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I haven't done much analysis of pre-bebop jazz but I hear a certain "sweetness" in Django, CC or Dixieland that I associate with the use of a lot of primary chord tones (with embellishments). Did they use upper extensions on down beats like bebop and onwards?
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11-09-2018 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Oh, and don't land on the root of the chord as often.
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All of this is very interesting. There is only one little problem:
There is no such thing as a "CST player", as apart from a modern jazz player.
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Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Regarding students, today they are taught how to improvise both traditional changes and modal, non-functional, etc. stuff. That's a pretty big challenge given that they're learning how to improvise, period.
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Players do still end up specialising tho.
And for those who develop a more modal language will take that into their straight ahead playing. Tbh I think that’s good - people have a voice.
(Vice Versa I think of Mike Stern as a very bop player who makes his thing work on fusion.)
That said it was pretty striking to me the percentage of contemporary players who have gone through a heavy bop phase, usually quite early on. Even players where you would be hard pushed to hear bop in their playing today....
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That makes a lot of sense to me. One has to play changes, outline chords, be fluent in the jazz language. The great post-bop players learned bop first of course, and it certainly helped them. I think that musicians who play modal stuff most of the time probably aren't as effective with traditional tunes/styles - and vice versa.
The other day while driving home I was listening to RealJazz on Sirius XM. I heard Trane on Naima (version linked to above), and also Parker on My Little Suede Shoes. I thought to myself, I need to learn BOTH of those solos!
I'll probably never get around to it, but still...
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Giant Steps
Satellite
John Coltrane’s solos on both the above.
Lots of 1 2 3 1 and 1 2 3 5 patterns that outline the underlying chords.
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Originally Posted by Rsilver
Regardless, they can be played faster than arpeggios in a lot of cases, yet sound "bigger" than scales because of the skip...
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