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    I see that Ibanez is making another attempt to launch a fully hollow thinline, this time using the AM body shape. The models available seem to depend upon which territory you are located, however there is at least an AMH90 at around $500 and the Made in Japan AM2000H at around $2000. They have humbuckers rather than P90s, so not quite a Casino competitor. Certainly seems to be aimed at the Jazz and Blues communities.

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    I'd like to see where the studs for the bridge are inserted. Probably not in the top alone without some other supporting structure.

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    Good point - there is surprisingly little detail concerning the construction

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    AMH90 is interesting.


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    thanks for the info Newsense
    i had a look at the link

    its difficult to tell from the website
    if those two models are in fact hollow

    (they do have trapeze tailpieces so I’m hopeful )

    how can we confirm the hollowness of these models please ?

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    The ratio of F-hole to top seems high...

    Just kidding...it's not a bad looking guitar, and I particularly like the woodgrain on that Artcore Expressionist.

    Always good to have more options re' hollowbodies.

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    there has to be a block underneath the in body fixed bridge....a guitar with just that small block is usually still called a full hollow...like epi casinos...

    if the block extends beyond that , then it's a semi hollow

    the am with trapeze tailpiece could very well be like the casino...full hollow with small block under fixed bridge


    cheers

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    The Ibanez Facebook page refers to them as full hollow body. Not sure whether this is reliably definitive. Somebody should volunteer to buy one to confirm true hollowness! New Ibanez Thinline Hollowbodies

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    "Another attempt" is kinda downplaying Ibanez's commitment to guitars with appeal to the jazz community. With the new additions, there's got to be some 50 full and semihollow models offered. (Too many, if you ask me.)

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    I was referring to the previous, shortlived AS style full holowbody that was in the catalog a few years ago, but sadly discontinued, presumably due to poor sales. That is why I referred to the new AMH models as "another attempt" .

    I didn't mean to sound disparaging - I've been very happy with a number of Ibanez that I have previously owned.

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    Sweet design!



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    The new AM2000H hollow thinline currently clocks in at €2500, with the new AF2000 Archtop (replacing the AF200) clocking in at €2400


    I dunno .. Ibanez seemed cheaper not that long ago .. I guess we gotta give them 12 months and see if it's a new release type price that will slowly drop?


    With a PM100 and PM120 in my collection, I'm not really in the market, but who knows .. might always get tempted?

    I do have a fondness for Ibanez guitars despite the poly finish and all .. They make good stuff

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    The one the pic above looks suspiciously like a Gibson Johnny A - I like it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigracer
    The one the pic above looks suspiciously like a Gibson Johnny A - I like it!
    My thoughts as well.

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    Me I’m thinking the AM93ME with the ebony top.
    650$ at Sweetwater.
    Hmmmm..

    HOWEVER found this on Sweetwater:
    The Ibanez Artcore Expressionist AM93ME electric guitar gives you the best of both worlds — the warmth and resonance of a semi-hollowbody and the compact handling ease of a solidbody....If you've been wanting a semi-hollowbody, check out the Ibanez Artcore Expressionist AM93ME.
    The perfect balance between solid and semi-hollow
    The Ibanez AM Series guitars walk the line between solid and semi-hollowbody. The AM93ME's comfortable, compact double-cut body features a solid center block that gives you the sustain typical of a solidbody, while the ebony archtop, back, and sides form an acoustic chamber that vents through dual F-holes to give you the added warmth you expect from a classic semi-hollowbody guitar. The design is a delicate balance, and Ibanez nails it, giving you a guitar that combines the warmth of a semi-hollowbody with the compact dimensions of a solid.


    Last edited by jazzkritter; 01-19-2021 at 10:21 PM. Reason: Found specs... it hollow

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzkritter
    Me I’m thinking the AM93ME with the ebony top.
    650$ at Sweetwater.
    Hmmmm..

    HOWEVER found this on Sweetwater:
    The Ibanez Artcore Expressionist AM93ME electric guitar gives you the best of both worlds — the warmth and resonance of a semi-hollowbody and the compact handling ease of a solidbody....If you've been wanting a semi-hollowbody, check out the Ibanez Artcore Expressionist AM93ME.
    The perfect balance between solid and semi-hollow
    The Ibanez AM Series guitars walk the line between solid and semi-hollowbody. The AM93ME's comfortable, compact double-cut body features a solid center block that gives you the sustain typical of a solidbody, while the ebony archtop, back, and sides form an acoustic chamber that vents through dual F-holes to give you the added warmth you expect from a classic semi-hollowbody guitar. The design is a delicate balance, and Ibanez nails it, giving you a guitar that combines the warmth of a semi-hollowbody with the compact dimensions of a solid.



    Hard to see on the Ibanez page, but the stoptail piece indicates a centerblock on the AM93 ... I think you want the AMH90

    Edit: Nope .. Both Sweetwater and Thomann have that one labelled as a semi-hollow too ... oh well
    Edit2: Then the bridge with the pins going into the body made me suspecious and I looked up the AMH2000 too .. Thomann has that as a semi too .. Apprently they're all semi-hollow? .. Oh well .. never mind then

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    Don't forget that during some of the 1970's, the ES-335 (always a semi) had a trapeze tailpiece.


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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    there has to be a block underneath the in body fixed bridge....a guitar with just that small block is usually still called a full hollow...like epi casinos...

    if the block extends beyond that , then it's a semi hollow

    the am with trapeze tailpiece could very well be like the casino...full hollow with small block under fixed bridge


    cheers
    The Sweetwater listing for the AM 2000H says it is a semi- hollow. Lots of conflicting info out there right now but either way IMHO it's a pretty sweet looking guitar. Might have to start saving my pennies. New Ibanez Thinline Hollowbodies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov;[URL="tel:1091997"
    1091997[/URL]]Hard to see on the Ibanez page, but the stoptail piece indicates a centerblock on the AM93 ... I think you want the AMH90

    Edit: Nope .. Both Sweetwater and Thomann have that one labelled as a semi-hollow too ... oh well
    Edit2: Then the bridge with the pins going into the body made me suspecious and I looked up the AMH2000 too .. Thomann has that as a semi too .. Apprently they're all semi-hollow? .. Oh well .. never mind then
    i was afraid of that ...
    oh well back to the drawing board

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    The lack of real detail on construction is annoying. However it is interesting that Ibanez choose to differentiate the models with the trapeze by putting an H in the model number. H for hollow? Or H for "hey, look, I'm a jazz guitar?"

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    Just to add to the confusion, they're mentioned as a fully hollow in this video, around 1:14:30


    I'm interested either way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Average Joe
    Just to add to the confusion, they're mentioned as a fully hollow in this video, around 1:14:30


    I'm interested either way
    I guess we will just have to see ... He did single out the as2000 as semi-hollow snd the am2000 as fully hollow

    Now Im just 100% guessing, but there is the possibily that its a PRS like or Gretsch like thing where you have a post under the bridge, but not a full centerblock?
    Last edited by Lobomov; 01-20-2021 at 08:54 AM.

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    Andertons are definitely describing the AMH90 (and AM2000H) as full hollow guitars with a block for the bridge and "bracing" along the length, and distinguish that from the AM93 which has traditional semi-hollow centre block construction. This video was made in conjunction with Ibanez (part of their all day Ibanezathon live stream today).

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    Quote Originally Posted by newsense


    Andertons are definitely describing the AMH90 (and AM2000H) as full hollow guitars with a block for the bridge and "bracing" along the length, and distinguish that from the AM93 which has traditional semi-hollow centre block construction. This video was made in conjunction with Ibanez (part of their all day Ibanezathon live stream today).
    Do Andertons understand the phrase "full hollow guitars"?

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    Maybe we can start a fight over this ?
    ’Lets get ready to rumble!!’

    And in one corner we have:
    Both Sweetwater and Thomann have that one labelled as a semi-hollow too

    And in the other corner we have:
    Andertons are definitely describing the AMH90 (and AM2000H) as full hollow guitars

    In the third corner we have:
    Ibanez.com has the AM series in the hollow body category but says nothing about the build except:
    The AM was released by Ibanez for the first time in the early '80s. Though smaller in size than other hollow bodies,

    In the fourth corner, a bit more confusing:
    the Ibanez AR series, similar but under electric guitars not hollow body says :
    Hollow Body Construction

    Oh, Ibanez.

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    I think it's a hollow body filled with a partial center block !

    or…
    Can we consider a "full" hollow as a completely filled in body, in other words, a "solid" body ?


    Ok, sorry !

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzkritter
    Maybe we can start a fight over this ?
    ’Lets get ready to rumble!!’

    And in one corner we have:
    Both Sweetwater and Thomann have that one labelled as a semi-hollow too

    And in the other corner we have:
    Andertons are definitely describing the AMH90 (and AM2000H) as full hollow guitars

    In the third corner we have:
    Ibanez.com has the AM series in the hollow body category but says nothing about the build except:
    The AM was released by Ibanez for the first time in the early '80s. Though smaller in size than other hollow bodies,

    In the fourth corner, a bit more confusing:
    the Ibanez AR series, similar but under electric guitars not hollow body says :
    Hollow Body Construction

    Oh, Ibanez.

    That being said .. I fully trust Andertons description .. Especially given that Pete actually sticks his fingers thru the F-hole while describing it.

    It's a hollow guitar with a small block or a post under the bridge ... I suspect Sweetwater and Thomann both just post something random they've received from Ibanez .. I mean .. FFS Ibanez


    But wanna have a go at the AM90H given the new info or is the partial centerblock or whatever we call it still a deal breaker?

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    I’ll go for a used AM93ME I love the ebony, but at the right price. Once the Artcore line hits the used market the prices usually go low. Not really a problem As I got my AF95FM list 1000, new selling price 670, for 450.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    That being said .. I fully trust Andertons description .. Especially given that Pete actually sticks his fingers thru the F-hole while describing it.
    Understood ,so the question is ....

    Does the small block under the bridge contact the back or not ??

    (if not it is a hollowbody , if yes it is a semi hollow)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzkritter
    I’ll go for a used AM93ME I love the ebony, but at the right price. Once the Artcore line hits the used market the prices usually go low. Not really a problem As I got my AF95FM list 1000, new selling price 670, for 450.

    Yeah ... Used is always >>>>>>>>>>>> new


    Only problem is if you want something niche then it can be hard to find on the used market. But I'm in a small country, so we don't get a lot of choice

    (Which is the only reason I have an Ibanez PM100 and not a Gibson ES175 .. Tho gotta say the PM100 is such a joy, so not like I'm complaining)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pingu
    Understood ,so the question is ....

    Does the small block under the bridge contact the back or not ??

    (if not it is a hollowbody , if yes it is a semi hollow)
    Whatever people call it, we need someone to crack one open and post pics or a YouTube video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    ....

    But wanna have a go at the AM90H given the new info or is the partial centerblock or whatever we call it still a deal breaker?
    It will be perfectly fine. Small block below the bridge is the way Prs does it and I think it’s not new in the world of arch tops.
    the real question is if it will add something new compared to Ibanez pm 120..

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryPm
    It will be perfectly fine. Small block below the bridge is the way Prs does it and I think it’s not new in the world of arch tops.
    the real question is if it will add something new compared to Ibanez pm 120..

    If nothing else it's a different set of pups (super58s vs. silent58s) and you don't get that one tone knob before two volume pots wiring. Given the small block it's probably also slightly more feedback resistant, but who knows? .. Oh yeah .. and you get a roasted neck, if you believe that makes a difference?

    But it currently sits at almost twice the price of a used pm120, so the there is that too .. but I don't know how often you see a pm120 for sale tho?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    If nothing else it's a different set of pups (super58s vs. silent58s) and you don't get that one tone knob before two volume pots wiring. Given the small block it's probably also slightly more feedback resistant, but who knows? .. Oh yeah .. and you get a roasted neck, if you believe that makes a difference?

    But it currently sits at almost twice the price of a used pm120, so the there is that too .. but I don't know how often you see a pm120 for sale tho?
    a used pm120 is very rare and it goes for about 1800 euros these days I think.

    but I correct myself as I just saw the dimensions of the new am body. It’s significantly smaller than 16” at width so yes I believe it should have a different character altogether. Maybe more midrange and focused sound. But it will still have a full acoustic properties at least much more than the original AM version which carries a center block.

    very tempting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles;[URL="tel:1092460"
    1092460[/URL]]Whatever people call it, we need someone to crack one open and post pics or a YouTube video.
    or just poke a phone through the f hole

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryPm
    a used pm120 is very rare and it goes for about 1800 euros these days I think.
    Hmm .. I gut says 1400-1500 euros sounds more right .. at least for one of the black ones .. Tho you never know these days .. I'm still thinking in 2019 prices and prices have gone up a good bit since COVID hit?

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    Is usual from Ibanez, nothing left handed..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    Hmm .. I gut says 1400-1500 euros sounds more right .. at least for one of the black ones .. Tho you never know these days .. I'm still thinking in 2019 prices and prices have gone up a good bit since COVID hit?
    if I could find a pm120 at 1400€, I would buy a second one in a heartbeat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryPm
    if I could find a pm120 at 1400€, I would buy a second one in a heartbeat!
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    You guys are enablers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryPm
    if I could find a pm120 at 1400€, I would buy a second one in a heartbeat!

    Maybe I should start appreciating my own PM120 more??


    It's usually the one I reach for as it is comfortable as hell .. But never liked the 3 knob controls and find that while it sounds fine .. It is kinda bland. Some day I'll change the pups and maybe make someone install a 4th knob?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    Maybe I should start appreciating my own PM120 more??


    It's usually the one I reach for as it is comfortable as hell .. But never liked the 3 knob controls and find that while it sounds fine .. It is kinda bland. Some day I'll change the pups and maybe make someone install a 4th knob?
    Personally I don’t miss the missing tone knob. I kinda prefer it that way and I would never drill a new hole.

    But pickups yes, I would consider changing them but I am too lazy to mess with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    Is usual from Ibanez, nothing left handed..
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    Seriously. Lindy Fralin Modern PAF on my PM200.
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