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A few minutes at lunch today. I'm busier than I care to go into, but I had to try this one!
I'll listen to everyone tonight.
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10-25-2021 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Peterson
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by PetersonOriginally Posted by ragman1
Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
i will definitely keep on 'beating it up' since that just seems to come naturally to me, LOL.
Also thanks for the input on the solo. i will try to record another version with that in mind.
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Thanks!!
I recorded the first minutes of playing today. Before tuning, sorry about that.
And one of me trying to break out of the eight note cage
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Originally Posted by Peterson
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About time....
Here's my take:
Any kind of feedback welcome as always.
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OK, a few thoughts ...
Doglet: I thought your second one was well ahead of the first. I think it could still use some sharpening up (you're behind the beat quite a bit), and I get the sense from some of the stumbles and hesitations that you're not entirely certain of the changes as you're playing, so maybe you need to internalize the tune a bit more. But there's some good stuff happening in terms of the actual ideas and phrasing. Nice guitar sound, too; I'm tempted to do another with my strat ...
Peterson: I have pretty much the same comment as I had for Doglet. Getting there, and I like the way you're exploring phrasing. Also, a great sounding guitar. But overall, quite a bit of hesitance.
Rags: Kudos for turning a burning bop tune into a Latin ballad
Which brings me to the whole fast vs slow question. I think this is a fast tune that should be played fast. Maybe not crazy Miles "Four and More" fast, but upwards of 160 BPM. Mine was about 210-15 (the backing track jumps around by a few BM so I couldn't pin it down to an exact tempo), and that feels like about where it's usually played at jams. I've experienced it being called faster than I can keep up with, and even here I wasn't as crisp as I should be, so I'm not holding my own playing up as an example. I'm just saying I think fast should be the goal. I'm not absolutist about this, and think it's OK to slow tunes down, e.g., for the sake of learning, or if you're really going to re-work it aesthetically. But if you're just going to play the tune in the tradition of how it's mainly treated, there are fast ones and slow ones, and this is a fast one. I also think playing it up forces you to address technical and familiarity problems, so mastering it faster will ultimately yield a better performance at any tempo. You're all free to disagree, obviously.
Ron: Nice one. Great phrasing, time, and tone. Now let's hear you with your bassist buddy.
Jeff: Really good. I get the sense of you being in command of the tune and just flowing. Would love to hear more.
Lawson: Thanks for your kind words. I'm sure you can play this tune well.
Wxyzpdqasaptgif: Looking forward to hearing you, too. You've sounded great on the last few.
Clint55: I thought the right hand was pretty good -- you're playing the tune, making the changes, decent phrasing and ideas. But overall, it sounds really stiff to me; the pedal-bass and drum track seem to be locking you into this very straight, almost march-like feel that doesn't really swing. Also, I hear a ton of key-click/percussion in the sound, which I think detracts a bit. What if you tried it without a rhythm track, did mainly walking bass (or a less lock-step pattern) on the keyboard (only kicking for accents), and let it breathe a bit more? I think that would be more fun to listen to.
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Originally Posted by John A.
Food for thought - thanks. I'm playing it fairly slow myself here and that's because I'm not comfortable enough with playing the changes (plus there's at least two sets I've been working with).
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Originally Posted by TOMMO
I hope that strikes you as a positive word!
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Glad that my modest take is an inspiration for you. I'm looking forward to hear yours!
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TOMMO -
I knew you could do it. Good lord :-)
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Originally Posted by John A.
But I might plead guilty to ballad :-)
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Originally Posted by ragman1
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by John A.
But, just to really irritate you, always a pleasure, here's a nice slow one. Now this one's definitely a ballad. But I admit to liking it.
Strangely, I don't think it changes the nature of the tune to any great extent. It's just more exciting done fast.
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Beautiful! Question is: is that still the tune? Or does it become something entirely different by changing the tempo so drastically?
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Fun week, lots to listen to! Here's a few noticings...
Doglet, some nice lines in both of your takes...it's an easy song to start meandering on, quite an improvement from your second take compared to first...you can hear how much better your time is in the second take...that's confidence growing. Good stuff.
Rag, some nice singing lines that would work well at a higher tempo too. I need to remember to do more of that on "burners."
Ron, classy playing, in pocket, swinging, and unhurried. Love it.
Clint, how fun to hear organ! I think someone else mentioned a bit of stiffness, might be as much or more from the backing track as you, really. I shouldn't really comment on organ as I can't play it at all, but I liked it and I hope to hear more.
John, first of all, big ups for going with the fast track-- I tried it and I kept blowing the head worrying about what I was going to play in my solo! Your time really settles in about a minute in, when you really get cooking. Fun stuff, great playing.
Peterson, so I did this weird thing with your first take, as straight 8ths that slow do weird things to my ear...so I opened it up in YouTube and played it at 1.5 speed...and it was great...swinging, in pocket, great lines. And then you further proved it with your second video which was definitely more rhyhmically interesting, but contained more nice swinging playing and great lines.
TOMMO, you picked a good one, and I enjoyed your take too. You have some of the same "unhurried" quality Ron has in his take, you're not letting the song play you. Well done.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Thank you very much Jeff!
I would love to know how you approach tunes like this. You have a bluesy vibe in many of your takes, present but not overpowering. Do you have time to share?
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Originally Posted by TOMMO
The question then would be: does what had been played previously contradict the melody? Does the ear say 'where did that come from?!'. Personally, I don't think it does but I don't know if you'd agree.
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Originally Posted by ragman1
Yes - I did listen to the end and heard the melody there. If I didn't know it is meant to be a certain tune it would strike me more as a melodic quote. Same chord progression doesn't mean much as we all know.
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Originally Posted by TOMMO
Yes - I did listen to the end and heard the melody there. If I didn't know it is meant to be a certain tune it would strike me more as a melodic quote. Same chord progression doesn't mean much as we all know.
If I can say so, don't forget I've done three versions here now. The first one was fairly quick (for me) in F, the second was medium in C, and this one, slow, in Eb. And they were all done with different harmonies, none were the same.
The first didn't have a head at all, the second one had the head both ends, and this one only has it at the end.
You can't say I'm not trying!
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