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Originally Posted by RobbieAG
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"I had that big Marshall with at least one 4X12 bottom. I had a Maestro Phase Shifter, a Maestro full-range booster, and a volume pedal. That was it."
all primitive pedals!
here's the maestro full range boost
and a newer diy clone
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This is what my first drive unit looked like.
It just plugged right into the amp's input. Then I plugged my guitar into the top of this thing and switched it on.
Didn't help my Vibro Champ (or my playing) sound much better, however.
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ah! fuzz plug ins...like the og jordan bosstone...many a 60's garage band used one...
ridiculously simple design yet somehow otherworldly! esp in them days
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Originally Posted by neatomic
Years later I see one of the Doobie Brothers sporting one on TV.
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Is it a real OD of Allan?
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Honestly I didn't follow all the drive pedals that were released in the last 20 years. That's because I always come back to my RAT from the 90s. I have tried some of the newer "boutique" drives (like Zendrive, Box of Rock, Simble – after that I gave up) that sound good at home but don't sit as well in the mix as the RAT – especially when playing with the neck pickup I found most of them had too much bass. The RAT cuts some bass. Between the distortion and filter control it handles everything from mild overdrive to brutal distortion. It can even do a little fuzz. And it bites through the mix like a rat.
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Originally Posted by ruger9
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by ruger9
Google ‘Impulse Response’ if you aren’t familiar with IR’s.
The speaker emulation circuit in the Tech 21 isnt very good by today’s standards (and the drive on it is frankly crap) so I’ve swapped over to using Two Notes Torpedo Wall of Sound IR’s which are pretty great actually. I can specify cab type and the kind of room acoustic and mic positions etc, all of which gives more options (and is more neighbour friendly) than simply plopping a mic in front of my amp.
That said I still feel the Dude is a bit mushy straight in with an IR. it sounds good, but I think it could sound better with some sort of preamp emulation for which I have quite a few options, both software and hardware (I’d prefer hardware for latency, which is why I’m using pedals rather than plugins).
It’s not a big deal because this is more of a thing I was curious about than a central thing I wanted.
The pedal sounds great through my Princeton (and through the amp I actually use day to day too) of course, but that’s not going to be my primary application of it for the foreseeable.Last edited by christianm77; 03-04-2021 at 11:20 AM.
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I think a few people on the forum could do to check out those Wall of Sound IR’s; they probably sound very complicated but they are super easy to use and sound great .
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JHS morning glory v4 is a great low to medium gain OD. Might be versatile for low to medium gain fusion? It sounds great to me...
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Originally Posted by tomems
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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They do clean perfectly well and have served me in a pinch like when I’m touring and there’s no house amp at the venue (I also like them for warming up my AER etc) but for recording theres really better options around.
The ‘Plexi’ on my FlyRig is just horrendous. I wonder if the drive is any better on the other versions?
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I don't think so. I've had the "Blonde", the RK OMG (it's supposed to be a hot-rodded version of the Plexi), and another one I can't remember at the moment. I have also tried their delay & boost, and the Leslie/rotary one. I haven't found a Tech21 pedal I've liked yet.
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I have been messing around with: Joyo American Sound (basically a Tech 21 Blonde clone, but with a slightly different EQ) —> Quilter Microblock 45 —> pine cab loaded with an Eminence GA-10 SC-64 (or whatever that thing is called) and accounting for differences in speaker and cabinet construction, I can dial in a gently pushed low-gain late 1950s tweed tone that could absolutely replace my real tweed-era Fender clone if I wanted to part with it. If I had to nitpick about this rig, it has a bit crisper of an attack than the 5Y3/6V6 squishiness of the real deal, but it’s awfully damn close. I realize this has nothing to do with this thread topic so I’ll shutup now.
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I had a little fun with this the other night. With a strat I had to run it through a boost (DOD Bifet Boost) and 2 overdrives (Boss SD1 and DOD Overdrive 250) to get anywhere close. This was through a Roland Cube 60 and headphones so that was a limitation. I expect the results with one of my humbucker guitars through my Mesa Boogie would be completely different. It really is guitar and amp dependent to get it dialed in. Not so easy to do.
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Originally Posted by tomems
But the good news is that they stack really well, you can run a boost into it and that would probably get you there.
That's the principle behind the King of Tone, which is a great but hard to get pedal. There are knockoffs of it, or you can use a MG or Prince of Tone with a boost as stated. Then you would have the versatility of two lower gain drives as well.
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Originally Posted by bluejaybill
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Originally Posted by tomems
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I found the vintage rat reissue to be a good compromise between the gated fusion sound and dynamic OD. This is through a lexicon sig 284 pre direct to DAW but would think similar results may be achieved with say a tweed. Guitar solo at 3:14.
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On this topic, has anyone tried any of the overdrive pedals that use a Nutube?
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Originally Posted by christianm77
I don't know what would be creamier than a Tube Screamer but for shear variety of sounds this is impressive;
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This discussion gives me GAS!!!!!
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looks impressive
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I like the Dude. It stays.
Got a good recorded sound the other day
Now I understand the 'Ratio' control it actually makes it the perfect drive pedal for a jazz guitarist.
And yes, it is way creamier than a tube screamer.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by wzpgsr
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Originally Posted by wzpgsr
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In this clip I'm using the Orange channel of a Mesa Tremoverb.
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Well here is the Dude recorded through some amp and speaker simulation straight in. Sounds good I think! Happy ending to this thread?
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Just curious, where do you have the ratio (gain) set? It sounds like you've got it set pretty low?
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Originally Posted by ruger9
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Incidentally the ratio only functions as a gain after 12 o clock as I’m sure you know... up to there it’s a blend, which is really cool. I might post some more straightahead tones.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by bluejaybill
I actually need to sell some.
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I have had different Zens, the Ethos and various TS. In the end they all feel boxy.
Purchased the current Kingsley Ministrel - it actually feels different when playing and sounds more "hifi" and less brittle if that makes sounds. Does the dumbly fusion thing to a t.
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Originally Posted by blue_lu
However, now that I'm playing alot more clean than I used to... maybe I should take another look at the Kingsley stuff. I know it's top quality.
Holy crap!! I just saw the prices!! No way I'm paying that much for a drive pedal, tube or not. (this is not a criticism of Kingsley. *I* just can't pay that much for a drive pedal. IMO, it's money better spent on finding the better amp for what I'm after.)
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They are super expensive, absolutely. But there is no way I am buying a dumble amp and I like the sound a lot. I have no car to lug an amp that big around. With a usual fender tube combo I can get the sounds above - so I am happy.
And compared to prices of Zendrive knock off #1000 these are built like amps, run high voltage and are - as far as I can tell, original designs. Also they sound AND FEEL a lot better than other pedals.
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Different way of using the Dude. Very low ratio, which means there’s a drive mixed in there but it’s very subtle. I like the way it fattens everything up.
This one is a miked amp, with a delay and reverb in the signal chain.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Kingsley pedals are amazing. Real 12ax7 tube. Simon makes a few that are on the smoother side and the Harlot is more edgy. Check out his YouTube stuff.
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I like the way I bought a drive pedal and people are still recommending other ones. It’s a true guitarists mindset haha. Surely one drive is never enough?
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by ruger9
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Not jazz at all or even fusion, but I always really liked the tone of this strat through the dude into a Fender
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