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    This week's tune choice is courtesy of TripleJazz

    JGBE Virtual Jam (Round 15) - Along Came Betty-1619098747861-jpg

    Notes from TripleJazz: Here are my thoughts about this tune. It’s a great song from a legendary album. I always love when it comes on and have been inspired for years to try learning it. I started with the head and worked on a chord melody last fall. I’d play along to jam tracks for weeks and just can’t get a good feel to improvise over it. I bring this tune this week as a way to hear others approach and get a variety of samples from this wonderful group of virtual jammers. I look forward to the discussion of the tune.

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    Here’s a cut I did in the shed about 3 weeks ago. I’ve tried a few more cuts recently but they are awful. I hope to hear some great versions and get inspired, then I’ll cut one toward end of week. I have a sheet I can post soon as I get home. Sorry for my poor audio.
    Thanks Mr. B


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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_Jazz
    Here’s a cut I did in the shed about 3 weeks ago. I’ve tried a few more cuts recently but they are awful. I hope to hear some great versions and get inspired, then I’ll cut one toward end of week. I have a sheet I can post soon as I get home. Sorry for my poor audio.
    Thanks Mr. B

    Nice string of lines around the :30 mark, and another short lick I really liked around 1:00. Have you ever tried transcribing yourself? Could be fun and useful to transcribe a chorus of one’s own playing, and sort of massage it so that it’s the best version of what came out during the improv.

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    Benny Golson tunes, always a challenge for me...
    I'm reading it here, used to know it better but I haven't checked it in a while.
    The kind of tune I should shed quite a bit more before recording. You get the raw thing here...
    I did get to plug a couple altered type lines I've been working on.
    Good choice Triple Jazz and we are Ibanez Semi-Hollow buddies on this one!

    Last edited by Ronstuff; 04-22-2021 at 09:42 PM.

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    Great choice of tune.

    One where the melody and harmony are so in sync, it feels like you don't need to solo and you aren't going to improve on the melody if you do.

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    I'll throw one in too.



    Rp hit the nail on the head...you almost have to stay kind of close to the melody.

    So speaking of which, Triple, I thought your chord melody was great. Your improvised chorus had lots of good moments too...you can hear how you settle in halfway though...those "minor chords a half step apart" bars are hard...there's not much that sounds right on them other than the melody.

    Rp, nice relaxed swinging take. Again I hear you close to the melody , and that sounds "right" to me.

    Ron, another great take. Bass playet's groove is undeniable...I can hear how it inspires you to take some chances, because you know he'll hold it down. Thats a great feeling, ain't it?

    This should be a great week...this is a great tune, it's not "hard"...but it sure ain't easy, either

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    JGBE Virtual Jam (Round 15) - Along Came Betty-along-came-betty-png

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    I'll throw one in too.

    This should be a great week...this is a great tune, it's not "hard"...but it sure ain't easy, either
    You found some blues/soul in the tune that I didn't realize was there. Sounded great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronstuff
    Benny Golson tunes, always a challenge for me...
    I'm reading it here, used to know it better but I haven't checked it in a while.
    The kind of tune I should shed quite a bit more before recording. You get the raw thing here...
    I did get to plug a couple altered type lines I've been working on.
    Good choice Triple Jazz and we are Ibanez Semi-Hollow buddies on this one!

    Raw was great. You’re onto something cool with that really subtle octave effect, too.

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    Possibly the ugliest melody in the world...

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    Learn a lot about bebop vocab looking at the head of this one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1
    Possibly the ugliest melody in the world...
    Possibly one of the dumbest comments in the world...

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    I just can't get away from the idea that Betty is about six-two, 350 pounds, and looks like Angelica Houston... but it could be sleep deprivation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1
    Possibly the ugliest melody in the world...
    JGBE Virtual Jam (Round 15) - Along Came Betty-ugly_betty_s01e01-png

    I can't agree that it's "ugly," I think it's great actually, and very catchy...but I do agree it's not "pretty" in the sense of this being a love song...it's not "Along Came Betty and she completed my life." Maybe it's more "Along Came Betty and shit got really interesting."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1
    Possibly the ugliest melody in the world...
    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    Learn a lot about bebop vocab looking at the head of this one...
    Yes, you can't just read the melody off the lead sheet and expect it to sound right. If you follow the recording and mark all the accents, staccato notes, and phrases and then play it, the melody comes alive with intent.

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    Definitely sleep deprivation... should have been Anjelica. Huston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    Learn a lot about bebop vocab looking at the head of this one...
    Hey Christian, can you, briefly explain what you mean by this ?
    ..I really have no idea what I'm asking for here. Thanks and sorry -lol

    I'm taking a basic run through the chords, it looks very strange but sounds very nice !
    You guys are doing a great job of making music on this !

    Cheers,
    Mike

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    Not Christian, but I think he means a few things--

    The rhythms, particularly the 8th notes, syncopation, and triplets.

    The enclosures on certain melody notes.

    And there's some chromaticism in the melody too.

    This would be on my short list of songs to play people if they asked me what jazz sounded like.

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    Thanks to everyone with positive comments and constructive advice. I never really considered what a great tool it would be to follow the melody more while blowing’, I think that’s great advice to follow.

    Some awesome clips so far! Here’s a guy who makes this song really sound beautiful.

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    A few more for listening:





    And rag, I enjoyed hearing you with a track. Good call...this one needs a swinging rhythm section (or at least a damn good bassist)

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    I just love the title

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont;[URL="[URL
    tel:1116579[/URL]"]1116579[/URL]]A few more for listening:



    [video=youtube_share;zsD7depAGNs]
    You can always count on finding a Pat Martino version of a JGO virtual jam pick

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    Sheryl Baily takes possession of this tune


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    I suppose I should be more efficient about this and just play a quick chorus instead of the whole tune, but no, I had to learn the head. I had no time at all during the week. I put some time in this afternoon, then finally a chance to record some improvisation this evening.. Tough one, but I like it. It's got that 60s Horace Silver sort of groove and longer form with Golson twists and turns modal concept, but filled with bop-isms. The history of postwar jazz in one one tune. I enjoyed blowing over the form a lot.



    TripleSec -- some cool chord moves there and tasty lines there.
    Ron -- Very cool, and great to listen to people actually playing together. Great "self-comping" and harmonization of your lines.
    RP -- yeah, very nice indeed.
    Mr. B -- good energy and ideas. Love the blues licks, and then bopping out at the end.
    Whoa, Rags, you OK man? A backing track? Sounds cool, though.
    Last edited by John A.; 04-25-2021 at 12:50 PM.

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    And this is how it's done on our instrument fellas ...


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    John, nice take! That snappy tone seems to inspire you to sit back in the beat a bit, and that's a feel I love.

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    What a beautiful tune. Has everything in it that makes jazz what it is. Call and response, motivic development, swing, great lines and what not. Still learning the melody. This is one of those that can make me happy just to play the head/melody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronstuff;[URL="tel:1116390"
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    I did get to plug a couple altered type lines I've been working on.
    Sounds great! Where did you find the best areas to drop altered lines in? There doesn’t seem a lot of typical II-V(alt)-I spots that are obvious to me.

    BTW
    Ragman, 350 pounds of more lovin’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_Jazz View Post
    350 pounds of more lovin’
    JGBE Virtual Jam (Round 15) - Along Came Betty-images3-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triple_Jazz View Post
    Sounds great! Where did you find the best areas to drop altered lines in? There doesn’t seem a lot of typical II-V(alt)-I spots that are obvious to me.

    BTW
    Ragman, 350 pounds of more lovin’
    Without getting too deep into this(and you probably know anyway), there's the concept that most dominant chords can be played with altered notes played over them. Especially playing in duo with a bass player, it's wide open.
    I relistened and I really don't do that much of this afterall. But I did it on the last chords of the A and B sections at certain points.
    But all the min II-V's are great for this and there are quite a few of them.
    The one thing I did more of is self-comping. When I first heard Lenny Breau, I flipped out over how great he was at doing it.
    When playing without comping I like to get some of that going! Kurt Rosenwinkel is also a master at it, and well a bunch of other players really.

    Like Jeff mentioned it's fun playing with a really solid bass player, it opens up the territory for trying stuff. I do that much more when I know the tune well enough, which isn't the case with Along Came Betty!

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    Here's mine. I tried to use the Aebersold backing, but the piano was horribly sharp, I got fed up tuning my guitar up to it! So I used BIAB instead and went for a samba feel (probably as a result of listening to Sheryl Bailey and Pat Martino!).


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop View Post
    Here's mine. I tried to use the Aebersold backing, but the piano was horribly sharp, I got fed up tuning my guitar up to it! So I used BIAB instead and went for a samba feel (probably as a result of listening to Sheryl Bailey and Pat Martino!).

    One of things I admire about this (and your other clips) is the precision of the placement of each note, adding up to great time feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar View Post
    One of things I admire about this (and your other clips) is the precision of the placement of each note, adding up to great time feel.
    Thanks RP. That’s definitely something I’ve tried to work on, ever since I was appalled to hear how sloppy my time was when I first started recording! I think you just have to try and develop a sense of good time internally somehow, and be able to hear and know immediately when your time is drifting. I’ve done the occasional bit of metronome practice, that probably helps too.

    I think it’s a bit easier to stay in time on these ‘straight-eighths’ type things than on swing, at least I find it so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop View Post
    Here's mine. I tried to use the Aebersold backing, but the piano was horribly sharp, I got fed up tuning my guitar up to it! So I used BIAB instead and went for a samba feel (probably as a result of listening to Sheryl Bailey and Pat Martino!).


    YEAH! Feeling it.

    There was some rhythmic stuff followed by a super long line on your last A the first time through that absolutely floored me. That's how I wanna play when I grow up.

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    Thanks Jeff! Trying to figure out what I did there...I think it was some kind of ascending Dbm arp figure in 2 octaves (over the Bbmin7b5 chord) then some kind of bebop chromatic run down and diminished thing on the Eb7.

    The arp thing probably came out of a Pat Martino linear expressions line, I learned a couple of those once.

    I should probably learn some more of them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop View Post
    Here's mine. I tried to use the Aebersold backing, but the piano was horribly sharp, I got fed up tuning my guitar up to it! So I used BIAB instead and went for a samba feel (probably as a result of listening to Sheryl Bailey and Pat Martino!).

    Great job grahambop!
    Wonderful playing as usual and great tone.
    Always enjoy your videos.

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    Thanks MtnCat.

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    This from the guy Bernstein was playing with on that other impressive vid.


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    Okay, it's Thursday, so last blast on this. Tune at the end.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ragman1 View Post
    Okay, it's Thursday, so last blast on this. Tune at the end.

    Cool stuff, I heard like a Beatles motif in there. That Joachim clip above was killer!

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    Beatles motif
    Really, where? Don't ask me, I've no idea!

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    So I was posting on Tune up... figured I should post Vid of Miss Betty.
    Just did it... just recorded backing tract and played one time through... sorry, it's loose. But that's how it is in real world at gigs.

    At gigs you would at least have interaction and we would listen and adjust as we want. yada yada