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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    And then you get the call to play Comic-Con....

    (I do know some jazz players who had to dress up as the Star Wars cantina band for a gig. It's not that far fetched.)
    Comic-Con. Yowzah!

    I can do Pj's. Unfortunately I don't get to do that enough. Not sure if there is a PJ superhero though.

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  3. #52

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    (I do know some jazz players who had to dress up as the Star Wars cantina band for a gig. It's not that far fetched.)

    LOL .. but then again why am I surprised. That is both amazing and funny at same time .. but in a good way


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    Quote Originally Posted by lammie200 View Post
    I realize that it is possible to play guitar in tights and a cape, but I can't do it. I have attempted a few times in my underwear as a test, but that wasn't for me.
    I think you have to point the headstock toward the wind at a 45% angle so the cape blows back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    I'm not nearly good enough to emulate my heroes' technique.

    But man, why to put yourself down like that? how do you think every single jazz musician we listen to got to where they are?

    Do you think they ever said that they weren't good enough to emulate their heroes' technique?

    sure they might have said i can't play like this cat or i can never sound as good as that cat. But that didn't stop them from emulating and learning from them.

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    Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    And then you get the call to play Comic-Con....

    (I do know some jazz players who had to dress up as the Star Wars cantina band for a gig. It's not that far fetched.)

    I would do at least one song in robotic super quantized weird timing with strange body language
    remember the group 'Devo ' -only better ...or worse..lol.

    Hey ...why is that Cantina Band Clip ( I liked it )
    almost 10 hours long ?
    Definitely the Interplanetary WTF Force needs to check the length ....

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    Maybe some people can’t sleep without the cantina band music playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    Maybe some people can’t sleep without the cantina band music playing
    Ha..yeah - I listened to it for *6 hours ...thinking maybe one of the guys was Gary Burton and there was going to be a cool modulation or intergalactic polymeter trick ....but it never happened.

    Actually I like how the Aliens were playing in time and meter but were dancing or moving totally offbeat ! Funny.





    * not really
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    Do you think maybe the actors on set weren’t really playing the music?

    #childhoodruined #thereisnosanta

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    Do you think maybe the actors on set weren’t really playing the music?

    #childhoodruined #thereisnosanta

    Nah .. Those guys where Pro's! (Never noticed that they played more than that one tune (2:50))

    #HanSoloShotFirst


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    Quote Originally Posted by don_oz View Post
    But man, why to put yourself down like that? how do you think every single jazz musician we listen to got to where they are?

    Do you think they ever said that they weren't good enough to emulate their heroes' technique?

    sure they might have said i can't play like this cat or i can never sound as good as that cat. But that didn't stop them from emulating and learning from them.
    It's not a put down, really, it's reality.

    I emulated the techniques of my heroes back in my teens. What I have now, for better or worse, is MY technique. My heroes have changed, of course.

    I'm a full time hacker-awayer with a day job and little kids. I'll emulate lines, melodic content, rhythmic content, from my favorite players now for sure. But there's no time to overhaul my technique at this point. I'm gonna have to make do with what I got.

    It's not a bad thing, really. I'm learning to relax a bit about what I can't do and focus on what I can.
    Jeff Matz, Jazz Guitar:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/jeffreymatz

    "Jazz is like life...it goes on longer than you think, and as soon as you're like 'oh, I get it,' it ends."

    --The Ghost of Duke Ellington

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    It's not a bad thing, really. I'm learning to relax a bit about what I can't do and focus on what I can.
    That is not just a jazz thing .. but life as such. At some point you stop assimilating and start doing the best you can with the tools you have at your disposal as the time for exploration just shrinks to zero

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    Also - to the OP have at it and use a strong mental image of what you want to hear and go for it.

    Not saying you can't do it .
    Just that you may have to work practice etc.

    We don't know if I can even play since I have not posted Music yet ..( lol ) so listen to this guy- what he says about people spending time practicing ( you may transcend some of that ..some can ).






    What I CAN tell you keep it SIMPLE .
    And consistent .

    Generally in order to EMULATE your Hero's Technique you will need to practice like they did AND adapt it for your hands and mind.




    Everybody has to put time in ....


    And you have to use a LOT of common sense when trying to ' imitate/ emulate ' someone's technique who is NOT there in the room to show you how.

    And if you had that much diagnostic ability re: picking you would already be at 70 to 80% of anyone and wouldn't be asking about cloning.

    So you the OP need expert help from someone who can diagnose and Play himself at a high level.

    So finding a local who can play his tail off ...and guide you through .

    A green belt wants to kick like Van Damme or Bruce Lee probably needs a Black Belt to keep him on the right track incremental jumps can happen ...
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    It's hard to clone someone's technique especially if you pick someone who is already great .



    Why don't you Guys ever want to clone someone who is only very basic , pretty good .....?

    'Emulating Bruce Springsteen's Technique ?'

    That's the problem - I finally figured it out !

    The secret is to clone someone's technique- who is only at a similar technique level to where you are now !

    Mystery solved...choose your heroes more carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt View Post
    I can emulate the technique having watched him play up close a number of times. It's everything else that troubles me so.


    There's a helpful clue sitting on the table...
    "Bent my ear to hear the tune and closed my eyes to see."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauln View Post
    There's a helpful clue sitting on the table...
    Lol, sure, coffee.

    That'll turn every pensive, lyrical, feeling player into a virtuoso. Not.

    Anyway, please enjoy listening to Earth's greatest plectrum, improvising, guitarist, in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt View Post
    Anyway, please enjoy listening to Earth's greatest plectrum, improvising, guitarist, in history.
    I didn't think we were talking about Django?

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    I didn't think we were talking about Django?
    I really don't agree - BUT - we all stand on the shoulders of our predecessors. That's the nature of evolution and progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt View Post
    I really don't agree - BUT - we all stand on the shoulders of our predecessors. That's the nature of evolution and progress.
    Well I’m not going to proclaim anyone the best, because that’s just asking for trouble.

    I don’t think Django’s right hand technique has been bettered though by anyone since for precision, clarity and tone. Listen to him at half speed and weep bitter tears.

    And bear in mind most modern players tickle their guitars and lean on the amps.

    Johnny Mac is great though. He gives it some stick.

    I actually think if Django had lived he’d have joined the jazz rock movement and tried to outdo Mahavishnu lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robertkoa View Post

    The secret is to clone someone's technique- who is only at a similar technique level to where you are now !
    I get that you are joking, but, I will say that I have found emulating people who I can grasp to be WAY more useful than trying to go too far above my level. when I was 16 I loved Clifford Brown and transcribed a bunch of his solos, but I only learned the notes and the rest was too far above my head. Whereas someone like Chet Baker, I learned melodic material that improved my playing almost immediately. It took me years before I really felt like I could learn something from transcribing folks like Bird.

    I'm sure there are a lot of people a lot more talented that can grok Bird and others immediately, but, for the rest of us, I think there's a lot of truth and value to not getting too far outside your comfort zone in terms of emulating players as well as transcribing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p1p View Post
    Just wondering how many of you have copped technique from your heroes, borrowed ideas, thought of altering your own technique with hopes of playing like them?
    Dave Martone, after achieving a level of success, dedicated something like three years to NOT playing anyone else's music and trying to figure out who he was musically, but I think most of us can't help it. I mean, it's in everything. Musicians listen to music and you can't help but be inspired by stuff and grab onto it for your own purposes. And when you see someone doing something that excites you or makes more sense, are you really supposed to try to ignore it because they got there first? No way. Jim Heath played with hybrid picking and I was stoked on him so I spent hours trying to learn hybrid picking. Matt Skiba loves octave chords so I'm going to experiment with using them, too.

    I think it's just natural unless you're Dave Martone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    Well I’m not going to proclaim anyone the best, because that’s just asking for trouble.

    I don’t think Django’s right hand technique has been bettered though by anyone since for precision, clarity and tone. Listen to him at half speed and weep bitter tears.

    And bear in mind most modern players tickle their guitars and lean on the amps.

    Johnny Mac is great though. He gives it some stick.

    I actually think if Django had lived he’d have joined the jazz rock movement and tried to outdo Mahavishnu lol
    Django had a large recorded history as I understand it. Do you have a favorite CD that you would recommend?

    Also, I realize that the thread is about technique but I was also referring to improvisational capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzstdnt View Post
    Django had a large recorded history as I understand it. Do you have a favorite CD that you would recommend?

    Also, I realize that the thread is about technique but I was also referring to improvisational capability.
    Well you can grab a box set of his classic 30s recordings for not too much. The hot club. Those recordings are definitive.

    His electric stuff is fun too. Sometimes he almost sounds like a proto McLaughlin. He had more chops than the US jazz players of that era, apart from maybe Les Paul who was frighteningly good at imitating Django in his early career, so that with the edgy valve breakup sound... it’s quite a trip for the 40s!

    I also rate Django as one of the most imaginative improvisers I have ever heard. He never played the same thing twice unlike a lot of players of his era. A true free spirit, reinventing his playing with every moment.

    Harmonically? Forget it. You have to dig a little because the music is so old timey and nostalgic to modern ears. But when you really listen to what Django was playing - name an innovation that jazz musicians were meant to have done in the 50s and 60s and Django did it first by ear. Modes, outside playing, sideslips, altered harmony, non functional chord progressions, pentatonic modes, harmonic major harmony, all of that and more turns up in his music. The guy was obsessed with Debussy and Ravel and it seeps into his harmonic sensibility.

    A genius, basically.

    The only reason I wouldn’t put him at the top of my pantheon is because he didn’t swing like the US players. He had a different feel....

    George Benson is that guitarist - kind of like what happens when you put Django and Grant Green together... funnily enough he isn’t my favourite though.
    Last edited by christianm77; 07-12-2019 at 06:08 AM.

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    Sheer shred, precision and melody


    Django invents Speed Metal lol


    Well with a bit of Eastern European folk music and Ravel thrown in.

    You think Wes invented octaves? Wes gave Django the credit TBF. Listen 2:36.

    Also some cool outside licks in this one - Ellington orchestra backing so Django tilts more towards the US swing style in his feel. What a tone!!! (See the Benson connection)


    Odd time before there was odd time

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    Great stuff Christian I'll check it out. Thanks.

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    OK No joking this time.

    There are two main reasons it is very difficult to clone your hero's technique

    1] You really can't see exactly what their pick grip is[ I mean EXACTLY including underneath ] AND the exact motion of the pick across the strings and how they skip strings etc. and their wrist motion etc.

    2] Even if you could , you might not be able to apply it because you don't have a lot of expertise ( some is knowledge but some is gradually refined repetition ( which is what Ètudes are -those aimed at improving stability and technique).

    Karate has kids that want to punch or kick like Van Damme or Bruce Lee etc etc..

    And probably ask why can't I just copy the 6th Degree Black Belts ?

    And Instructors -they smile and say the 6th degree black belt started as a white belt then green etc. some move up quicker .

    Unfortunately - Guitar Technique is not quite as well organized ..
    BUT -IF you know whether you want to support your pick hand near the top of the Guitar like this:



    or like the people who rest their finger near the pickguard .

    You have your basic light 'Anchor' to the Guitar...

    Then you take your grip ( can be refined later )

    Then do some basic tremolo exercises getting even up and downstrokes and beginners and intermediates could learn some things on Grady's Site but I recommend a good local teacher with steady chops who knows how to alt pick and will walk you thru .

    It is much simpler than I see it presented....no need to stretch alt picking into a 2 year college course...

    And just go from there ...I don't recommend the one lick at a time thing .


    If you are self motivated you might only need a lesson every 2 weeks or month so - warn the teacher you want mechanics etc.

    And you are practicing and learning mechanics to get mechanics out of the way...

    spend some time just playing whatever you hear each day also - pretend you are already great and just Play ...
    Last edited by Robertkoa; 07-28-2019 at 10:40 PM.

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    *There is a Forum Member who can just Hypnotize you to play like ______ ...but I forget his name .



    *Not really - this is what you really want right ? lol.
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