Patrick Bartley on originality

[pamosmusic]

Discuss.

[Peter C]

He's a great player who makes me smile a lot. It's not about the material, it's about the way you play it in the moment. JMO etc.

[MarkRhodes]

I like that.
The pursuit of originality mirrors the pursuit of happiness: both are most likely obtained through an indirect route.

[Hep To The Jive]

Patrick is the best on the scene today. Maybe the only sax player who authentically and equally at home with NewOrleans/trad and whatever modern/contemporary 'out' styles. And makes jazz entertaining again.

Shake that ass!

[ragman1]

Patrick Bartley

Who?

[pamosmusic]

Patrick Bartley

Who?

Get with it

[Mark Kleinhaut]

Discuss.

well, this makes perfect sense. It’s all right there

[Groyniad]

so fine

[bediles]

One perspective and usually comes from folks that play the trad jazz instruments and wynton disciples and like to play language. Would Julian Lage (or his heroes, Jim Hall, Frizell etc.) subscribe to this perspective? Is he then more of a cross-over artist and Bartley's playing the real shit?

[pamosmusic]

One perspective and usually comes from folks that play the trad jazz instruments and wynton disciples and like to play language. Would Julian Lage (or his heroes, Jim Hall, Frizell etc.) subscribe to this perspective? Is he then more of a cross-over artist and Bartley's playing the real shit?

I actually really think Julian would.

I think maybe more-so than a trad guy would. Julian will literally take anything he's interested in and make it a part of his sound. He came and did a week at The Stone in New York while I was there. I got a ticket for the only night that was still there but the run was ...

1. His Gladwell band
2. Solo
3. Duo with Chris Eldridge (the night I was able to go to)
4. Trio with Larry Grenadier and Eric Harland
5. Trio again.

Such a wild breadth of music but it all sounds so idiosyncratic and weird. I don't think you could possibly play that way unless you really and truly embraced the kind of philosophy Bartley is expressing up there.

I really think the same of Bill and Jim. Jim's Scrapple From the Apple is bizarre and very Jim, but it contains an extended quote of Parker's bridge. He also pulled in classical composition and was the king of sidemen. Bill too ... country? sure. Bill Evans? sure.

[Christian Miller]

Jules knows his history. I’d hire him to play a gypsy jazz function haha (but he never answers my calls.)


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[Christian Miller]

Bill plays Charlie Christian

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[Christian Miller]

Discuss.

This reminds of Bruce Forman,
‘You spend 40 years thinking “I have to sound like myself” and then you get to 40 and you say “oh **** I sound like me.”

Can’t be helped baby. Apologies for my part.


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[pamosmusic]

Jules knows his history. I’d hire him to play a gypsy jazz function haha (but he never answers my calls.)


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Or bluegrass

[AllanAllen]

Get with it

That was killer. I got a chuckle when he ended the solo with Lester Leaps In.

[bediles]

I actually really think Julian would.

I think maybe more-so than a trad guy would. Julian will literally take anything he's interested in and make it a part of his sound. He came and did a week at The Stone in New York while I was there. I got a ticket for the only night that was still there but the run was ...

1. His Gladwell band
2. Solo
3. Duo with Chris Eldridge (the night I was able to go to)
4. Trio with Larry Grenadier and Eric Harland
5. Trio again.

Such a wild breadth of music but it all sounds so idiosyncratic and weird. I don't think you could possibly play that way unless you really and truly embraced the kind of philosophy Bartley is expressing up there.

I really think the same of Bill and Jim. Jim's Scrapple From the Apple is bizarre and very Jim, but it contains an extended quote of Parker's bridge. He also pulled in classical composition and was the king of sidemen. Bill too ... country? sure. Bill Evans? sure.

I think I might have misunderstood the quote. I was sort of thinkong about people who play language vs people who don't (it's not a dichotomy but there are different types of players). Certainly they all play what they like and have their own voice.

In saying this, with Julian and maybe Frizel too (I don't know his music well) they seemt to have more pre war jazz, western swing, django style influences and kinda skip over bebop. Maybe that's why I immediately thought they're in a different category as Patrick Bartley who I'd say is, "In the tradition."

[bediles]

Bill plays Charlie Christian

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Neat! Actually pretty fun.

[Christian Miller]

Or bluegrass

I don’t have any bluegrass gigs


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[Bop Head]

I don’t have any bluegrass gigs


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It's great fun jamming with bluegrass and country people. It is BTW a great opportunity for basic ear training because the changes are not too complex most of the time.

[Christian Miller]

It's great fun jamming with bluegrass and country people. It is BTW a great opportunity for basic ear training because the changes are not too complex most of the time.

Sure. I’d also recommend early jazz, very similar chords wise, there’s a tradition of not using charts on the stand. I see that as my apprenticeship.

From there you should be able start intuiting the changes of standards pretty quickly. It all comes in as subs of the early stuff.

Maybe if I get a bit more time at some point I might get in bluegrass stuff.


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[Bop Head]

[Hep To The Jive]

To come to Smalls and play Sheik Of Araby, wow, what a legend! I can imagine if someone with lesser credentials calls a tune like that, they would be vibed like crazy! You show them Patrick!

It's like he connects the past and the present like nobody I've heard and in the most organic way.