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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt View Post
    All of this is very interesting. There is only one little problem:

    There is no such thing as a "CST player", as apart from a modern jazz player.

    There are definitely players who are more modal and players who are more harmonic.

  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    There are definitely players who are more modal and players who are more harmonic.
    Yeah, I think that is a much more accurate way to say it because I believe that it's a result of the music itself changing. Players aren't limited to being the next Ben Webster anymore. I think we could say that Miles saw to that.

    Regarding students, today they are taught how to improvise both traditional changes and modal, non-functional, etc. stuff. That's a pretty big challenge given that they're learning how to improvise, period.

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    Players do still end up specialising tho.

    And for those who develop a more modal language will take that into their straight ahead playing. Tbh I think that’s good - people have a voice.

    (Vice Versa I think of Mike Stern as a very bop player who makes his thing work on fusion.)

    That said it was pretty striking to me the percentage of contemporary players who have gone through a heavy bop phase, usually quite early on. Even players where you would be hard pushed to hear bop in their playing today....

  4. #34
    That makes a lot of sense to me. One has to play changes, outline chords, be fluent in the jazz language. The great post-bop players learned bop first of course, and it certainly helped them. I think that musicians who play modal stuff most of the time probably aren't as effective with traditional tunes/styles - and vice versa.

    The other day while driving home I was listening to RealJazz on Sirius XM. I heard Trane on Naima (version linked to above), and also Parker on My Little Suede Shoes. I thought to myself, I need to learn BOTH of those solos!

    I'll probably never get around to it, but still...

  5. #35

    Lots of Coltrane

    Giant Steps

    Satellite

    John Coltrane’s solos on both the above.

    Lots of 1 2 3 1 and 1 2 3 5 patterns that outline the underlying chords.

  6. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Rsilver View Post
    Giant Steps

    Satellite

    John Coltrane’s solos on both the above.

    Lots of 1 2 3 1 and 1 2 3 5 patterns that outline the underlying chords.
    Yes, some people call patterns like 1235 "scale patterns" others call them "digital patterns", others call them "cells".

    Regardless, they can be played faster than arpeggios in a lot of cases, yet sound "bigger" than scales because of the skip...

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