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    Not sure if this is a good idea but what the heck. I see one quarantine challenge after another come by on FB. How about one here? Cherokee was already a test piece in the 40s ...

    IMHO Cherokee is not really a hard tune if you play it in a moderate tempo. It has that reputation but ... the A section is in one key center and is straightforward (and allows for many approaches). The bridge is just a few II-V-I's after each other so with a few different key changes. I'd like the challenge to be about real improvisation and linear playing because there's more than enough (prefab) chord melody stuff here in the first place.

    Here's the challenge:

    • Post a vid of one single unedited take (no audio)
    • No chords, no octaves (only linear playing)
    • Leave out the head
    • Use the entire backing if you can
    • do not play transcribed solos by others, improvise


    Here's the backing. It is pretty comfortable at 220 and is compulsory. It is pretty neutral and one of the less annoying backings on Youtube for this tune:



    I'd appreciate it if this thread steers clear of theoretical dissertations ... Let's see what happens. Sucking is allowed.

    DB

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
    ... Sucking is allowed.
    Ha! Beautiful.

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    I'm up for it, great tune for blowing on.

    By the way I've extracted the audio as an MP3 from that youtube video and attached it below, handy for recording with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    I'm up for it, great tune for blowing on.

    By the way I've extracted the audio as an MP3 from that youtube video and attached it below, handy for recording with.
    Great. I knew you'd go for it. The backing is tolerable right? I hate most backings for this tune on the Tube.

    DB

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    Also, you could learn Bird's solo.


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    Bud Powell


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    I'm in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    I'm in.
    I'm out....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    I'm in.
    I had not expected anything less from you.

    DB

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    I'm tempted to join this project... somebody has to post the clip that makes everyone say "Hey I can do better than that!"

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    Ok, here we go. Plenty of notes I want back, and lacks direction overall...but I wanted to go into this challenge "unrehearsed" and basically cold.

    So heres an okayish Cherokee


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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    I'm tempted to join this project... somebody has to post the clip that makes everyone say "Hey I can do better than that!"
    Nah. Join in man.

    DB

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Ok, here we go. Plenty of notes I want back, and lacks direction overall...but I wanted to go into this challenge "unrehearsed" and basically cold.

    So heres an okayish Cherokee

    Thanks for participating. A brave attempt so quickly ... A big challenge is the length of the impro so maintaining the flow and find stuff to keep it interesting. That is probably the greatest challenge for all.

    DB

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
    Thanks for participating. A brave attempt so quickly ... A big challenge is the length of the impro so maintaining the flow and find stuff to keep it interesting. That is probably the greatest challenge for all.

    DB
    Definitely. One chorus, I'm good to go...but stretching out...something I need to spend a lot more time on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Ok, here we go. Plenty of notes I want back, and lacks direction overall...but I wanted to go into this challenge "unrehearsed" and basically cold.

    So heres an okayish Cherokee

    That swings and flows very nicely. Dug the hell out of it. Thanks for not shredding all over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter C
    That swings and flows very nicely. Dug the hell out of it. Thanks for not shredding all over it.
    Durn you Tal!


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
    Durn you Tal!

    Thanks Peter. It has some moments o like...and some that make me cringe.

    I feel like we've discussed this Tal version before...what is it, like 380 or something? Tal's barely hanging on...but...he IS hanging on. That's amazing in it's own right. Like, whoa.

    Guitar wise, Jimmy Raney's version from "in paris" is like 320, I think...its still "musical." Raney was fucking amazing.

    C'mon y'all jump in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Ok, here we go. Plenty of notes I want back, and lacks direction overall...but I wanted to go into this challenge "unrehearsed" and basically cold.

    So heres an okayish Cherokee

    That made my day. A lesson in jazz vocabulary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Ok, here we go. Plenty of notes I want back, and lacks direction overall...but I wanted to go into this challenge "unrehearsed" and basically cold.

    So heres an okayish Cherokee
    That has a kind of Charlie Christian vibe to my ears, I enjoyed it a lot.

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    I play it every day with the Ralph Patt backing tracks at 340bpm, so 220 is a breeze.
    At 340, with multi choruses, it's a great workout after my usual 2-3 hours of technique practice. When I first tried it at that tempo, I fell flat on my face, but after a week or so of doing it every day, I can get creative on it, without repeating rote ideas.

    I'd join in, but I don't have a camera on my old monitor or a video camera.
    Another great way to practice it is with the Jamey Aebersald backing tracks that has Cherokee in all twelve keys, at a blazing tempo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    That has a kind of Charlie Christian vibe to my ears, I enjoyed it a lot.

    Thanks to all of you who listened.

    And a special thanks to Graham, because any comparison to the most important guitar player in history is something I take as a very high compliment.

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    Well done, Mr.B, well done!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
    [...] Here's the challenge:

    • Post a vid of one single unedited take (no audio)
    • No chords, no octaves (only linear playing)
    • Leave out the head
    • Use the entire backing if you can
    • do not play transcribed solos by others, improvise
    Okay, I'm in the dark. No audio? You mean Mr. Beaumont's entry is invalid?

    Or what audio do you want excluded? Or am I being incredibly dense here (always a strong possibility)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukena
    Okay, I'm in the dark. No audio? You mean Mr. Beaumont's entry is invalid?

    Or what audio do you want excluded? Or am I being incredibly dense here (always a strong possibility)?
    I think DB means no "audio ONLY" clips--it has to be certifiably US who are doing the playing. Has to be video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    That made my day. A lesson in jazz vocabulary!
    Lawson, re: vocab--keep in mind, I pronounced a bunch of stuff wrong.

    Have I mentioned how much I hate the jazz is language metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
    I know how to make a decent audio clip. Will phone video/sound be good enough?

    But will it be me? Is there some pro player who wants to sound like this? To quote Abraham Lincoln, "if I had two faces, would I be wearing this one?"
    The camera on any phone is better than the first 5-6 digital cameras/video cameras anybody's ever owned. Of course it's good enough! Join us!

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    You did great Jeff! Cold take? Even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ukena
    Okay, I'm in the dark. No audio? You mean Mr. Beaumont's entry is invalid?

    Or what audio do you want excluded? Or am I being incredibly dense here (always a strong possibility)?
    people just want to see your fingers move

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
    I know how to make a decent audio clip. Will phone video/sound be good enough? But will it be me? Is there some pro player who wants to sound like this? To quote Abraham Lincoln, "if I had two faces, would I be wearing this one?"
    It's video only for this challenge. You have a Youtube channel with videos so I take it a video won't be a problem.

    DB

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    I think DB means no "audio ONLY" clips--it has to be certifiably US who are doing the playing. Has to be video.
    Well, it's not necessarily that I won't know who is playing for I have no clue what most people here look like. The reason is simply that audio clips can be easily edited in any virtual studio and then you have guys editing out mistakes or combining difference solos which is against the spirit of jazz.

    The challenge is one video take with NO editing.

    DB

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    Here's my entry. One take, no editing. Since bebop is my thing, that's the way I approach any tune.

    DB


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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Ok, here we go. Plenty of notes I want back, and lacks direction overall...but I wanted to go into this challenge "unrehearsed" and basically cold.

    So heres an okayish Cherokee

    Loved it. I got it from your channel didn't know that it was a challenge here.
    I'll give a try...
    Last edited by clebergf; 04-01-2020 at 11:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Lawson, re: vocab--keep in mind, I pronounced a bunch of stuff wrong.

    Have I mentioned how much I hate the jazz is language metaphor?
    Actually I have issues with it too (as a philologist). I tend to think of it more like a literary style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
    Here's my entry. One take, no editing. Since bebop is my thing, that's the way I approach any tune.

    DB

    Great stuff here...nice bop lines, blues inflections, and variations in space...

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    I love those duos videos from Frank.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    Sounding great right here, man.

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    So... I suspect I'll not be posting here... the pitching is already too fast for me to even strike out.

    I'm still working on finding the chord-tones...

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    Someone wanted to see lots of fingers, so here you go! (one take, with 2 cameras).


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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    So... I suspect I'll not be posting here... the pitching is already too fast for me to even strike out.

    I'm still working on finding the chord-tones...
    Nah, post away. I'm not on the level of some of these guys...I post anyway.

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    I just go straight to youtube from my phone. Never had an issue.

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    "I have no kick against modern jazz
    Unless they try to play it too darn fast
    And change the beauty of the melody
    Until it sounds just like a symphony"

    I'm struggling with 180 here .....
    I'll see you in a few months


    Hey I can play the tune ok ..... Innit



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    Quote Originally Posted by clebergf
    I love those duos videos from Frank.

    Frank's sweeeeeet comping.... totally distracted me from Martin's solo! (in a good way, that is!)

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    Here's my shot at it. Was a bit hard to use a backing atm, (cause I'm 450kms away from home where most of my stuff was due to the happy world situation..), so I just played a bass line on a looper pedal, and some chords that come in later, matching the tempo. I hope it's not too much of a distraction..

    I wish I had taken a small mixer and a couple of mics with me..

    My whole approach when practicing there tunes is to try to develop a flow. I remember something Harrison Fewell had said to me, when transcribing Pat Martino solos, about what a flow Pat has, and how ideas keep coming one after the other. Then of course, over choruses, you come across your limitations, try to stretch your vocabulary, which I guess is the whole idea behind a tune workout.

    There's a lot to be said about rpjazzguitars approach as well, trying to play in a more minimal and motivic way. The "play slow" thread will be interesting!


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    Cherokee again... It's been a minute, why not! I haven't played jazz in a while, and just to play lines and no chords wow not my style, but rules are rules! Here we go, from China with love.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
    Cherokee again... It's been a minute, why not! I haven't played jazz in a while, and just to play lines and no chords wow not my style, but rules are rules! Here we go, from China with love.

    Really like your style. Swings hard, you use accents like punctuation...I dig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    I'm up for it, great tune for blowing on.

    By the way I've extracted the audio as an MP3 from that youtube video and attached it below, handy for recording with.

    Graham why thank you so much for that, { my M Gove defacto insincere start of any reply }

    Graham i know you know how to use ireal, which is all that is, but played in ballad swing shunted up to 220bmp etc. if you want better Kwality my boy export as wav or blah


    hugs from the island of France

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    That has a kind of Charlie Christian vibe to my ears, I enjoyed it a lot.

    its the repeated notes, which i not normally fond of, but, . when played well like Mr B here sounds good, Barney K also did the same,

    CC also did that repeated thang............................................. ...


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    Dudes,

    There is a mystery guest who wants to participate in the Cherokee challenge. He/she plays it a bit faster though at 296 bpm and alas, no video for this particular take. Be nice. He/she is a good friend ...

    New but related challenge: guess the player!

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/c7uplsin1d...anges.mp3?dl=0