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Originally Posted by kris
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01-10-2022 11:40 AM
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This isn't a performance, it's an Irish military pastiche :-)
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I got this from a buddy yesterday, another approach for the 1st part.
I like the descending in steps motion.
/Bmaj7 Ami7/ Gmaj7 Fmi7/ Ebmaj7 / Ami7 D7 /
/Gmaj7 Fmi7/ Ebmaj7 Dbmi7/ Bmaj7 / Fmi7 Bb7 /
Here's a quick video where at first I just try to run chord tones over this part using this concept.
Just some practising, I wish I had more time to really dig into it.
I tried setting up the amp close in front of the phone to cover the unplugged guitar tone. I practice at a low volume!
Last edited by Ronstuff; 01-10-2022 at 01:23 PM.
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I have these two books:
1."Coltrane"- A Players Guide To His Harmony by W.Weiskopf & R.Ricker
2.Vol 75 - [Countdown to Giant steps]-J.Aebersold
There are a lot of exercises about how to play Giant Steps.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by Ronstuff
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Everybody’s at it!
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And I mean EVERYBODY.
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by kris
See, I don't care if I can play Giant Steps or not! I don't care if anybody else can play it either. Especially that little mousey fellow who can do it at 300+. I'm glad I can't do that. It might be very clever but it's shallow and boring.
Anyway, a machine could do it faster and better. Get a machine to play it! But a machine could never put real feeling into Round Midnight or a tune like that. That takes something else. Thank god.Last edited by ragman1; 01-10-2022 at 08:19 PM.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by grahambop
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
I do think it's shallow and boring. It's just an endless stream of notes without any real depth. For me, anyway.
I'm all for players wanting to play a bit faster and with more fluency, I wish I could do it myself, but that sort of ultra-rapid stuff isn't my bag. It's not hostile, or an attack, it's just the way it is. All a matter of taste, I suppose.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Last edited by John A.; 01-10-2022 at 11:45 PM.
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No moderating whatsoever. I'm just the functional hand that posts up the tune, nothing more.
By the way, send me your tunes, John. Soonest in, soonest heard.
Erm, by some odd coincidence I was just looking at your version here. You said you were trying to get it faster but you preferred to do it the way you did. So you also prefer it slower!
I'm not stirring, I was expressing a preference. And I stick to it. And if it provokes a reaction (FAR more hostile than anything I ever said) then good luck to 'em. I tell you, there are some weird people here. I have long ceased caring.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by John A.
Sorry, must be late at night. 2am here.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
I'm sorry to hear that you had a bad experience. I miss your contributions.
I have found that judicious use of the ignore option improves my on-line experience.
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I played it like a waltz, is it a bad thing too ?
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This story has no end ...
Ragman provokes with his playing and statements.
And no one talks about what means to improvise in Giant Steps.
It is a waste of time.
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Originally Posted by kris
It's interesting.
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Originally Posted by kris
Why do people find it so difficult? I'll tell you, not that it's not obvious. Because 99% of people are trained in functional harmony. That is, chord progressions that flow, that make sense, that are pleasantly melodic, or bluesy, or something like that.
The Giant Steps progression is obviously contrived. It's put together to demonstrate (if that's the right word) a concept whereby the keys reflect an augmented triad. Which isn't usual at all. Not only that but the bars and keys cross over into each other. Not only that, but one's supposed to play it at high speed. Apparently, as Graham pointed out, Coltrane practised it for a whole year before he could record it.
So it means you can no longer let your fingers do things semi-automatically, which they will if you're practised enough. Your brain is going to find itself tripped up at every turn. It flies in the face of good practice. It's counter-intuitive.
But, apparently, it's something we want to do. Presumably because it's there. It becomes a challenge. The trouble is there are plenty of people who can play beautifully but find themselves caught out here. So it's a quandary - do it or desert it. If you can do it you're a hero, if you desert it you're chicken, or useless.
Rather sad, isn't it? It entirely overlooks the fact that some peoples' brains work naturally faster than others. Playing extremely rapidly is easy for them, practice or no practice. Others find themselves left far behind, like a race. So it engenders winners and losers. It becomes competitive, comparative. It encourages envy. We need to do it to keep in with the in-crowd, and all that - all the sort of thinking that's the bane of this world.
So I decline, personally. But I can sort of play it in my own way. Which is good enough for me. But I've no interest in torturing myself, that's for sure.
As for actually playing it, I have no idea. There are lots of tricks and shortcuts about but basically you just have to do it till you can do it. If you think it's worth it, that is.
Deep down, I suppose I wish I could do it. I could romp through it and that would be that. But I can't, so too bad! Such is life :-)
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