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    Quote Originally Posted by pamosmusic
    I don’t know man. I think I’m a hard disagree. Gotta be super careful playing fast.

    If you practice in mistakes, your muscle memory doesnt give you a pass because you were trying it at 280.

    There are some useful ways to do it … I like bursts a lot. So I might set the metronome for 60 and play eighth notes perfectly five or six times, then just leave the metronome and imagine it’s on one and three, play it maybe two or three times perfectly, then imagine it’s just on beat one and burn it once.

    Then I go back down. Maybe set the metronome to 61.
    Where did I say don't work up technique slowly or play sloppily when practicing fast? The majority of my playing, practice, and technique focus is slow or medium, but I thought doing some regular fast, technically med up, stuff could generally improve my technique too if I get it into my muscle memory played cleanly. I don't really do true up stuff. Bursts sound like a good idea to me, that's probably a scientific way to approach it.
    Last edited by Bobby Timmons; 10-05-2024 at 04:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Timmons
    Where did I say don't work up technique slowly or play sloppily when practicing fast? The majority of my playing and practice is slow or medium, but I thought doing some regular fast, technically med up, stuff could generally improve my technique too if I get it into my muscle memory played cleanly. I don't really do true up stuff. Bursts sound like a good idea to me, that's probably a scientific way to approach it.
    One thing about practicing fast. Depending on your picking technique, you may need to alter fingering and picking to increase your overall speed for a given passage.

    It's my impression that this is more an issue for alternate pickers than sweep or economy pickers.

    The point is, getting things really fast may not be as simple as learning a certain fingering/picking pattern and then gradually speeding it up.

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    My point is scientific technique focus aside, simply regularly getting it up reasonably should generally shake out and improve your technique because it forces all your facility to process, function, and stabilize faster. Not talking about stuff out of range.

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    All I can say is that I can relate. I recently started some gigs with a N.O. Trad jazz group where the "stuff" I play is very different to my usual jazz duo gigs where I do all the post bop stuff. I have a different guitar and mindset to do the rhythm stuff in this quartet(I'm the only chordal player) so 90% of the time I am chugging along doing spread triad chunks. However, because there is only one horn, a drummer and a bassist, I have to solo to allow some "scene changing" and give the horn player a little break. This is a big change to suddenly go from really hitting the guitar for as much acoustic sound as I can get to the more fine motor stuff of a solo. Top it off with the fact that I basically know zero Allan Reuss stuff so my chord soloing is lacking. If I switch to single line it's pretty difficult because I'm also trying to mentally filter out any bebop or post bop language that regularly just comes out as part of my improvisation. It all winds up being very difficult. I'm just hoping that with time I can get a little more of that stuff in my hands. I'd prefer one solo a set, honestly. I just don't know the tunes so I am reading this whole time, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by achase4u
    All I can say is that I can relate. I recently started some gigs with a N.O. Trad jazz group where the "stuff" I play is very different to my usual jazz duo gigs where I do all the post bop stuff. I have a different guitar and mindset to do the rhythm stuff in this quartet(I'm the only chordal player) so 90% of the time I am chugging along doing spread triad chunks. However, because there is only one horn, a drummer and a bassist, I have to solo to allow some "scene changing" and give the horn player a little break. This is a big change to suddenly go from really hitting the guitar for as much acoustic sound as I can get to the more fine motor stuff of a solo. Top it off with the fact that I basically know zero Allan Reuss stuff so my chord soloing is lacking. If I switch to single line it's pretty difficult because I'm also trying to mentally filter out any bebop or post bop language that regularly just comes out as part of my improvisation. It all winds up being very difficult. I'm just hoping that with time I can get a little more of that stuff in my hands. I'd prefer one solo a set, honestly. I just don't know the tunes so I am reading this whole time, too.
    Great post. I'm glad I'm not alone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by garybaldy
    Great post. I'm glad I'm not alone!
    Also, sorry to hear about the RA. I have cubital tunnel in both arms and carpal in my fretting hand and some regular old arthritis is setting in. It makes an already challenging activity downright demoralizing sometimes. Keep playing as much as you can, though. It's worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by achase4u
    Also, sorry to hear about the RA. I have cubital tunnel in both arms and carpal in my fretting hand and some regular old arthritis is setting in. It makes an already challenging activity downright demoralizing sometimes. Keep playing as much as you can, though. It's worth it.
    Thanks. And sorry that you also have unpleasant ailments. My RA was diagnosed in the early 80s and was treated with anti inflammatories but got really bad in 2017. My whole body was inflamed and I also developed serious carpal tunnel issues and suffered secondary ailments (one of which affects my eyes and my chart reading ability!). I've been on DMARDs since then which have been marvellous. Pain comes and goes but I've noticed recently the pain in my left index finger when playing guitar is pretty constant. I'm coming to terms with the fact that my Double Bass playing days, after more than 30 years, are over!
    All the very best to you.
    Gary

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    Quote Originally Posted by garybaldy
    Thanks. And sorry that you also have unpleasant ailments. My RA was diagnosed in the early 80s and was treated with anti inflammatories but got really bad in 2017. My whole body was inflamed and I also developed serious carpal tunnel issues and suffered secondary ailments (one of which affects my eyes and my chart reading ability!). I've been on DMARDs since then which have been marvellous. Pain comes and goes but I've noticed recently the pain in my left index finger when playing guitar is pretty constant. I'm coming to terms with the fact that my Double Bass playing days, after more than 30 years, are over!
    All the very best to you.
    Gary
    Very sorry to hear that. That is a rough road to go down. I am so glad you found the DMARDs and that they have been tolerable. Very sorry about the double bass issues. I wish there were a way for you to continue it.

    All the best to you as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garybaldy
    Thanks. And sorry that you also have unpleasant ailments. My RA was diagnosed in the early 80s and was treated with anti inflammatories but got really bad in 2017. My whole body was inflamed and I also developed serious carpal tunnel issues and suffered secondary ailments (one of which affects my eyes and my chart reading ability!). I've been on DMARDs since then which have been marvellous. Pain comes and goes but I've noticed recently the pain in my left index finger when playing guitar is pretty constant. I'm coming to terms with the fact that my Double Bass playing days, after more than 30 years, are over!
    All the very best to you.
    Gary
    Have you ever tried a therapy with anti-inflammatory enzymes like bromelain or papain? Have you ever tried a change of diet (alkaline nutrition) and an intestinal rehabilitation?

  11. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Bop Head
    Have you ever tried a therapy with anti-inflammatory enzymes like bromelain or papain? Have you ever tried a change of diet (alkaline nutrition) and an intestinal rehabilitation?
    I've only tried a few diet regimes but never pinned down what makes an improvement. I've cut out numerous things but not reached any conclusions. I shall look into those things you've mentioned about which I've never heard. Thank you.

  12. #36

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    Quote Originally Posted by achase4u
    All I can say is that I can relate. I recently started some gigs with a N.O. Trad jazz group where the "stuff" I play is very different to my usual jazz duo gigs where I do all the post bop stuff. I have a different guitar and mindset to do the rhythm stuff in this quartet(I'm the only chordal player) so 90% of the time I am chugging along doing spread triad chunks. However, because there is only one horn, a drummer and a bassist, I have to solo to allow some "scene changing" and give the horn player a little break. This is a big change to suddenly go from really hitting the guitar for as much acoustic sound as I can get to the more fine motor stuff of a solo. Top it off with the fact that I basically know zero Allan Reuss stuff so my chord soloing is lacking. If I switch to single line it's pretty difficult because I'm also trying to mentally filter out any bebop or post bop language that regularly just comes out as part of my improvisation. It all winds up being very difficult. I'm just hoping that with time I can get a little more of that stuff in my hands. I'd prefer one solo a set, honestly. I just don't know the tunes so I am reading this whole time, too.
    Haha I felt the exact same starting out almost 15 years ago… It’s a real challenge, physically, technically, mindset. Sometimes I even it, I was playing a lot of shows back then, learning on the gig. I see it as having been my apprenticeship.

    I can say things get easier. after a while you get to a place where you can just naturally fall into it.


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