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  1. #251

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    Well done Mike! I really enjoyed your take on the solo. Cheers.
    Thank you. Still working on playing in front of the camera.

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  3. #252

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    Here is my effort at Satin Doll with the melody plus the full 32 bar Conti solo. It took a handful of takes but I can live with this one. During the melody section I use a couple of fills that I stole from Graham Dechter (see the video in post #49, 0:45 - 1:05).

    Has anyone else experienced the law of diminishing returns? I continue to practice this solo but I'm not necessarily sure I'm producing better results. It must be sign that it is time to move on to project #2, Green Dolphin Street. I look forward to hearing your posts.

    Project Epilog: The wife says if she hears me playing Satin Doll one more time she's leaving me.


    That sounds really nice! Love those fills. Funny, I've always done Satin Doll as a block-chord or chord-melody approach. I really enjoyed your playing the melody and fills in lines. That was really fresh.

    You also have taken full possession of this solo and you're putting your own expression in playing it. Totally cool!

  4. #253

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS
    I noticed the auto focus jumped out once or twice. I'll have to see what's on on this. It does make a big difference though than my old web cam.
    It seems to be a good webcam. I know with mine (different model), the auto-focus seems to kick in if you move toward or away from the camera. That might be what's happening with your video, although it isn't a distraction at all.
    Last edited by snailspace; 03-25-2017 at 02:01 AM.

  5. #254

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    I imagine it was easy. I have my home town on my profile, and so he likely used directory assistance. Or maybe figured out the school I teach at and called the switchboard.

    Actually, my sense in talking to him was that he's not critical, but encouraging and cheering us on.
    Hi Lawson -- I was just teasing a bit. I'm sure he is very encouraging. What a thrill it must have been to speak with him. All 4 of my grandparents were from Italy, so I bonded immediately with his delivery and mannerisms.

    I'm still struggling with the fact that he's watched our videos. How cool is the internet!

  6. #255

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    Quote Originally Posted by snailspace
    That is exciting -- and it's cool to know he's following the thread and wishing us well. Personally, when the new year rolled around, I was about ready to give up on ever making any real progress in learning this music. I bought every "must-have" jazz guitar book, DVD, or online teacher anyone recommended, and couldn't make head nor tail of most of it. Any time Conti would have a sale, I'd pick something up, if I could, but always put it on the shelf with everything else.

    Finally, as I was getting ready to throw in the towel, I looked at all of the Conti materials I had accumulated and realized I'd never really given them an honest shot. Once I started to dig in on it, practice started being fun for the first time in a long time, and I finally feel like I'm starting to get somewhere.

    I was in the exact same place as you, I really want to be part of the jazz community here, and go along to the jam sessions to have fun. But I always thought my playing was not good enough, that is why I have been doing the solo guitar thing.
    This group has given me hope that I can get there eventually, thanks for getting it going.

  7. #256

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    Here is my effort at Satin Doll with the melody plus the full 32 bar Conti solo. It took a handful of takes but I can live with this one. During the melody section I use a couple of fills that I stole from Graham Dechter (see the video in post #49, 0:45 - 1:05).

    Has anyone else experienced the law of diminishing returns? I continue to practice this solo but I'm not necessarily sure I'm producing better results. It must be sign that it is time to move on to project #2, Green Dolphin Street. I look forward to hearing your posts.

    Project Epilog: The wife says if she hears me playing Satin Doll one more time she's leaving me.


    Great playing once again, I like the fills.
    I was wondering if the lines in the solo could be adapted and used as fills? that might sound nice, and give the listener a taste of what is to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    I'm curious about the Latin feel you're using there. That's a very different way to do "Satin Doll" from the typical medium swing style. I never thought of trying that, but have made a note to see how it works that way.
    I love the Latin twist. I once played in a bossa nova group that played this song as a bossa. I loved it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A
    I love the Latin twist. I once played in a bossa nova group that played this song as a bossa. I loved it.


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    I think that my next Conti Post, I will record the chords in a Bossa style and then play Conti's solo over top.

  10. #259

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    Great playing once again, I like the fills.
    I was wondering if the lines in the solo could be adapted and used as fills? that might sound nice, and give the listener a taste of what is to come.
    Hi Andy -- Thanks for the great suggestion to consider adapting lines from the solo as fills. It makes perfect sense.

  11. #260

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    Hi Andy -- Thanks for the great suggestion to consider adapting lines from the solo as fills. It makes perfect sense.
    I will a try it out when I do my final recording, or even video for the Tuesday deadline.

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    As we enter the final bars of "Satin Doll," now might be a good time to consider how we want to schedule our study of "Green Dolphin Street," the next solo in our TTI set.

    Looking back on our work with this solo, do you think our pace was too fast, too slow, or just right?

    Is there anything about the group you think we should change before we move on?

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    I thought it was just right. A month is a good block of time to learn a beginning/intermediate solo at a moderate tempo. Slower and some would possibly get bored, faster and it could be discouraging for some.

    I'm game for the next project at whatever pace the group chooses.

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    I'm with Lawson, a month is about right.

    Have you thought about how we proceed after this DVD. Do do you intend doing all 4 of the TTI DVD's? Then on to "The Jazz Lines".

    Perhaps that's a question for Mr Conti?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    Have you thought about how we proceed after this DVD. Do do you intend doing all 4 of the TTI DVD's? Then on to "The Jazz Lines".

    Perhaps that's a question for Mr Conti?
    Personally, I plan to go through all four volumes of Ticket To Improv. I have them all already, and there are plenty of good lines left to learn. After that, I'd like to try my hand at some of the advanced improv DVDs, too.

    However, I don't see why a person couldn't -- after completing one of the entry-level DVDs -- simultaneously study The Jazz Lines, as well. Some have said that studying Conti's chord-melody arrangements while working through The Formula has helped them see how he applies his method to real tunes, and I imagine the same would hold true with a study of improvisation, as well.

    Even so, it's an excellent idea to see what Mr. Conti's view is on how best to proceed.

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    I also believe that 8 bars/week is about right. The TTI work is just one part of my practice routine. While the Conti Jazz Lines are great (they are an important part of my practice time to improve my technique), my goal is to learn tunes. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snailspace
    Personally, I plan to go through all four volumes of Ticket To Improv. I have them all already, and there are plenty of good lines left to learn. After that, I'd like to try my hand at some of the advanced improv DVDs, too.

    However, I don't see why a person couldn't -- after completing one of the entry-level DVDs -- simultaneously study The Jazz Lines, as well. Some have said that studying Conti's chord-melody arrangements while working through The Formula has helped them see how he applies his method to real tunes, and I imagine the same would hold true with a study of improvisation, as well.

    Even so, it's an excellent idea to see what Mr. Conti's view is on how best to proceed.
    I imagine Mr. Conti's view is expressed in the fact that he made 4 DVDs in the TtI series. Seems like going through them is a good thing. Also, don't forget, at the end, you have about a dozen standards for which you have a decent solo learned that you can actually play.

    Having something to play on a dozen standards, that I can manipulate and adapt and tailor to my own preferences, is a very, very nice outcome. We're looking at about a year's study, and I can say from having spent now almost 2 years on the Jimmy Raney solos, it's a very helpful thing to do. It gives direction to my practicing. I now am practicing ideas from real solos, not just lame arpeggios made slightly less lame by starting on different notes.

    Having something to play, and to play around with… that's what I vote for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    Having something to play on a dozen standards, that I can manipulate and adapt and tailor to my own preferences, is a very, very nice outcome. We're looking at about a year's study, and I can say from having spent now almost 2 years on the Jimmy Raney solos, it's a very helpful thing to do. It gives direction to my practicing. I now am practicing ideas from real solos, not just lame arpeggios made slightly less lame by starting on different notes.

    Having something to play, and to play around with… that's what I vote for!
    Good observation. At the end of TTI, v.1, it might be fun to consider an "Extra Credit Bonus Bonus Project," where those who wish to do so take some of the lines we've learned and compose a new solo for one (or more) of the tunes on this DVD.

    Something to think about for down the road a bit. There's plenty of time to decide -- and plenty of work to do -- before we get there.

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    I would like to go through all the DVD'S as well, I have the first 2 already, so will get on to ordering the others. It takes a while for them to get to the UK. Especially if customs get hold of them, and there is import tax to sort out.

    The blues one looks interesting, I am looking forward to that one

    Now wasn't there a discount code??

  20. #269

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    Quote Originally Posted by snailspace
    As we enter the final bars of "Satin Doll," now might be a good time to consider how we want to schedule our study of "Green Dolphin Street," the next solo in our TTI set.

    Looking back on our work with this solo, do you think our pace was too fast, too slow, or just right?

    Is there anything about the group you think we should change before we move on?
    I think we are on a good pace. I will be catching up to you all this week.


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  21. #270

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    Now wasn't there a discount code??
    Went back and found this on the original Robert Conti: Ticket To Improv thread:


    If you would like to join us in this study group, and don't yet own Ticket To Improv, you can order at www.RobertConti.com or call 888-JAZZ-DVD (529-9383)

    Coupon code: TTISTUDY25This coupon will allow members of the study group to save 25% on any single volume, or up to three volumes of Ticket To Improv in a single purchase.

    Coupon code: TTISTUDY25FREESHIP



    This coupon will allow members of the study group to save 25% on all four volumes of Ticket To Improv (plus any other products they may wish to purchase at the same time), plus they will receive free shipping on their order, no matter where in the world they're located

  22. #271

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    If anyone needs me, I'll be over on Green Dolphin Street.



    Hey -- if you haven't posted in awhile, if you want to spend more time on this solo, or if you just found out about this group and want to throw your lot in with us: don't feel rushed to move ahead. Take the time you need, and post what (and when) you want -- we're your fan club.
    Last edited by snailspace; 03-26-2017 at 01:51 PM.

  23. #272

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    Quote Originally Posted by snailspace
    If anyone needs me, I'll be over on Green Dolphin Street.
    Smooth! Loved it! On to project #2.

  24. #273

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    Smooth!
    Thanks, Joe! I like to think my playing has a Keith Stone sort of vibe to it . . .

  25. #274

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    Quote Originally Posted by snailspace
    If anyone needs me, I'll be over on Green Dolphin Street.

    Hey -- if you haven't posted in awhile, if you want to spend more time on this solo, or if you just found out about this group and want to throw your lot in with us: don't feel rushed to move ahead. Take the time you need, and post what (and when) you want -- we're your fan club.
    A good finish!! See you on Green Dolphin Street.

  26. #275

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS
    A good finish!! See you on Green Dolphin Street.
    Thanks, Mike!

  27. #276

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    Quote Originally Posted by snailspace
    If anyone needs me, I'll be over on Green Dolphin Street.
    I wondered when we would head over that way. I still play the "Satin Doll" solo daily but I haven't recorded it lately. Tomorrow, I'll do at least the next four bars of the current Raney solo ("Nowhere") and the second chorus of Herb Ellis's "Bounce Blues." Don't know when I'll want to record the start of the "Green Dolphin Street" solo but it's time to start practicing it.

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    One more for good measure. Not much new here. The only change is that I throw in my take on Kenny Burrell's bridge from Organ Grinder Swing with Jimmy Smith (1965).


  29. #278

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    One more for good measure. Not much new here. The only change is that I throw in my take on Kenny Burrell's bridge from Organ Grinder Swing with Jimmy Smith (1965).
    Mighty fine, Joe. The fills were a tasteful addition, and the Burrell influence on the bridge was particularly good.

  30. #279

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    One more for good measure. Not much new here. The only change is that I throw in my take on Kenny Burrell's bridge from Organ Grinder Swing with Jimmy Smith (1965).
    This is really, really nice. Your fills and Burrell-inspired bridge are perfect.

    I'd suggest looking at the settings on your webcam and set it for a higher frame-rate, if possible. I really like looking at how you are fingering some of the lines, but with the slow frame-rate the video is erratic.

    Most cams have a setting that allows you to bump the frame-rate up to 30 frames per second. Then make sure your video editing software doesn't sample it back down when converting for YouTube.

    Your playing is just so nice, I'd like to see exactly how you're doing some of those lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    This is really, really nice. Your fills and Burrell-inspired bridge are perfect.

    I'd suggest looking at the settings on your webcam and set it for a higher frame-rate, if possible. I really like looking at how you are fingering some of the lines, but with the slow frame-rate the video is erratic.

    Most cams have a setting that allows you to bump the frame-rate up to 30 frames per second. Then make sure your video editing software doesn't sample it back down when converting for YouTube.

    Your playing is just so nice, I'd like to see exactly how you're doing some of those lines.
    Thanks Lawson! I've ordered a new webcam. Hopefully that will fix the problem. I'm embarrassed that I'm still running Windows XP but upgrading is such a hassle. Here are my current web cam settings:

    Video Capture Wizard: USB Video Device
    Setting Details:
    File type: Windows Media Videa (WMV)
    Bit rate: 2.1 Mbps
    Display size: 640 x 480 pixels
    Frames per second: 30

    I "read fingers" too so I understand your frustration. I'd be glad to share any info. For the Conti solo, I follow his fingering protocol about 100% except for a few slides and vibrato here and there (mostly to end phrases). His fingering protocol has been a revelation and I find myself using it when I'm transcribing other players stuff.

    Regards, Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    Thanks Lawson! I've ordered a new webcam. Hopefully that will fix the problem. I'm embarrassed that I'm still running Windows XP but upgrading is such a hassle. Here are my current web cam settings:

    Video Capture Wizard: USB Video Device
    Setting Details:
    File type: Windows Media Videa (WMV)
    Bit rate: 2.1 Mbps
    Display size: 640 x 480 pixels
    Frames per second: 30

    I "read fingers" too so I understand your frustration. I'd be glad to share any info. For the Conti solo, I follow his fingering protocol about 100% except for a few slides and vibrato here and there (mostly to end phrases). His fingering protocol has been a revelation and I find myself using it when I'm transcribing other players stuff.

    Regards, Joe
    It may be that the software or even the computer can't keep pace with the frame-rate.

    No problem, I just tend to obsess about this kind of thing!

  33. #282

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    Here is the full solo, played with fingers.
    I have been trying to get a video together of the tune plus the solo played with a pick, if I can I will do that soon, otherwise I will see you on Green Dolphin Street.

  34. #283

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    Here is the full solo, played with fingers.
    I have been trying to get a video together of the tune plus the solo played with a pick, if I can I will do that soon, otherwise I will see you on Green Dolphin Street.
    Nice one!! See you over on Green Dolphin Street.

  35. #284

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    Here is the full solo, played with fingers.
    I have been trying to get a video together of the tune plus the solo played with a pick, if I can I will do that soon, otherwise I will see you on Green Dolphin Street.
    Well done, Andy! I noticed you played that chromatic lick near the end in the legato manner or Conti's "off-the-sheet-tip" for that part. I've never been able to get the pull-offs to come out evenly (both tonally and rhythmically), but you nailed it.

  36. #285

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
    I wondered when we would head over that way. I still play the "Satin Doll" solo daily but I haven't recorded it lately. Tomorrow, I'll do at least the next four bars of the current Raney solo ("Nowhere") and the second chorus of Herb Ellis's "Bounce Blues." Don't know when I'll want to record the start of the "Green Dolphin Street" solo but it's time to start practicing it.
    Are you going to make a new topic for Green Dolphin Street?

  37. #286

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    One more for good measure. Not much new here. The only change is that I throw in my take on Kenny Burrell's bridge from Organ Grinder Swing with Jimmy Smith (1965).
    I like the fills you put in there. Very good!!

  38. #287

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    Quote Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
    Thanks Lawson! I've ordered a new webcam. Hopefully that will fix the problem. I'm embarrassed that I'm still running Windows XP but upgrading is such a hassle. Here are my current web cam settings:

    Video Capture Wizard: USB Video Device
    Setting Details:
    File type: Windows Media Videa (WMV)
    Bit rate: 2.1 Mbps
    Display size: 640 x 480 pixels
    Frames per second: 30

    I "read fingers" too so I understand your frustration. I'd be glad to share any info. For the Conti solo, I follow his fingering protocol about 100% except for a few slides and vibrato here and there (mostly to end phrases). His fingering protocol has been a revelation and I find myself using it when I'm transcribing other players stuff.

    Regards, Joe
    I just bought a new Logitech HD webcam. The specs state it is High Speed USB 2 certified and USB 3 ready. . If you're running XP, you may still have USB 1 ports on your computer. Maybe the USB port isn't keeping up with the frame rate.

    I also find Conti's fingering protocol to be a revelation. It makes it so much easier when the notes lay under your fingers.

  39. #288

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    Here is the full solo, played with fingers.
    I have been trying to get a video together of the tune plus the solo played with a pick, if I can I will do that soon, otherwise I will see you on Green Dolphin Street.
    Nicely done!

    Great tone and finger style to boot!
    Last edited by lawson-stone; 03-27-2017 at 10:33 AM.

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    I managed to record the melody and improv with fingers and pick. Please forgive the odd mistake. I think that I know what is best but your input would be appreciated.

    Fingers

    Pick
    Last edited by andyb; 03-28-2017 at 10:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    I managed to record the melody and improv with fingers and pick. Please forgive the odd mistake. I think that I know what is best but your input would be appreciated.

    Fingers

    Pick
    Andy your videos are coming up as Private on YouTube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS
    Andy your videos are coming up as Private on YouTube.

    I think its OK now?
    Last edited by andyb; 03-28-2017 at 10:42 AM.

  43. #292

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    I think its OK now?
    Both videos are visible now. I liked the fills you added. Good job on both the fingered and picked versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    I think that I know what is best but your input would be appreciated.
    Man, I love me a Telecaster!

    As far a preference, I don't think I could choose one rendition over the other -- they were both well-played, and with a beautiful tone (have I mentioned that I love Telecasters?). The addition of the fills was a nice touch, too.


    Plus, you were playing a Telecaster. As they say where I come from, "You cain't git no more better'n 'at."

    Great job, Andy!

  45. #294

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyb
    I managed to record the melody and improv with fingers and pick. Please forgive the odd mistake. I think that I know what is best but your input would be appreciated.
    Well played Andy! I loved how you used the Conti lines as fills. I may have to try that with GDS. Also loved the tone you got from the tele.

  46. #295

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    Someone posted this over on the TV theme thread, and it reminded that Conti uses the recurrent double-stop lick in this tune to end the "Satin Doll" solo. On the DVD, he even says that this is where he learned it. And check out the guitar bit at the end of the theme -- very cool!


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    Quote Originally Posted by snailspace
    Man, I love me a Telecaster!

    As far a preference, I don't think I could choose one rendition over the other -- they were both well-played, and with a beautiful tone (have I mentioned that I love Telecasters?). The addition of the fills was a nice touch, too.


    Plus, you were playing a Telecaster. As they say where I come from, "You cain't git no more better'n 'at."

    Great job, Andy!

    I was afraid of playing on one of my teles here. Thought the Jazz Police might give me a ticket

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A
    I was afraid of playing on one of my teles here. Thought the Jazz Police might give me a ticket
    I knew of a couple of players here who like a Tele, but I had no idea how many until I came across this:

    Telecaster love thread, no Archtops allowed

    Browsing around the other day, I came across this, and am trying to persuade my wife that this rig will solve all of our problems. Not being a guitarist, she is far from persuaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snailspace
    I knew of a couple of players here who like a Tele, but I had no idea how many until I came across this:

    Telecaster love thread, no Archtops allowed

    Browsing around the other day, I came across this, and am trying to persuade my wife that this rig will solve all of our problems. Not being a guitarist, she is far from persuaded.
    I am a huge Tim Lerch fan


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    Quote Originally Posted by Doublea A
    I was afraid of playing on one of my teles here. Thought the Jazz Police might give me a ticket
    I love my telecaster, I have bought and sold a few archtops, but always come back to the telle. Mine is an American special, I followed Tim Learch's advise with the 12/50 strings. He said something about the pickups liking more metal or something, I am using TI bebop strings they have a plain G.

    As as far as fingers or pick goes, I think that the pick is perhaps better overall for this style of playing, there is more snap to the notes they seem to pop out more, and I think fingers would limit my speed eventually.

    I have ordered some of the .38 dunlops as Mr Conti advocates. "In for a penny, in for a pound" as we brits say.

    Any way I am heading down to Green Dolphin Street, I have heard there is a "doozie" on bars 9 & 10.

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    I have several guitars and lately have been playing only two. My Tele Thinline during the day and my Conti in the evening. The only reason I split them up is because I have them in two different rooms. My Conti is in what my Wife calls my music room and my Tele is in my office close to where I have my computer online with the webcam.

    If a Tele is good enough for Tim Lerch and Ted Greene I can live with what the so called jazz police think.