younger players play reflects societal and technological shifts they have no influence over. Why shouldn’t they play different? Also is this a bad thing? Well yes if you don’t happen to like it, but why should they care?
But could say the same about Liszt v Mozart.
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^Wot Christian said. (Saves me a lot of typing and thinking)
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Music is sound interpreted by people as music.
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Music (in general) is an art form whose medium is sound
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Wow, Kris,
You gave me a perfect example of what I'm describing. In "Autumn in NY/Kreisberg," "Haitian Ballad/Lund," and "Peace/Lund," they cannot play a simple ballad without showcasing their technical improvisations. In Autumn," Kreisberg is chomping at the bit to leave the ballad and finally at 3:08 begins his technical show. In "Haitian Ballad," Lund begins his charge at 4:18. And, finally, in "Peace," he leaves the ballad mode completely for his up-tempo improvs. This IS my problem with younger players. It's as if they don't showcase their technical speed, they feel invalidated as musicians. Let's compare these 3 pieces to a ballad by Chet Baker/Live in Tokyo--"Almost Blue" and the beautiful piano by Harold Danko.
Marinero
Last edited by Marinero; 01-17-2022 at 01:44 PM. Reason: spelling
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music does not require melody, harmony or fixed rhythm
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Originally Posted by SoftwareGuy
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Originally Posted by Marinero
I am a big fun of Chet Baker.
I can listen to his music for hours and I am never bored with his playing.
He was a brilliant performer of jazz ballads.
In fact, I'm more interested in how Chet Baker plays than how many young people play.
Best
Kris
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Some people love old wine, others prefer new wine.
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When a sound is interesting by itself, its music. When it's boring - its not. Hm.
So, there is no boring music. It is just not music if boring
When trying to define what music is, if that definition would match spoken language, then it's you know.. not accurate enough.
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Originally Posted by emanresu
I don't know about the others, but I do.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
Music can do that, if we let it. Peace, if you want it.
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Someone give me a gig so I can complain about it
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I always said Marinero tastes very good.
And this is my cherry:
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Doesn’t ‘younger musicians’ basically mean ‘alive musicians’?
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I agree about the playing of ballads. Decades ago when I first got into jazz it was the-faster-the-better. E.g. I would make my own cassette tapes and only tape the fast songs. I then meet a professional jazz bass player and he schooled me about what was musical.
I still like really swinging music but I mostly tend to listen to medium tempo music and ballads.
Here is a ballet by someone that could do both in spades.
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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Whatever it is, sure ain’t much agreement here on what it might be.
That to me is pretty interesting in itself.
Maybe it’s just imaginary… a chimera.
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Originally Posted by jazzkritter
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"Music is The Healing Force of the Universe". Except in online music forums :-)
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Originally Posted by ccroft
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Look, I never said ALL young jazz players fit into that category. I have noticed, however, a preponderance (I'll use that word) of young players who fit into the category of my OP.
And no, I'm not going to mention any names because I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings like that on social media. I'm not here trying to hurt or embarrass anyone, just discussing music, that's all.
Music = the notes and the spaces between the notes.
Notes + spaces between the notes = music
I stand by that definition of music. I'm just pointing out the importance of the space component because it's just as important as the notes themselves, and that component of music doesn't get discussed enough, so I'm bringing it up.
IMO, you need to be able to play fast too if you want to be a really good player, but you also need to be able to sound great at slow tempos where you've got to leave more space and maybe even play simpler stuff. You should still be able to sound great doing that. Great note selection, great phrasing, and a whole lotta feeling in the improv.
RIP Nick Gravenites
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