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Originally Posted by Lark
For me there is another step in the learning process. That is making the material my own. I do this by coming up with additional vocabulary influenced by the Conti vocabulary. This is done by writing my own lines in the style, I write down/notate the lines in my "lick diary". The way I approach "lick" learning is being able to morph a single lick into many lines. I posted this video in the previous thread that illustrates the morphing of a lick:
So for me there are four steps and this final fourth step is the most important to me and is where most of the learning happens.
Everyone is at different stages along the path so what is most important to me might not line up with what is most important to others. For instance I think rhythm is extremely important, but I consider my rhythm skills to be pretty good compared to the rest of my skills. (I do practice rhythm though, on drums and percussion instruments)
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05-11-2018 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Lark
I have found that learning a solo note for note is never just learning the solo note for note. I notice all kinds of connections and devices that repeat and show up in various new forms. Conti is good at taking just 2 or 3 concepts and running them through lots of different harmonic environments. It's like learning a language by immersion instead of memorizing conjugations.
It's also a very low-pressure, easy way to learn. Worst case scenario is you have something to play on that tune if you ever perform it. Not a loss at all!
Fact is, a lot of us were burned out on more "advanced" and more "complicated" approaches, and just wanting a playing-centered, common sense, low theory-overhead learning process to do with some others and have some fun posting the clips. Conti is absolutely perfect for that, and lines I thought were "corny" when I learned them have found a place in my playing now that I'm very happy about.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Conti's up front about what he does: vary lines in many ways to fit them into different musical contexts. Also, in the TTI volumes, he says he is simplifying the lines to make them manageable for less advanced players. But having learned several of those pieces, one has become a more advanced player. So lines that are long and dazzling will not seem so overwhelming. It is more like: "Oh, there's that thing he does in such-and-such solo, only here he goes into the thing from so-and-so solo. Sweet!"
Also, some of the "Jazz Lines" are flashy while being coherent on their own, so they could be used as a cadenza, or as an intro, or a seque between one tune and another. (It's kind of like "The Formula," only for lead lines instead of chords.)
After Volume 4, some may want to go on to that. Some may not. Time will tell.Last edited by MarkRhodes; 05-12-2018 at 10:06 AM.
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Originally Posted by fep
He has talked about how much Johnny Smith and Howard Roberts influenced him. Another player could have been heavily influenced by those same two players yet not sound a lot like Conti.
Clint Strong, the subject of another current thread, was heavily influenced by Howard Roberts but does not sound like Conti. However, like Conti, he uses certain lines and phrases over and over in various situations.
Each of them found 'his own thing' and that's what Conti wants us to do. (I imagine Clint would say the same thing.) Get lines under your fingers, experiment with them, find what you like and play that...)
Another part of the "process" (and this is one Jimmy Bruno emphasizes) is linking your ear and your hands, so that as you improvise, you can actually play on the guitar the lines you hear in your head. (Not as easy as it looks!) ;o)
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Better but not quite there yet.
Maybe coming back to it after learning the next solo will do the trick...
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Here is my take on bars 1-24. I hope to post one more video with the head and solo before moving on to the next project. Cheers!
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I noticed my last few videos have looked like this: Ibanez headstock front and center. That wasn't the goal but it seems to be a by-product of the most convenient way I have found to set up the camera in relation to the chair I sit in to practice. I'm okay with it.
Mic might have been too close to the amp again....
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So I made the mistake of taking out the "All Blues" solo and fooling around with it. A video should come up in a day or so.
You guys... I can't stay away.
I should be in some kind of recovery group.
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Recovery? Lawson, that's for people who want to quit something harmful to them. Playing guitar is good for you! Think of it as a spiritual exercise and you say you need to exercise daily. ;o) That is not the whole truth but it is not false.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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Here is my final take for Project 2A.
Miles Davis' All Blues was another tune that I had never tackled before. So I dug up a lesson by Richie Zellon (on YouTube) to learn the basic melody. I played the solo straight from the Robert Conti lesson.
If the group is ready to move on to Project 2B (another solo over the changes to All Blues), please post a quick note.
Cheers,
Joe
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I learned both the 2A and 2B solos plus a simple version of the head. I made a recording a couple weeks ago but wasn't happy with it and haven't found time to re-record. Work and family have suddenly gotten in the way, but I should be back at it soon. I can record and post in the 2B thread if that gets started soon. I'm not quitting!
I enjoyed the discussion about Conti's method. I liked the statement about how the worst-case scenario is that we have some cool material memorized, or something along those lines. I plan to finish all four TTI videos, one or more advanced solos, and then The Jazz Lines book/dvd. Maybe I'll throw in The Precision Technique before or in conjunction with the advanced solos if needed. I'm sure it won't be all I need to become a killer soloist, but the worst-case scenario is still pretty good and I know I'll have fun the whole time.
Chris
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FYI. I've posted the new thread for Project 2B. See you there!
Robert Conti TTI Vol 3, Project 2B (The Blues!)
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I finally got around to posting my first chorus on "All Blues."
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Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Hi guys,
I have fallen way behind y'all due to be overworked and underplaying but here is my contribution.
I played the bass and chords into my looper and used the drum track from iRealBook.
Conti Blues 2A
While I was at it I recorded the Miles Davis Solo as well
Miles Davis's All Blues
I have written the Miles Solo if anyone would like a copy just let me know.
On to 2B
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Hi guys,
I have fallen way behind y'all due to be overworked and underplaying but here is my contribution.
I played the bass and chords into my looper and used the drum track from iRealBook.
Conti Blues 2A
While I was at it I recorded the Miles Davis Solo as well
Miles Davis's All Blues
I have written the Miles Solo if anyone would like a copy just let me know.
On to 2B
Chris
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Originally Posted by Doublea A
McCoy Tyner style Pentatonic sequence with 5ths,...
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