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    FWlineberry, sounds cool with the backing track. Raising the bar
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  3. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    FWlineberry, sounds cool with the backing track. Raising the bar

    Thanks. I'm just a rock guy trying to get some jazz chops, so it's a fun way to apply this stuff and still have some groove.

    I wish I had half of your relaxed hand positioning, though. I think I'm pretty relaxed, then I look at the vid and cringe. I'm still trying to figure out the best playing position. I'd like to avoid having to put the thing right under my chin, but I see a lot of older, heavier guys doing that.



    In other news. anybody have an ideas on what tempo range to use for pattern 21? I plugged in 190, but that seemed a little fast, so I dropped it down to 180.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    FWlineberry, sounds cool with the backing track. Raising the bar
    Yeah. Especially the minor thirds patterns. Very cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher View Post
    Nice. Is this rob video lighting technique in action?
    Yep, but not as good as Rob's, I think I have too much light with a window in front and one on the side.
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    The post from Fep about using DAWS got me thinking about different ways to practise exercises. Started working on pattern 19 this morning, but experimented with a synth patch. It’s monophonic, and requires precise playing, as it does not respond well to slurring, slides and whatnot.

    It was interesting, I had to slow down about 15 bpm for it to sound decent. Turns out I’m also more precise with a small pick(which I don’t like) then a regular sized one(that I like).

    This is not me trying to turn his into a gear discussion, but to show this tread has already inspired me to try something new

    Pattern 19 bpm 160(ish). Synth guitar patch, trying to be overly precise.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FwLineberry View Post
    Thanks. I'm just a rock guy trying to get some jazz chops, so it's a fun way to apply this stuff and still have some groove.

    I wish I had half of your relaxed hand positioning, though. I think I'm pretty relaxed, then I look at the vid and cringe. I'm still trying to figure out the best playing position. I'd like to avoid having to put the thing right under my chin, but I see a lot of older, heavier guys doing that.



    In other news. anybody have an ideas on what tempo range to use for pattern 21? I plugged in 190, but that seemed a little fast, so I dropped it down to 180.

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    Hey I just wanted to say I've enjoyed your contributions. You are a "fresh face" here and your conscious decision as a rock guy to go after some jazz chops is encouraging to me. I like your posts and the way you actually turn the pattern into a little performance, backing tracks, fx loop and all.

    Don't go away! I'd love to see you advance even more in your exploration of jazz.
    - Lawson
    "Whenever you come near the human race, there's layers and layers of nonsense." - Thornton Wilder, Our Town

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    Quote Originally Posted by FwLineberry View Post
    In other news. anybody have an ideas on what tempo range to use for pattern 21? I plugged in 190, but that seemed a little fast, so I dropped it down to 180.
    I'm assuming 138-192 bpm for #21, based on #16 and similar.

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    I put up a couple of random videos. Should've had a 2nd cup of coffee first . Sorry to be slightly more rambling than usual maybe.



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    Holy Crap. I was about to post and realized on Pattern 18 I NEVER EVEN SAW THE 8TH REST AT THE START! Oh well...
    - Lawson
    "Whenever you come near the human race, there's layers and layers of nonsense." - Thornton Wilder, Our Town

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone View Post
    Hey I just wanted to say I've enjoyed your contributions. You are a "fresh face" here and your conscious decision as a rock guy to go after some jazz chops is encouraging to me. I like your posts and the way you actually turn the pattern into a little performance, backing tracks, fx loop and all.

    Don't go away! I'd love to see you advance even more in your exploration of jazz.


    Thanks for making me feel welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FwLineberry View Post
    Thanks for making me feel welcome.

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    I appreciate people who post their playing. I'm here to learn how to PLAY BETTER and I like to see and hear fellow travelers who present their efforts, sometimes amazing, sometimes modest. Two kinds of people here: those that post their playing, and those that just talk.
    - Lawson
    "Whenever you come near the human race, there's layers and layers of nonsense." - Thornton Wilder, Our Town

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    Attempts at the rest of this weeks patterns. Deadline versions. Messed up the order splicing the video.

    20(bpm 115)
    18(bpm 200, click on “one”, this was hard)
    21(bpm 160)

    Any comments welcome!


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    Here are this week's submissions. Practice went a lot better this week. I already have a lot of work into maj7 arpeggios, though, so that helped. It was just a matter of deciding which positions and fingerings to use.


    Pattern 18 - 208 bpm - I took a little liberty with how I played this by including a half step slide into the major 7th:





    Pattern 19 - 192 bpm:





    Pattern 20 - 120 bpm





    Pattern 21 - 180 bpm





    Looks like this next week I'll be working on up-down and down-up variations through all four chord cycles.

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    The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar; now that's my idea of a good time - Frank Zappa

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    This is basically from one take. I edited out the part where I was switching drum loops, but basically raw with a couple of flubs. I'm mostly happy with it. I'd like to be tighter on 18's rhythm for sure, but this is where it is today with the time I've had. Pattern 19 in 2 positions, then 21, 18 and finally 20... all at upper tempo indications.

    Critiques please...


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    Quote Originally Posted by FwLineberry View Post
    Here are this week's submissions. Practice went a lot better this week. I already have a lot of work into maj7 arpeggios, though, so that helped. It was just a matter of deciding which positions and fingerings to use.
    I think you have an especially good feel on #18. Gave me slight remorse on mine.

    Interesting backing tracks throughout, and I always enjoy your ending flourishes. Thanks for posting this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher View Post
    I think you have an especially good feel on #18. Gave me slight remorse on mine.

    Interesting backing tracks throughout, and I always enjoy your ending flourishes. Thanks for posting this.

    Thanks for the kind words. I don't think you have anything to be remorseful about, though. I've been watching your vids with an eye to whether I have the rhythms right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher View Post
    This is basically from one take. I edited out the part where I was switching drum loops, but basically raw with a couple of flubs. I'm mostly happy with it. I'd like to be tighter on 18's rhythm for sure, but this is where it is today with the time I've had. Pattern 19 in 2 positions, then 21, 18 and finally 20... all at upper tempo indications.

    Critiques please...

    Critique... just wipe that silly grin off your face... ;-)
    - Lawson
    "Whenever you come near the human race, there's layers and layers of nonsense." - Thornton Wilder, Our Town

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    Looks like this is the only one I'll get posted this week. Big flub going from G to Ab too. Have to work on that.

    "Learn the repertoire. It’s all in the songs. If you learn 200 songs, you will have no problem improvising."
    Frank Vignola

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    Busy time here--3 of our students were involved in a head-on crash on a back road, one (my student) killed, 2 very seriously injured. A second car with other students from here came up a moment later and discovered the accident, those 3 are very shaken by what they saw that they can never forget.

    So time for recording has been limited, and my own heart is heavy with the loss of a student from my classes who was going to be on our Israel team this summer.

    Anyhow, this is 18-19 the best I can make them for now. I think I miss a pattern in the root movement in each, but I didn't have time to check or re-do.

    - Lawson
    "Whenever you come near the human race, there's layers and layers of nonsense." - Thornton Wilder, Our Town

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone View Post
    Busy time here--3 of our students were involved in a head-on crash on a back road, one (my student) killed, 2 very seriously injured. A second car with other students from here came up a moment later and discovered the accident, those 3 are very shaken by what they saw that they can never forget.

    So time for recording has been limited, and my own heart is heavy with the loss of a student from my classes who was going to be on our Israel team this summer.

    Anyhow, this is 18-19 the best I can make them for now. I think I miss a pattern in the root movement in each, but I didn't have time to check or re-do.

    Very sorry to read this. My condolences.

    Driving truck the last several years, I saw my fair share of accidents and fatalities. That's a big part of why I got out of it. I felt like my luck was running out.

    This post gave me the shivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone View Post
    Busy time here--3 of our students were involved in a head-on crash on a back road, one (my student) killed, 2 very seriously injured. A second car with other students from here came up a moment later and discovered the accident, those 3 are very shaken by what they saw that they can never forget.
    Very sorry to hear, Lawson. All the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone View Post
    Busy time here--3 of our students were involved in a head-on crash on a back road, one (my student) killed, 2 very seriously injured. A second car with other students from here came up a moment later and discovered the accident, those 3 are very shaken by what they saw that they can never forget.
    My condolences, Lawson.
    "Learn the repertoire. It’s all in the songs. If you learn 200 songs, you will have no problem improvising."
    Frank Vignola

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    Oh my goodness. My condolences.

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    thanks all for your empathy over recent events here in my community. Today at 11:00 AM EST our school has a memorial service for the young man who was killed. Two other students remain in hospital with grave injuries, but with a very good chance of making a full, if long and hard, recovery.

    I have to say our community of faculty, students, staff, and administrators have been amazing in locking arms around the families and friends to offer love and support.

    I hope to be back in the study group saddle soon. Thank you again for your thoughtful replies.
    - Lawson
    "Whenever you come near the human race, there's layers and layers of nonsense." - Thornton Wilder, Our Town

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    Just spent some time working on Pattern 18 at various tempos. For me some of these patterns are mostly about getting the rhythm correct. Pattern 18 is one of those. So, in a sense, this book is very much about rhythm.

    At 208, the rhythm is tough for me. Practicing with a drum track and 1) tapping my foot twice per measure, and then 2) not tapping my foot at all. I plan to record both ways and see which sounds better and also see which is more accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher View Post
    This is basically from one take. I edited out the part where I was switching drum loops, but basically raw with a couple of flubs. I'm mostly happy with it. I'd like to be tighter on 18's rhythm for sure, but this is where it is today with the time I've had. Pattern 19 in 2 positions, then 21, 18 and finally 20... all at upper tempo indications.

    Critiques please...

    Really good on this.

    On pattern 18, are you late on the first note? I can't tap my foot that fast but maybe starting on the two with a quarter note, instead of as written which is starting on the up beat of 1 with a dotted quarter note?

    Edit: I think you are getting it some of the time and sometimes are late. It's hard at this tempo. Edit again: I think you are getting right... I can tap my hand to tempo, now I think you are getting it right. As I said in the previous post, this one is hard for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Really good on this.

    On pattern 18, are you late on the first note? I can't tap my foot that fast but maybe starting on the two with a quarter note, instead of as written which is starting on the up beat of 1 with a dotted quarter note?

    Edit: I think you are getting it some of the time and sometimes are late. It's hard at this tempo. Edit again: I think you are getting right... I can tap my hand to tempo, now I think you are getting it right. As I said in the previous post, this one is hard for me.
    Yeah. I think it's "right", just really sloppy and late at times. Maybe a half beat late at times. Should've redone it, but I just kinda went for the overall version for all patterns. I should have either cleaned it up timewise or slowed the tempo down . Greedy and lazy. :-) Long week...

    With more time, I would've edited out my face as well probably. My resting face needs some work. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher View Post

    With more time, I would've edited out my face as well probably. My resting face needs some work. :-)


    Ha!

    My wife accuses me of having a Beethoven scowl all the time. I'm like, "What....?"

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    Re#18, I had kind of tried to do it without the ghost notes as well. It's a persistent habit for me at all tempos, but I probably NEED it for that tempo . I almost think it's needed for the LISTENER at that tempo as well.

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    These ones where harder than I thought. 120bpm

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    These ones where harder than I thought.
    Good stuff, Erik. Thanks for breaking the ice on these.

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    Here are some updated fingering diagrams for what I'm doing so far on Patterns for Jazz. 3rd and 7th positions - Major Triads, Major 6 arps, Major 7 arps and Major 9 arps.

    Let me know of typos please.

    pdf attached
    Last edited by matt.guitarteacher; 04-25-2019 at 06:21 PM.

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    Also, we probably need to begin thinking about a would-be schedule for May.

    I was thinking something like:

    May 5: 24-26
    May 12: 27-28
    May 19: 29-32
    May 26: 33-36

    I'm fine with 5 in a week rather than 3+2 over 2 weeks, but I get the feeling that most probably don't want to go faster. #28 presents specific technical challenges. #27 is a faster ascending-only pattern, kind of distinguishing itself from the previous 3.

    The rest of the month divides well into 4 cycles-per-unique-pattern, but leaves #37 as a whole week to basically the descending variation of 33-36. May just have to play that by ear. The last 2 weeks present very new ground technically anyway. I don't know that we'd necessarily want to decide anything on that one this far ahead.

    Thanks for your thoughts on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Just spent some time working on Pattern 18 at various tempos. For me some of these patterns are mostly about getting the rhythm correct. Pattern 18 is one of those. So, in a sense, this book is very much about rhythm.

    At 208, the rhythm is tough for me. Practicing with a drum track and 1) tapping my foot twice per measure, and then 2) not tapping my foot at all. I plan to record both ways and see which sounds better and also see which is more accurate.
    Good post, Frank. I'm going to repost another version of #18 to see if I can get a it little cleaner; probably a couple of versions of ghost note approaches to this. In my "mind's ear" I think of it as being a down-stroke ghost note played on 1, but in practice, I find that I actually feel it better at this tempo to ghost the upstroke on the and-of-4 preceding. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

  36. #85

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher View Post
    Here are some updated fingering diagrams for what I'm doing so far on Patterns for Jazz. 3rd and 7th positions - Major Triads, Major 6 arps, Major 7 arps and Major 9 arps.

    Let me know of typos please.

    pdf attached
    Nice job. Do you use a specific software to make a pdf with those kind of guitar boxes? Would it be possible to write something other then fingering, like R for “root” or the interval? I’m thinking it could be really useful when showing students chord inversions.

    And I think two, or three patterns a week is fine. More is a bit overwhelming if it’s a busy week, but others may have a different opinion?
    Last edited by ErikWasser; 04-26-2019 at 03:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher View Post
    Also, we probably need to begin thinking about a would-be schedule for May.

    I was thinking something like:

    May 5: 24-26
    May 12: 27-28
    May 19: 29-32
    May 26: 33-36

    I'm fine with 5 in a week rather than 3+2 over 2 weeks, but I get the feeling that most probably don't want to go faster. #28 presents specific technical challenges. #27 is a faster ascending-only pattern, kind of distinguishing itself from the previous 3.

    The rest of the month divides well into 4 cycles-per-unique-pattern, but leaves #37 as a whole week to basically the descending variation of 33-36. May just have to play that by ear. The last 2 weeks present very new ground technically anyway. I don't know that we'd necessarily want to decide anything on that one this far ahead.

    Thanks for your thoughts on this.

    This next batch of patterns really breaks from the routine. I wonder what the point of the sudden randomness would be.

    Your breakdown looks good to me, but I think everybody who's still participating is pretty much finding their own pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErikWasser View Post
    Nice job. Do you use a specific software to make a pdf with those kind of guitar boxes? Would it be possible to write something other then fingering, like R for “root” or the interval? I’m thinking it could be really useful when showing students chord inversions.

    And I think two, or three patterns a week is fine. More is a bit overwhelming if it’s a busy week, but others may have a different opinion?
    Yeah. This is neck diagrams. Very handy. With a click you can change to intervals or pitches.

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    Here is patterns 20-22 played at the bottom-end of the tempo range. Just keeping my nose above water here.

    - Lawson
    "Whenever you come near the human race, there's layers and layers of nonsense." - Thornton Wilder, Our Town

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone View Post
    Here is patterns 20-22 played at the bottom-end of the tempo range. Just keeping my nose above water here.


    Good work, Lawson. I’ve enjoyed your posts, you obviously have an uniqueness to your playing. Hope all is well with you and your students and colleagues.

    edit: typos

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErikWasser View Post
    Good work, Lawson. I’ve enjoyed your posts, you obviously have an uniqueness to your playing. Hope all is well with you and your students and colleagues.

    edit: typos
    Thanks you for that. We're doing well after the tragedy over Easter weekend. Our school, a large campus actually for such a school, maybe 1000 students and faculty, has come together around the family that lost their son, and the 2 women who were injured, and lots of support and encouragement has happened.

    I tend to see my playing as nothing very special, so I appreciate your kind words.
    - Lawson
    "Whenever you come near the human race, there's layers and layers of nonsense." - Thornton Wilder, Our Town

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone View Post
    I tend to see my playing as nothing very special, so I appreciate your kind words.
    I'm with Mr. B. I always think that the best parts of what you do are the "Lawson bits". Foot really likes the rhythmic variation and your ending on the last one specially. Thanks for posting.

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    Here are patterns 22 and 23. I combined both lines into one exercise for each variation... So up-down followed by down-up for each of the four chord sequences.


    Chromatic - 120 bpm - from the A D and G strings.






    4ths - 110 bpm
    - from the E A and D strings. I thought this one sounded better with the backing track a little slower.






    2nds - 120 bpm
    - from the A D and G strings.






    Minor 3rds - 120 bpm
    - from the D and G strings.




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    The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar; now that's my idea of a good time - Frank Zappa

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    Trying to add a little bit of variation to the pattern, i.e. playing around with it. Self critique, need to eliminate the ringing extraneous notes.

    B+
    Frank (aka fep)

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    Technical issues on my end. I may have to get another SD card reader to upload...

  46. #95

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    Quote Originally Posted by fep View Post
    Trying to add a little bit of variation to the pattern, i.e. playing around with it. Self critique, need to eliminate the ringing extraneous notes.
    Nice! You made a boring exercise sound pretty slick.

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    Ha ha. Rough and played on the worst guitar on the planet. I don't need critique on this. :-)

    All 4 cycles recorded in one take, with one major clammy bit, but otherwise has moments of decent swing. My normal recording setup isn't currently working.

    Just trying to post something. Sorry.


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    Quote Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher View Post
    Ha ha. Rough and played on the worst guitar on the planet. I don't need critique on this. :-)

    All 4 cycles recorded in one take, with one major clammy bit, but otherwise has moments of decent swing. My normal recording setup isn't currently working.

    Just trying to post something. Sorry.

    Good to have you post anyway. It was getting a little lonely around here.

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    Only 24 and 25, never got round to working on 26.
    Any comments are welcome.

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    Hanging in here. May be Monday before I can make a video though.

    Godspeed to all!
    "Learn the repertoire. It’s all in the songs. If you learn 200 songs, you will have no problem improvising."
    Frank Vignola

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    Hanging in here. May be Monday before I can make a video though.

    Godspeed to all!
    Monday is my only day a lot of weeks. I need to just get a week ahead and stay there....
    Last edited by matt.guitarteacher; 05-06-2019 at 11:52 AM.