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    A vintage Ibanez. Mine is a blonde 83. A guitar in the vein of a 175. The tune is "Scrapple from the Apple." I played it through my Mambo 10 amp. It's the 4th tune in my "Bop Till You Drop" project.

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    That is actually a great sounding axe .. To my ears it's not quite as scooped as your Gibson's, a bit more in your face .. I like it!


    Play that a bit more

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    Sounds great! Really great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    That is actually a great sounding axe .. To my ears it's not quite as scooped as your Gibson's, a bit more in your face .. I like it! Play that a bit more
    Yes, it's a great guitar. Still, they are not that cheap on the used market. Pretty rare too. I do not know how the FG 100 compares to recent AF models though. The AF 2000 seems a more luxurious guitar.

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    Please don't ever drop. I"m loving this bop.

    Guitar sounds like a million dollars. You get the bop vibe from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    Please don't ever drop. I"m loving this bop. Guitar sounds like a million dollars. You get the bop vibe from it.
    Thanks. What helps is that these days I know how to record an archtop. That took me a number of years ... But the guitar has to sound good to begin with ...

    Next one will be "Au Privave." An easy one.

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    Here some pics of the FG 100. Top and back feature nice bird's eye maple.

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    Ibanez FG 100: Scrapple from the Apple-fg-100-full-shot-jpgIbanez FG 100: Scrapple from the Apple-fg-100-front-jpgIbanez FG 100: Scrapple from the Apple-fg-100-back-jpg

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    A 1982 FG100 has been for sale near me for several weeks now. Asking $2000 cdn (~1600 usd). It appears to be in very good condition. I must admit I'm very tempted to go check it out. Quality archtops in that price range don't pop up all that often near me, and your videos and review showcase it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LifeOnJazz
    A 1982 FG100 has been for sale near me for several weeks now. Asking $2000 cdn (~1600 usd). It appears to be in very good condition. I must admit I'm very tempted to go check it out. Quality archtops in that price range don't pop up all that often near me, and your videos and review showcase it well.
    Prices for these models have been going up steadily over the years ... They are not cheap anymore. I don't know how they compare to the current top Ibanez models though. Some are in that price range. You would have to play them side by side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
    Prices for these models have been going up steadily over the years ... They are not cheap anymore. I don't know how they compare to the current top Ibanez models though. Some are in that price range. You would have to play them side by side.

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    Yup, a year ago when I was archtop shopping, I found one FG100 on Reverb for $1600 in rough condition and none anywhere else. My guess is that the closest thing to it in current models is the PM200 (at least on paper).

    In terms of sound, all I had to go on in terms of comparison is demo videos when I was looking, which I find very mostly uninformative. I've not heard a single demo of any current-issue Ibanezes that sounds quite like your FG100 (which in your videos sounds a whole lot like your 175), but it's hard to know what to make of that.
    Demos I've heard of the AF125 come a lot closer, but they don't make those anymore. The Ibbies I've actually played seem like a different flavor.

    The AF 2000 (or 2000), has a laminated spruce top, which is a somewhat different sound from lam maple. I haven't played one, but my 77 has one also, and I'd say it sort of splits the difference between an L4 and a 175, while retaining some "thunk", but is not truly the 175 sound of your FG100. There are a bunch of Chris Whteman videos here (especially in the chord melody sub-forum) with an AF200, which IMO confirm the contrast between it and your FG100. But nothing really replaces the experience of trying the guitar oneself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
    Yes, it's a great guitar. Still, they are not that cheap on the used market. Pretty rare too. I do not know how the FG 100 compares to recent AF models though. The AF 2000 seems a more luxurious guitar.

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    The AF200 and 2000 I don't think really compare to the FG or FA models, which I think sound pretty close. The Fa and FG have that tight, solid maple sound and they have a weight to them. Where as the AF's have a more soggy spruce sound and are pretty light.
    The FG will sound more responsive with tight, round notes. The AF is on the other end but the difference is small.

    The appointments on the FG are very good, the only slight negative being the colour of the rosewood board and the inlays.
    It's not bad it's just not as luxurious as ebony etc The tops and backs they put on them are very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchtopHeaven
    The AF200 and 2000 I don't think really compare to the FG or FA models, which I think sound pretty close. The Fa and FG have that tight, solid maple sound and they have a weight to them. Where as the AF's have a more soggy spruce sound and are pretty light.
    The FG will sound more responsive with tight, round notes. The AF is on the other end but the difference is small.
    Interesting observation, and I agree with it ( although not sure I'd call spruce tops "soggy" ). Generally, lam maple tops have a tighter and weightier sound, and can cut through more, although lam maple sounds a bit more 2-dimensional to me. But that might not matter, depending on context; it's a positive advantage when playing 8th note lines, although less so when comping for a sleazy ballad. I certainly agree about the AF sound, from recent experience, and I'd say the difference was substantial. Many players are after that top end tight, weighty sound, but from a spruce top with its prettier and more 3-D tone - but I don't know of many/ any production models that can combine both.

    It's interesting that some luthiers say that what they are striving for in "weight & fatness in the treble notes" ( I think that quote came from Byant Trenier, and I know that's what Daniel Slaman looks for). That's understandable; luthiers by definition would prefer to carve and tune tops from spruce. Borys is an exception, no doubt there are others.

    I really like the FG100 sound here; it's not especially delicate, but very solid and sounds exactly right for this tune. There are some Menconi clips that sound as good, with the same guitar.
    I have an early 70s Ibanez 1860 model that gets a similar sound; both it and the FG ( I think ) have maple necks, which are generally shunned by 175 lovers

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    Don't include the AF2000 with its anigre (mahogany) back and sides with the AF200 (itself a fine guitar) with its maple back and sides. Both have spruce tops, that's true, but the body does give a different character.

    Anyway, DB makes everything sound like it was made for bebop :-)

    I do love this tight, poppy sound, though, but the AF2000 suits me perfectly. Of course, once can have more than one guitar, so, maybe someday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob MacKillop
    Don't include the AF2000 with its anigre (mahogany) back and sides with the AF200 (itself a fine guitar) with its maple back and sides. Both have spruce tops, that's true, but the body does give a different character.

    Anyway, DB makes everything sound like it was made for bebop :-)
    I wasn't at all knocking the AF guitars; I recently had a s/h AF200 ( different, as you point out) and thought it was a superb instrument in every respect but one, rather outclassing the big G's offerings. It had a lush and complex tone, even approaching L5 territory, but noticeably stringier and less weighty on the top end than my other, much older workhorses. I sometimes wonder if it's to do with age; I have a 58/60 L4C conversion that has that dense, poppy sound, despite being made of carved spruce. Or, It could be the hard life it's had..

    Well yeah, Dick only plays maple laminated guitars as far as I know . It would be interesting to hear him do it on a tele..

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    Like Joe Pass did...Go on, Dick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz 1997
    Interesting observation, and I agree with it ( although not sure I'd call spruce tops "soggy" ). Generally, lam maple tops have a tighter and weightier sound, and can cut through more, although lam maple sounds a bit more 2-dimensional to me. But that might not matter, depending on context; it's a positive advantage when playing 8th note lines, although less so when comping for a sleazy ballad. I certainly agree about the AF sound, from recent experience, and I'd say the difference was substantial. Many players are after that top end tight, weighty sound, but from a spruce top with its prettier and more 3-D tone - but I don't know of many/ any production models that can combine both.

    It's interesting that some luthiers say that what they are striving for in "weight & fatness in the treble notes" ( I think that quote came from Byant Trenier, and I know that's what Daniel Slaman looks for). That's understandable; luthiers by definition would prefer to carve and tune tops from spruce. Borys is an exception, no doubt there are others.

    I really like the FG100 sound here; it's not especially delicate, but very solid and sounds exactly right for this tune. There are some Menconi clips that sound as good, with the same guitar.
    I have an early 70s Ibanez 1860 model that gets a similar sound; both it and the FG ( I think ) have maple necks, which are generally shunned by 175 lovers
    Very good.

    Low key recording and live playing, I like spruce. Band playing or anything at volume, I would be heading towards maple. I prefer laminated maple to solid maple, as solid seems too glassy but I'm going to do some solid carved, maple tops, with a thin lamination of spruce underneath, to try and balance that out. I'm sure it's already been done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz 1997
    Well yeah, Dick only plays maple laminated guitars as far as I know . It would be interesting to hear him do it on a tele..
    No he doesn’t...


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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    No he doesn’t...

    That's a maple and mahogany laminate