Failure and weakness

[Christian Miller]

After 30 years of studying jazz guitar and playing gigs for actual money I have come to the conclusion that I can’t really play quarter notes.

What’s your greatest failure or weakness?


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[DanielleOM]

I started looking at the new Jimmy Raney book. One of the early examples started off with an 1/8th note followed by a couple of quarter notes. Playing quarter notes on the "&" was a challenge from a timing perspective. I found I had to really slow down and count 1, 1& etc to play the example.

[Christian Miller]

I started looking at the new Jimmy Raney book. One of the early examples started off with an 1/8th note followed by a couple of quarter notes. Playing quarter notes on the "&" was a challenge from a timing perspective. I found I had to really slow down and count 1, 1& etc to play the example.

A rhythm worth mastering. It’s all over Parker


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[mr. beaumont]

Too many to list!

[djg]

After 30 years of studying jazz guitar and playing gigs for actual money I have come to the conclusion that I can’t really play quarter notes.

What’s your greatest failure or weakness?

i'm the slowest bop guitarist out there. north of 240 bpm i fall apart. my quarter notes swing like mofos though.

[pamosmusic]

i'm the slowest bop guitarist out there. north of 240 bpm i fall apart. my quarter notes swing like mofos though.

I was going to say this too so maybe we’re tied.

I think it’s the way I slur. Makes the lines sound really good but when it gets really fast guys seem to rely on those really systematic right hand techniques.

[Christian Miller]

Too many to list!

Please don’t conclude that I feel this is my only weakness…. :-)


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[David B]

Greatest musical failure: not getting out there and doing it much, much sooner in the learning process. Thinking that I would have to reach a certain standard before I could get up at a jam session or call someone to come round for a play. Years spent with books, forums and videos translating into a theoretical knowledge of playing jazz that's much more advanced than my ability to actually play with or for another human being.

[Christian Miller]

Greatest musical failure: not getting out there and doing it much, much sooner in the learning process. Thinking that I would have to reach a certain standard before I could get up at a jam session or call someone to come round for a play. Years spent with books, forums and videos translating into a theoretical knowledge of playing jazz that's much more advanced than my ability to actually play with or for another human being.

Are playing out now David?


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[David B]

Are playing out now David?


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Sadly I'm not much further along. Once in a blue moon in a workshop or jam session setting.

[mr. beaumont]

So rather than mention the many shortcomings in my playing, I'll say my greatest weakness is that I am absolutely terrible at promoting myself.

[AllanAllen]

So rather than mention the many shortcomings in my playing, I'll say my greatest weakness is that I am absolutely terrible at promoting myself.

Self promotion is a grind man. Only to have the FB algorithm show you Delvon Lamarr hosted the nearby Sunday afternoon jazz jam 2 days after it happened.

Failure and weakness, I find myself trying to do too much in lines and comping to keep it interesting. Thinking I can't repeat stuff, or can't play something simple and diatonic. With transcription, I see this isn't the case, people repeat simple things all the time. For example, there was a Frank Vignola stream where he was comping for the bass solo and Frank didn't even play the diminished part of a blues, he just hung on the IV. He did it every time too, and nobody threw a tomato, and he still has the gig. Here I am hitting it loud and proud every time and inverting it, overplaying like a schmuck.

[Alter]

Endless list for me.. Strangely enough, my biggest "I can't do this" moment hasn't been in jazz, but in a pop group years ago, where we had to play a couple of Marley tunes. Simple easy sparse chords, I had the correct guitar, pickup choice, amp etc, and when I heard the recording I was shocked to hear how far from the right sound I was, no matter how much I tried. I would have never guessed..

In Jazz, I think the biggest challenge for me, coming from Rock, has always been learning the language. And in acoustic and classical guitar, getting a good sound.

[pamosmusic]

Failure and weakness, I find myself trying to do too much in lines and comping to keep it interesting. Thinking I can't repeat stuff, or
can't play something simple and diatonic. With transcription, I see this isn't the case, people repeat simple things all the time. For example, there was a Frank Vignola stream where he was comping for the bass solo and Frank didn't even play the diminished part of a blues, he just hung on the IV. He did it every time too, and nobody threw a tomato, and he still has the gig. Here I am hitting it loud and proud every time and inverting it, overplaying like a schmuck.

Unfortunately you’ll need to pick a new one because I think this one is literally everyone’s main failure/weakness

[AllanAllen]

I'm not that original to have my own thing.

[pingu]

I can’t alt pick for shit
and I can’t play up tempo ….

[GuyBoden]

I've played guitar for more than 45 years and know very little. This knowledge, of lack of knowledge, keeps me learning everyday.

In the last few years, I've had a resurgence in learning Jazz Standards again, I'm back to really enjoying them.

[RLetson]

AllanAllen: I don't know which of the Guitar Nights you're referring to, but I paid special attention to all the rhythm/comping work on last week's performance with Vinnie Raniolo and was struck by how minimalist both Raniolo and Vignola could be. Ted Rosenthal's piano work, too, for that matter. These guys really understand how to stay out of the way and still make things work.

[AllanAllen]

AllanAllen: I don't know which of the Guitar Nights you're referring to, but I paid special attention to the all rhythm/comping work on last week's performance with Vinnie Raniolo and was struck by how minimalist both Raniolo and Vignola could be. Ted Rosenthal's piano work, too, for that matter. These guys really understand how to stay out of the way and still make things work.

It might've been the Pasquale / Jimmy Bruno one. I noticed Frank did a little more on bass solo in the Raniolo stream, but I was paying more attention to Raniolo who seemed to be playing a lot of guitar, but not making a lot of sound... if that makes sense.

[pauln]

There were times when I was in the corporate world working on a very difficult and complex problem. One time after two weeks of effort on a particularly hard problem I started to get a bad feeling of hopelessness, a feeling that maybe I was not going to be able to solve it. The feeling was so vivid I began to think about the feeling itself and realized that I had encountered this feeling before - right before solving other problems. So it happened again that after hitting this palpable bad feeling I saw the solution a few minutes later.
I believe the explanation is that I actually recognize the solution first subconsciously, and the signal indicating that the solution has been seen comes from my unconscious self to my conscious self in the "language" of the unconscious, which is not logical or verbal but through a feeling that will get my attention and make me stop what I'm doing. This "darkest before the dawn" feeling is now a welcome event when I'm buried deep into what seems to be an intractable problem. Then I know that I already have the solution if I stop and surface out of the murky depths of the problem to clearly see it.

Now days with my trio the fundamental thing is finding places to play. Our ideal is a continuous schedule in a nice place. After a couple of long days hunting in person, we just negotiated an extended schedule of bi-weekly performances at a very nice chef owned wine tasting restaurant.

Whatever it is, keep trying, and keep note of your feelings; they may be trying to help you identify and recognize success.

[Christian Miller]

Nah I’m gonna give up jazz guitar and go into lion taming


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[AllanAllen]

Now days with my trio the fundamental thing is finding places to play. Our ideal is a continuous schedule in a nice place. After a couple of long days hunting in person, we just negotiated an extended schedule of bi-weekly performances at a very nice chef owned wine tasting restaurant.

A steady gig would be a dream, all this hustling for a one nighter with no re-booking stinks.

[RJVB]

I can’t really play quarter notes.

Since you're a jazz guitarist ... take the 4x tempo and play whole notes, does that help?

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To answer the question: currently, having too many distractions and being about 4 hours out of phase...

[Christian Miller]

Since you're a jazz guitarist ... take the 4x tempo and play whole notes, does that help?

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To answer the question: currently, having too many distractions and being about 4 hours out of phase...

Weirdly, this doesn’t help


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[A. Kingstone]

I don't think my phrases sound like bebop.

I'm a sucker for hippy chicks.