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    it is a bit too blingy

    take away the abalone truss rod cover

    and I would prefer a whole different - aesthetically simpler - thing on the headstock - just an eagle maybe?

    I am starting to like those roundy-shaped inlays

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    I think 8-9k to get a new one

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    Face it. We never saw the day that a Heritage Golden Eagle would be selling in excess of $5k because the company stopped producing them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groyniad
    I think 8-9k to get a new one
    2018 Golden Eagle NAMM price was: $8,999

    Custom Shop Winter NAMM 2018 Golden Eagle Electric Guitar, Original Su – Heritage Guitars

    Prices have likely gone up since then.

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    So what the company is truly saying is: We don’t want to make them any more.

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    Heritage again - but seriously...-b6197913-171e-4bfe-b6e2-8bf9511f4e1e-jpegHeritage again - but seriously...-e2efa2c0-b117-46c3-9dc0-535824f375a7-png

    this years NAMM teaser

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    Is that a teaser for the cancelled NAMM'21 show, or the NAMM '22 show (fingers crossed!)? Interesting comparison from the guitar shown at NAMM'19 and the more recent one shown:
    Attached Images Attached Images Heritage again - but seriously...-namm19-heritage-custom-png Heritage again - but seriously...-namm21-heritage-custom-png 
    Last edited by Hammertone; 06-13-2021 at 02:30 AM.

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    This is the one for sale at Heritage through their Custom Shop, from NAMM'18. Nicest one of the bunch by a country mile, IMO.
    Attached Images Attached Images Heritage again - but seriously...-namm18_heritage-ge-petefarmer1_1776-jpg Heritage again - but seriously...-namm18_heritage_1777-jpg 
    Last edited by Hammertone; 06-13-2021 at 02:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
    So what the company is truly saying is: We don’t want to make them any more.
    In that case I doubt they’d be showing them at NAMM every year. IMO what they are saying is “We’d like to pay our (American) workers and earn a profit.”

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    Time will tell
    if you follow their Facebook page it’s all about H150s and H635s

    second year in a row the PSP has been cancelled: reorganizationnof the production floor
    construction of the Hard Rock Cafe

    given as the reason
    UGH

    Buy used
    Last edited by Crm114; 06-13-2021 at 08:43 AM.

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    If you are serious about trying to get a Heritage Guitar then the person you might want to talk to his Marty Grads
    Marty knows a lot of people and being up in Kalamazoo he sees a lot of Heritage Guitars pass through his hands
    Some of the best deals I ever got were things I bought from Marty

    He recently bought three ghost Built Heritage Gretsch Guitars via a Julien’s auction I told him about
    18 inch Eldorados

    Heritage again - but seriously...-d6a270a2-e99e-46e3-b4f0-ec61dbe16152-jpegHeritage again - but seriously...-bb530117-7b23-4831-91c3-6aec21880a37-jpeg



    Quote Originally Posted by EllenGtrGrl
    Yeah, it is a nice guitar. I had a H535 with the fat neck option a couple of years ago (that was the guitar that made me realize that I REALLY prefer singlecuts to doublecuts, despite it being a killer guitar), and if it had the fat neck option, and cost a bit less, I could see owning it. Oh well, I'll just have to wait and see how the Eastman AR403CED I have on order turns out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
    what the company is truly saying is: We don’t want to make them any more.
    Quote Originally Posted by cmajor9
    In that case I doubt they’d be showing them at NAMM every year. IMO what they are saying is “We’d like to pay our (American) workers and earn a profit.”
    Quote Originally Posted by Crm114
    Time will tell
    if you follow their Facebook page it’s all about H150s and H635s ... Buy used
    I think they are simply following a smart marketing strategy that is similar to what Gibson has done. The market for Les Pauls and ES-xx5 guitars is much larger than the market for carved archtop guitars. Gibson sorted this out in the 1960s. Les Pauls and ES-xx5 guitars are much simpler and easier to make than carved archtop guitars. Baker, Benedetto, Collings, Comins, Eastman, Trenier and others have essentially followed variations of the same strategy - develop the brand halo with labour-intensive, complex, carved archtop guitars, and cash in with solid-body and/or laminate instruments, which are dead-easy to build by comparison. They may have gotten there in different ways, but it's still a very smart strategy.

    As far as carved archtop guitars go, they remain available to those who are willing to pay the price. Heritage pricing strategy is entirely in line with the industry from what I can see - they make a small quantity of lovely but stripped out 17" carved archtops for somewhere around $4,500-5,000 new, and highly decorated custom versions of the same thing for somewhere around $8,000-9,000.

    For those with the interest who are interested but unwilling to pay the price, there's the used market, enthusiastically embraced by some of the folks here, myself included. One of the nice things about this particular used market is that (I suspect) most owners tend to baby these instruments, so condition is usually not an issue.


    Last edited by Hammertone; 06-14-2021 at 11:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    I think they are simply following a smart marketing strategy that is similar to what Gibson has done. The market for Les Pauls and ES-xx5 guitars is much larger than the market for carved archtop guitars. Gibson sorted this out in the 1960s. Les Pauls and ES-xx5 guitars are much simpler and easier to make than carved archtop guitars. Baker, Benedetto, Collings, Comins, Eastman, Trenier and others have essentially followed variations of the same strategy - develop the brand halo with labour-intensive, complex carved archtop guitars, and cash in with solid-body and/or laminate instruments, which are dead-easy to build by comparison. They may have gotten there in different ways, but it's still a very smart strategy.

    As far as carved archtop guitars go, they remain available to those who are willing to pay the price. Heritage pricing strategy is entirely in line with the industry from what I can see - they make a small quantity of lovely but stripped out 17" carved archtops for somewhere around $4,500-5,000 new, and highly decorated custom versions of the same thing for somewhere around $8,000-9,000.

    For those with the interest who are interested but unwilling to pay the price, there's the used market, enthusiastically embraced by some of the folks here, myself included. One of the nice things about this particular used market is that (I suspect) most owners tend to baby these instruments, so condition is usually not an issue.
    Let me see...I can have a used late model L5CES for about $7500, or I can buy a new Heritage Golden Eagle for $8500....Hmmmm

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    Yes what Hammer said
    most people really baby there arch top and when you buy used you got a damn good chance of getting an almost new instrument at a really drastically reduced price especially compared to what these guys are wanting for them now


    imagine trying to buy a new L5 right now - what would that be costing

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
    Let me see...I can have a used late model L5CES for about $7500, or I can buy a new Heritage Golden Eagle for $8500....Hmmmm
    I think it's more useful to compare apples to apples:
    -new Gibson L-5CES @$10,000-11,000, new custom-built Heritage Golden Eagle for @$8,500
    -used L5CES for @$7,500, used Heritage Golden Eagle for @$4,500.
    -new custom-built Heritage Golden Eagle for @$8,500, new Heritage Eagle Classic for @$4,500.
    -new Gibson L-5CES for @$10,000-11,000, used L5CES for @$7,500.
    and so forth.
    Last edited by Hammertone; 06-14-2021 at 09:57 PM.

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    Gibson will always hold a greater value over Heritage. The name brand carries the cache as well as much greater amount of instruments to choose from.

    While there have been some beautiful looking Heritage Archtops in this thread. That is not the norm most people will encounter.
    Most are fairly stripped down of aesthetic as well as built to quite thinner plate carves, at least for Golden Eagles.

    I do think Pete Farmer seems to be an excellent luthier. And I hope he's allowed to make more Archtops for the brand. They definitely look better than the earlier period Heritages!

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    No disrespect to Ali diehard “only a Gibsons is good enough” cadre here but frankly those days are over
    Your best bet financially and for a high-quality instrument is to order from Mark Campellone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    I think it's more useful to compare apples to apples:
    -new Gibson L-5CES @$10,000-11,000, new custom-built Heritage Golden Eagle for @$8,500
    -used L5CES for @$7,500, used Heritage Golden Eagle for @$4,500.
    -new custom-built Heritage Golden Eagle for @$8,500, new Heritage Eagle Classic for @$4,500.
    -new Gibson L-5CES for @$10,000-11,000, used L5CES for @$7,500.
    and so forth.
    But unless you buy from a personal seller you can’t even find GE’s for $4500 today. The guitar I recently sold was the last one!

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    Heritage's Custom Shop "Bespoke" program will build a new Golden Eagle for a quoted $8,999. That was the last quote dated 2018.

    Custom Shop Winter NAMM 2018 Golden Eagle Electric Guitar, Original Su – Heritage Guitars

    Gibson L5 will set you back $10,599 and up depending on options, Wes Mo, etc.

    Gibson Custom L-5 CES Hollowbody Electric Guitar - Vintage Sunburst | Sweetwater

    At least there are two relatively large U.S. guitar makers still making upscale archtops. Smaller builders like Campellone are a great alternative.

    Buying used is another option. For many folks (like me) used is the best option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    Gibson will always hold a greater value over Heritage. The name brand carries the cache as well as much greater amount of instruments to choose from.

    While there have been some beautiful looking Heritage Archtops in this thread. That is not the norm most people will encounter.
    Most are fairly stripped down of aesthetic as well as built to quite thinner plate carves, at least for Golden Eagles.

    I do think Pete Farmer seems to be an excellent luthier. And I hope he's allowed to make more Archtops for the brand. They definitely look better than the earlier period Heritages!
    My experience differs with Golden Eagles. The woods and appointments tend to be quite good. The plates often are thinner, which is more work than less. Commonly they are x-braced. They are designed for a fuller acoustic spectrum.

    Heritage has made many parallel braced, thick plated Golden Eagles, too. Back a few years ago you could specify the bracing and the top thickness.

    I agree that the Gibson name adds to the market price. I'm certainly not a Gibson basher.

  22. #46

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marty Grass
    My experience differs with Golden Eagles. The woods and appointments tend to be quite good. The plates often are thinner, which is more work than less. Commonly they are x-braced. They are designed for a fuller acoustic spectrum.
    Heritage has made many parallel braced, thick plated Golden Eagles, too. Back a few years ago you could specify the bracing and the top thickness.
    I agree that the Gibson name adds to the market price. I'm certainly not a Gibson basher.
    A reminder here as well:
    -the Golden Eagle is not based on the L-5.
    -it is based on the Kalamazoo Award / Johnny Smith / Legrand.
    Last edited by Hammertone; 06-16-2021 at 08:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    A reminder here as well:
    -the Golden Eagle is not based on the L-5.
    -it is based on the Kalamazoo Award / Johnny Smith / Legrand.
    That is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    A reminder here as well:
    -the Golden Eagle is not based on the L-5.
    -it is based on the Kalamazoo Award / Johnny Smith / Legrand.
    So the going price of a used GE should at least be worth a third the price of a used Kalamazoo Award, which would be $5k.

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    I'm under the impression that used Heritage GE archtops currently sell somewhere in the $3,500 - $4,500 range, depending on how special/custom they are, with a few outliers one way or the other. There isn't a large data set from which to work, but I'm under the impression that prices have been trending upward for awhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    I'm under the impression that used Heritage GE archtops currently sell somewhere in the $3,500 - $4,500 range, depending on how special/custom they are, with a few outliers one way or the other.
    did you catch the non cutaway Jay Wolfe SE for $8.5k! Nice piece!

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