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Originally Posted by princeplanet
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10-07-2024 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pauln
EDIT: Interesting that on all the iconic photos Johnson shows a rather classical hand position. He is never wearing a bottleneck on those pictures but I could imagine that his hand position has to do with the fact that the bottleneck works best when held parallel to the frets because most of the time you'll play chord tones.
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Originally Posted by pauln
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Originally Posted by princeplanet
My favourite was a weird lump that appeared on my wrist about ten years ago. I suspected it might be due to my pressing down too hard (I was playing a lot of swing at the time with 15 top string iirc). It didn’t hurt but….weird.
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Just had a meeting cancelled, so picked up my guitar and tried to remember some of the discussion in this thread. As "usual", a rough and ready vid c/w distorted laptop mic sound, but it's about the fingering, right?
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Originally Posted by Peter C
But, we're all physically different.
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Originally Posted by Peter C
That’s a good start with the three fingered stuff, stick with it, sounding good ;-)
Ok, so more seriously, anything unfamiliar feels weird compared to something familiar. I didn’t start doing the TOP/three fingered thing for comfort or ease, at least not at first, but because I thought it might sound good, because a lot of people who sound good do it. (Correlation is not causation.)
You might also find it sometimes more practical to do with different fingerings.
It may feel a bit like ‘why??’ but despite your grumbling (haha) you actually manage it really well and I like the way you sound doing it. Fat tone! Maybe a touch more swing too? I’m biased of course.
It probably feels a bit lacking in definition to normal, but it sounds really good and I don’t think it sounds sloppily executed at all, apart from the dim7 arp (which I think will be fine after a little slow practice).
What I’ve found is that the way you feel it sounds and the way it actually sounds are sometimes not the same thing.
You gain a bit a little more definition in the four fingered examples and they do sound good, but they also sound a little less earthy.
So, I do think it sounds a bit different with the more three fingered fingering. I prefer it but that may well be selection bias obviously….
anyone else?
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLast edited by Christian Miller; 10-08-2024 at 08:10 AM.
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I tell you what would really help the debate is if you could do an audio recording of both approaches and not tell us which was which. I wonder if I could actually tell.
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Oh another point - just about everyone uses their pinky sometimes. I have made this point several times but it does keep being lost.
Wes and Grant Green for example would hammer 3-4-3 very often.
It boils down to hand position more than having a vendetta against the pinky. The pinky loses equality to the other three fingers compared to CG, but it doesn’t become useless.
And speaking of hand position it’s similar to mine when doing this (from my video above), which is not quite there. Both of us could do with pronating a touch more when doing this type of thing and having thumb more towards the nut and maybe a little higher. Your thumb is quite mobile throughout the video though and you do go into that position at times.
If you are interested (I doubt it) I would suggest playing with it a bit more - you may still hate it but you may find some things in it that might be interesting or helpful. As I say I think you sound good doing it.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLast edited by Christian Miller; 10-08-2024 at 07:57 AM.
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I did do this one before I went away. I think there’s a difference but it’s quite subtle. Can one tell which is which?
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by charlieparker
Classical technique the middle finger should be roughly parallel to the frets with the other fingers as close to parallel as possible, accounting for their natural curve toward the middle.
Pronation is when the palm closes a bit on the neck and the thumb is higher. This is really bad if you try and keep your fingers parallel to the frets because you get a bend in the wrist and stretches between fingers, but if you let your fingers come at the frets at an angle, then you'll see your wrist straighten out.
Google a picture of violin hand position and you'll see the difference versus classical technique immediately. If you look at, say, Peter Bernstein or Eric Clapton, it'll look much more like the violinist than like the classical guitarist.
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Search YouTube enough and someone's done a vid on this exact subject:
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pronation means the hand is turning palm down as if dropping something
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Originally Posted by bediles
I think it’s pretty clear - there’s arrows
The relevant bit is 2:46 ish
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Follow the arrows to three fingered bliss.Last edited by bediles; 10-08-2024 at 12:36 PM.
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Guess who?
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Originally Posted by GuyBoden
Everything about his technique is distinctive including the way he picks and his left hand posture.
(Also it’s a Carvin)
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Originally Posted by GuyBoden
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
And always keep your thumb behind the capo.
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It seems I'm prone to a bit of pronation, but it's all completely unconscious and unplanned because after hearing Jimi the man I just grabbed my first electric guitar with glee and literally attacked the poor thing until it yielded the sounds I wanted to hear. Never had any lessons, just determination, and never thought about whether one "should" do this or that. Sliding the first finger or shifting the whole hand up and down to reach adjacent notes, however, seemed like something to avoid (and mostly still does).
I'm not aware (ie "observant") of my body when playing, but I'd say that in music with a strong, funky groove, it's mostly 3 digit stuff, mainly because the little "auxiliary" pinky isn't strong enough to transmit the energy. Conversely, when playing "faux classical", that little bro sees a lot of action due to the necesssary stretches; thumb usually politely outta sight.
For the rest, it's very much in-between, although I will say it's always wise to listen to people who have ears, so Christian may have something there which deserves exploring. Hmm, "phat"....Not gonna happen though in the case of the So What riff
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