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    Hello all, long time reader here but, generally not much of a poster. However, I received a new (old) Guild x150D today and am having some issues. I got it for a steal because the owner said it had fret buzz, which was quickly remedied with a truss rod and action readjustment. However, the action is just high enough right now with the saddle on the high e basically maxed out. It's absolutely playable as-is, I would even go as far to describe it as near optimal, but I'm a bit worried as there's minimal contact between the adjustment screw and the bridge. I am reasonably knowledgablE about the ins and outs of guitars and this feels like an issue that would occur with a sunken top, yet the top really doesn't look too bad for a 20+ year old guitar. I need to get a new bridge regardless, but I'd appreciate any input on the state of the top; maybe I'm completely off base and it is sunken terribly.

    Also, if anyone happens to know what the radius is on these, I'd appreciate it!

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    Last edited by Dwafers; 05-13-2021 at 05:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwafers
    Hello all, long time reader here but, generally not much of a poster. However, I received a new (old) Guild x150D today and am having some issues. I got it for a steal because the owner said it had fret buzz, which was quickly remedied with a truss rod and action readjustment. However, the action is just high enough right now with the saddle on the high e basically maxed out. It's absolutely playable as-is, I would even go as far to describe it as near optimal, but I'm a bit worried as there's minimal contact between the adjustment screw and the bridge. I am reasonably knowledgablE about the ins and outs of guitars and this feels like an issue that would occur with a sunken top, yet the top really doesn't look too bad for a 20+ year old guitar. I need to get a new bridge regardless, but I'd appreciate any input on the state of the top; maybe I'm completely off base and it is sunken terribly.

    Also, if anyone happens to know what the radius is on these, I'd appreciate it!

    Question about (possible) sunken top-x150d-jpg

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    Difficult to see from the photo. Could you post another that takes in the whole area from tailpiece to rhe end of the neck - that will help us to give you a view.......

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    My i50 looks like the picture. I put a Sadowski saddle on it . These Guilds don't seem to have much arch. Sounds excelent Plays like like butter. mickmac

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    I would get a mirror on the inside and check for cracked braces or other structural issues. My experience is that archtops, like houses can settle over time and be totally stable, while looking a bit "off". As an archtop guitar sinks, the break angle to the tailpiece changes and this can affect tone and playability. If there are no structural issues and you like the sound and playability, all you need to do is address the bridge issue (either build up the base, get a taller saddle or just replace the entire unit.)

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    Here's a pic of the larger area.

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    It really doesn't look that bad to my eyes, but the bridge being cranked up is rather strange to me. I originally though someone shaved it down (the base is very thin), but the original serial number is still sharpied on the bottom. Regardless, I'll have to get a new bridge, or at least a new larger base.

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    It does not look sunk to me, but it won’t hurt to take a light and a mirror and inspect the braces for cracks or becoming unglued....

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    I was able to get a mirror in there and both braces look good, no cracks or separation. The base measures only about 4mm tall which seems rather small. Even 5mm would get me into acceptable range; it's sitting at about 2.2mm on the low e and 1.9mm on the high e (12th fret on both) with pretty much no more room to go up without wobbling on the thumbscrews.

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    For around $15-25 you can order a new rosewood bridge on ebay. Chinese or Indian made. They are great: well made, good looking and perfectly functional. I have one on my 1950 ES-125. Mine has a base or foot that seems taller than average, so perfect for you guitar it seems.

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    Afaik any structural problem would be visible or at least hearable/feelable.
    Are you sure the neck is straight?

    I‘ve seen thicker bridge bases if you like to raise up the string height (to me your string height sounds high but that‘s just me :-P)…

    Best advice: check out

    Archtops/Hollowbodies | Let's Talk Guild

    I‘m sure they can help!

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    I cannot tell the top is sunk. Need a better picture. Some archtops appear to flatten at the top where the bridge meets and not sunk. I just cannot tell a thing from the picture.