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I stole your title, Mark -- hope you don't mind!
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03-07-2017 01:35 PM
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Satin Doll Bars 1-8
Mike
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On to bars 9-16!
If you recently ordered the DVD, or if -- for whatever reason -- you haven't had a chance to post yourself playing bars 1-8, don't worry about it. Post what you can, when you can, and we'll be here to root for you.
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Still waiting on my copy
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Have you received a shipping notice?
Originally Posted by Doublea A
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Great! I went over those lines this morning while practicing. May record them tonight. Originally Posted by snailspace
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I have 9-16 under my fingers, but not up to tempo.
BTW I am enjoying using the Aebersold track from Vol. 54 Maiden Voyage. The "Satin Doll" track on there is at about 90 bpm. I use Capo! software on my iPad to adjust the tempo down or up to suit my particular point. Capo! also allows you to loop a section if you want to drill on something specific. I know there are other apps as well--I mainly just wanted to call attention to the Aebersold track. It's humans playing, piano, bass, drums, and it is a good feeling track to work with.
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It took a day too memorize 1-8, but getting it under my fingers took all of a week. I'm still at 70-75 bpm, and messing up regularly. I think I'll record something just to get "on the record". Maybe it'll encourage someone else that they aren't as bad as they think (or at least not as bad as me). Look forward to it!
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How are you editing a backing track to play along with bars 9-16? I tried to edit Conti's midi file in BIAB by deleting everything but bars 9-16 and converting it to a wav file. On playback it started from bar 1 again and after about 8 bars in the track was garbled. I tried all the BIAB conversions to mp3, wav, wma and mp4 all with the same result.
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You might export it to wave first and then edit the wave. (I use Audacity) Or import it in a music editor (I have Print Music ), cut the bars, and save as midi or wave. Originally Posted by MikeS
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Here it is. Just metronome, no track. (Don't have one slow enough
) Just audio, no video. (Learning curve)
Listen to Satin Doll 1 - 8 by Denny Gomez #np on #SoundCloud
I can really see all the skills I DON'T have that I need for this. This will be a great study for me. I know I'll improve 1-8 as I work on 9-16.
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I'll have to check out a music (midi) editor and edit it in Adobe Audition. Originally Posted by Dennygomez
Thanks for the tip.
Mike
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Pretty good!! Originally Posted by Dennygomez
Here it is. Just metronome, no track. (Don't have one slow enough ) Just audio, no video. (Learning curve)
Listen to Satin Doll 1 - 8 by Denny Gomez #np on #SoundCloud
I can really see all the skills I DON'T have that I need for this. This will be a great study for me. I know I'll improve 1-8 as I work on 9-16.
Mike
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Something terrible happens above 75 bpm. The room tilts, the walls go jello, I hear my grandmother's ghost calling me to tea.
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My fingers just turn to jello. Originally Posted by Dennygomez
Mike
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Some random musings for the study group:
- I plan on downloading the Aebersold track for "Satin Doll" ($0.99 at Amazon).
- Transcribe is my go to software for slowing things down, looping, and changing pitch. I expect it to work perfectly with the Aebersold mp3 for isolating 8 bar phrases. Unfortunately, it does not handle midi files.
- I also use BIAB quite a bit for backing tracks. In the case of Conti bars 9-16, I just typed in the chord progression provided in the PDF.
- Lastly, I was thinking of posting 2 videos this week, bars 9-16 and 1-16. This is my first study group so I'm not sure of the proper protocol.
- Still need to figure out why my videos are slow/blurry. Could be the web cam or it could be that I'm still running Windows XP. Yikes!
Cheers.
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A quick test: take a still with that same camera. It'd it's blurry, then the lens/camera is a bum. However "slow" is usually processor speed. Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
Another test: watch a video made on something else. Clear but jerky? Processor. Clear and smooth? Computer doesn't record well but you can use something else to record. Blurry and slow: new computer.
They obsolete computer models by automatically updating soft ware to the higher (newer/more expensive) standard.
RE: putting more bars on your uploads... My vote is "go for it!" I've already learned a lot from the guys that UL'd additional material. I'm still working on that stuff. Thanks guys!
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As a quick fix, I'll input bars 9-16 in BIAB. Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
I like the idea of submitting bars 1-8, 1-16, 1-24 and 1-32 after the individual 8 bar submissions. A good test for learning the whole thing.
My web cam is blurry too. My web cam stopped working with Windows 10. I was able to sub a Windows 10 driver, but lost all original functionally and features including auto focus. I've got a Logitech C920 coming in the next couple of days. It has a lot of good reviews.
MikeLast edited by MikeS; 03-09-2017 at 05:07 PM.
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I think you can post whatever you like. I like seeing others' progress, sometimes on the same section the same week. In another group, we often post a clip at slow speed focusing on fingering, then another at tempo for the whole effect. I think that other than trying to post every week, there aren't many rules to worry about. Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
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I like that track too. (That whole CD is good. The Bb blues is especially fun, and "Watermelon Man." I give my mom a "concert" some Saturday nights and she always likes it when I play-along with "WM." She's a pianist and loves that groove.) Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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That's what I have. Got it Christmas. Much better picture than the one I had before. Sound is better too. It's a nice piece of equipment. Originally Posted by MikeS
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Thanks for the reminder -- I have Vol. 54, but didn't think about using it. I'm often not as smart as I need to be. Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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That's a good idea . . . connect the old stuff to the new stuff. In Project 4, we'll break them all apart and recombine what we want, but it's important to see how the ideas connect in each individual solo first, to get a feel for how to flow from one part of the neck to another. I may do the same myself, now that you mention it. Originally Posted by losaltosjoe
Thanks, Joe!
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No pressure on the posting -- put something up when you feel ready, but don't worry about whether it's "good enough" for us to see. We're fans, not critics. Originally Posted by Dennygomez
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After a few days of holding the pick b/w thumb and middle (or 2nd) finger (because I had hurt my index), I put the pick back where it belongs this morning and gave this a go.
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Thanks, I'm looking forward to getting it. Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
Mike
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Good one. It looks like you have Conti's fingering protocol down pretty good. Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
Mike
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I think the pressure is good. I mean accountability. Regular uploads means regular effort. Plus I want my buds to think I'm a cool "jazz man"! Originally Posted by snailspace
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Nice! It sounds like another solo that way. Great example, really! Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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I'll go ahead and post my Mm. 1-16, though I'd like to get the tempo up a bit more.
I'm having a lot of Epiphone love, so these are my two budget Epiphones.
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Nice. Can I test video here?
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Dude, you just named the elephant in the room! Originally Posted by Dennygomez
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Lookin' good! I don't know whether the guy gets the girl. He seems more concerned that the girl may get him. ("I'll give it a whirl but I ain't for no girl catchin' me...Switch-a-rooney!") Originally Posted by Dennygomez
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The lyric "telephone number, well you know" sounds like an excuse. "You know how it goes, can't win 'em all"
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Yes, it does. And "Doin' my rhumbas with uno" sounds like he's dancing alone. Originally Posted by Dennygomez
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I ordered my copy on March 1 and still no sign of it. Would somebody be willing to send me a PDF version of the first 16 bars ? before I fall too far behind
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He's doing SOMETHING alone! And that's the only time he calls her MY Satin Doll. Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
I really do have an image of this woman in her shimmering satin dress, weaving through the night club. Her cigarette holder waves the air as if touching each perfect note floating above them from the bandstand. (Featuring, of course, the amazing guitar styling of someone who looks a lot like me. )
So, a guy can dream!
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That's probably not a good idea. Before I asked around here about any interest in a study group, I got in touch with Mike -- the production manager at Pinnacle -- asking if they had any objection to us studying publicly using Conti's materials. Mike was very encouraging, and said we were welcome to share videos of ourselves playing lines from the DVD, but cautioned against sharing any of the published content itself, since it is copyrighted material. Originally Posted by Doublea A
Have you received an email notifying you that your DVD has shipped? If so, there should be a tracking number so you can check on the progress of the package. If you have not received a shipping notice, your best bet would be to contact Conti/Pinnacle and ask about your order.
The link on the bottom is to their email, but the one on top is to the Conti site. They usually have someone available at this time for a live chat conversation. They're very responsive, and should be able to give you an answer today if you start there.
Live Chat: How to play jazz guitar? No Modes No Scales(R) | Robert Conti Jazz Guitar
email: Contact | RobertConti.com
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That seems like an unusually long time. They usually mail the day they get an order, or the next day if the order comes in after "today's" mail has gone out. Originally Posted by Doublea A
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I will contact them tonight
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I enjoy playing with these projects and different approaches. This is a little faster than my previous, and it's the Aebersold Track from the Duke Ellington set, which is a bit more tricky, not as oriented to us beginners. You can't hear the cue for the top of bar 1 as clearly as the other track, but you have to count it. Still, I thought it was worthwhile to play with this.
The guitar is my 1970's Aria Pro II PE180, the "Poor Man's L5ces" but sometimes I feel like I'm playing a real L5, this thing is just wonderful.
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Hi Lawson,
Nice playing! I downloaded the Aebersold Track from Amazon last night and I agree with your assessment that it's a bit trickier than some of my other backing tracks. I'll be working with it over the weekend and have bars 1-16 posted shortly.
- Joe
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Using BIAB, Conti's chord changes, with a 2 bar intro. Still trying to work out video and mic issues. But time to get something posted.
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That's nice! Really wonderful tone. What's the guitar you're using?
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This solo is intriguing to me. On the surface, it sounds pretty conventional, but digging into it I'm finding a lot that's genuinely interesting, and a lot that I "should" have known but would never have thought to play.
Take the opening 4 notes: E-F-A-C. Played over a Dm7, where it's 9th, 3rd, 5th 7th, a rootless arpeggio starting on the 9th. Then again in m. 5 played over an Em7, it's Root, b2/b9th, 4th, #5th relative to Em7. Same line, but pitched against the different chord, it has a different effect. For my entire "life" as a jazz guy, on "Satin Doll," I've consciously or not, shifted my lines up a whole step with the shift in the changes up to Em7-A7. Conti stays put, plays the same "stem" of his line and then on beat 3 of the measure moves to something closer to the chord.
I just find that little move interesting because it's exactly the kind of really simple thing that I never think of. Easy, but left on my own, I doubt I'd have ever found it. Too busy hunting for something to play over Em7-A7.
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Thanks Lawson. I'm playing a 1996 Gibson L5 CES through a Brunetti Singleman (16-watt 1x12 combo Class A with two 6V6 tubes). I'm using my daughter's Blue Yeti USB Microphone. Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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From the partial view, I figured an L5ces or a really nice clone like the Aria PE180. Right now I settle for the clones (Aria Pro II PE180 and an Epiphone Elitist Broadway) but someday I'm going to pull the trigger on buying an L5ces.
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Conti does that sort of thing a lot. In his DVD "Jazz Lines" he gets into the "nuts and bolts" of it. I talked to him once and asked him if he knew Carol Kaye. He does. Their approach is not identical but there's a real overlap in that a) they can play and b) they can teach and c) what they teach is to keep things simple. Simpler than many of us think possible. Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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I believe this is an example where Conti simplifies it more by playing an Fmaj7 form over the Dm7 and G7. In his book The Jazz Lines he says, "If you want to play the unaltered extensions over a G7 or Dm7, simply think of the Major 7th form One Whole Step Down from G7 (i.e. Fma7), as the notes of any Fma7 form will state all of the unaltered G7 extensions." Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Makes sense, I mean the key is C, and the ii-V7-I basically is a tension movement. Mostly we think in terms of it as an elaborated V7-I, but the ii is easily seen as an elaboration of the IV chord. Originally Posted by MikeS
What intrigues me is how it works over the Em7-A7.
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