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    So, seller will not send me more pics other than this blurry one.

    Is this a fake Gibson?-00a0a_ez8iwmzzh81_0ew0jm_1200x900-jpg

    Having a hard time getting any info. Other than the seller says they know nothing about it and they got it as part of a trade.

    I'm not an expert so not like some of the people here who can glance at something and know that it's a fake.

    So, sorry this is all I have.

    What do you guys think?

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    Real or not I would not buy from a difficult seller. Does sound a little fishy.

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    Which Gibson model is this supposed to be? A 175 definitely not. There's many features that tell me it's a fake: body and cutout shape, neck PU position, pic guard shape, material, color and attachment, fret markings, wrong "teardrop" shape at the end of the fretboard, position of PU switch. I think Ive seen a similar fake in a nearby guitar shop. But there are myriads of Gibson users, connoisseurs, collectors and former reps here who know better than me.

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    Fake.

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    Fugazi

    excuse me but just on general principles and manners, if someone wants to buy or sell with you they damn well better be courteous and helpful. If not, so long Charlie
    Last edited by Crm114; 01-14-2021 at 08:00 PM.

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    Just walk away. That fretboard end, the fret markers are weird, the tun8ng head; pickups, cut away, and switch just don’t look right. And the guy doesn’t seem trustabLe.

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    If it's Gibson it's either Super 400 or L5 with florentine cutaway. These models exist but the sellers attitude is suspicious.

    It's funny how they took the photo near a BMW to appear credible.

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    Chibson

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    Chibson
    Precisely

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    Absolute Phony!

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    Welcome to the Forum!

    [and do not buy that guitar!]

    Marc

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    What all those other guys said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    If it's Gibson it's either Super 400 or L5 with florentine cutaway. These models exist but the sellers attitude is suspicious.

    It's funny how they took the photo near a BMW to appear credible.
    This doesn't bear any resemblance to either of those models.

    Danny W.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danny W.
    This doesn't bear any resemblance to either of those models.

    Danny W.
    I think "doesn't bear any resemblance" is a bit of an overstatement:
    https://www.frettedamericana.com/sit...1692_front.jpg

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    Oui! Très fausse!

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    What's up with the crime scene markers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBGuitar
    What's up with the crime scene markers.
    Likely auction lot numbers

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    Do you already have a guitar? Which make and model? What’s wrong with that guitar or with your playing that a Gibson will fix?

    If you want a Gibson, which is only a symbol of status, not of quality, then find an instrument and seller who is trustworthy and responsive and pay the going price.

    If it looks suspicious, pass.

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    Absolutely fake. Not even an attempt to re-create the Gibson specs. That means a cheap ultra mass produced toy grade look alike. That photo is a little too close and clear to try to pass that off. To be convincing, it'd have to be taken from across a field-at night. I've seen better done ones in back rooms at Chinatown importers, and they were heavy as an anchor, no life to the sound and about a hundred bucks.
    How much was it going for?

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    It is not even a good fake. Everything that could be wrong is wrong.

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    Cool how the neck joins the body at the 16th fret.

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    For $150 it could be a nice guitar. I would not pay more.

    No, not a Gibson, as everyone has already spotted. Body shape looks like a Chinese kit-guitar that is sold as a '175-model':


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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    For $150 it could be a nice guitar. I would not pay more.

    No, not a Gibson, as everyone has already spotted. Body shape looks like a Chinese kit-guitar that is sold as a '175-model':

    Another project while still in lockdown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175

    It's funny how they took the photo near a BMW to appear credible.
    What's the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    What's the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?
    Tricky one.

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    Appreciate the responses and welcome!

    I'm walking away from this one thanks to you guys.

    And someone asked what guitar I currently owned, well as many of you all know, one's never enough, lol.

    I have a 2006 white Gibson Explorer, an Onyx NJ BC Rich Warlock (I was a heavy metal kid a long time ago), and a Marlin KM-6000 acoustic.

    Now in my 50s was broadening my horizons and this sale opened up near me.

    I'll keep looking and browsing the forums and seeing all the classy guitars you guys are so fond of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    What's the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?
    Pricks are outside, prick is inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    What's the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?
    Or, what is a pork-cupine?


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    Quote Originally Posted by xicanoink
    So, seller will not send me more pics other than this blurry one.

    Is this a fake Gibson?-00a0a_ez8iwmzzh81_0ew0jm_1200x900-jpg

    Having a hard time getting any info. Other than the seller says they know nothing about it and they got it as part of a trade.

    I'm not an expert so not like some of the people here who can glance at something and know that it's a fake.

    So, sorry this is all I have.

    What do you guys think?
    Also: Fake! Nothing looks right here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    What's the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?
    BE VERY CAREFUL HERE! I own a BMW because it was the only car I could afford at the time. My old Land Rover died and another member of my fire brigade had a beemer that he let me pay off in installments as it was hard to sell with 400K miles on the clock! Still going though.

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    Is this a fake Gibson?-089124cc-2c8f-437b-89f2-83716272f96a-jpeg

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    Likely auction lot numbers
    Sheriff, DEA , etc asset sale ??

    Didn't think of that - thx.

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    Even the BMW is probably a fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xicanoink
    So, seller will not send me more pics other than this blurry one.

    What do you guys think?
    I think maybe you should send him a picture of a check. A blurry one.

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    How is this picture blurry?

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    Might be a real 'something' but not a Gibson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelostboss
    BE VERY CAREFUL HERE! I own a BMW because it was the only car I could afford at the time. My old Land Rover died and another member of my fire brigade had a beemer that he let me pay off in installments as it was hard to sell with 400K miles on the clock! Still going though.
    My 320D which I bought new is hitting 15 years old and just as I don't get rid of my guitars because they are 'old', this marvellous well-behaved cheap to run motor will be with another while. Whether I am a p**** is for others to decide

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    I have been looking into this guitar and I have contacted the seller too. The seller doesn't know the model name or production year. I definitely think it could be fake, but there has been some incorrect info on this thread and nobody here has correctly identified the model it most closely resembles, which is a Gibson Byrdland.

    Byrdlands came in both double cuts and single cuts with a Florentine cutaway like this one. The weird teardrop end of the fretboard, the block inlays, that pickguard shape, the symbol on the headstock, are all found on Byrdlands. However, the arrangement of the knobs does not match any Byrdlands I have seen.

    The price is absurdly low and the seller acts suspicious, so it is wise to beware of this guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tongy
    I have been looking into this guitar and I have contacted the seller too. The seller doesn't know the model name or production year. I definitely think it could be fake, but there has been some incorrect info on this thread and nobody here has correctly identified the model it most closely resembles, which is a Gibson Byrdland.

    Byrdlands came in both double cuts and single cuts with a Florentine cutaway like this one. The weird teardrop end of the fretboard, the block inlays, that pickguard shape, the symbol on the headstock, are all found on Byrdlands. However, the arrangement of the knobs does not match any Byrdlands I have seen.

    The price is absurdly low and the seller acts suspicious, so it is wise to beware of this guitar.
    The guitar in the picture obviously has a significantly deeper body than a Byrdland.

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    Yes they vaguely copied some Byrdland characteristics, but not the most typical one: the thin body.

    This guitar screams “not a real Gibson” so loud that I didn’t even bother comparing it to a Byrdland.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tongy
    I have been looking into this guitar and I have contacted the seller too. The seller doesn't know the model name or production year. I definitely think it could be fake, but there has been some incorrect info on this thread and nobody here has correctly identified the model it most closely resembles, which is a Gibson Byrdland.

    Byrdlands came in both double cuts and single cuts with a Florentine cutaway like this one. The weird teardrop end of the fretboard, the block inlays, that pickguard shape, the symbol on the headstock, are all found on Byrdlands. However, the arrangement of the knobs does not match any Byrdlands I have seen.

    The price is absurdly low and the seller acts suspicious, so it is wise to beware of this guitar.
    Welcome to the forum, Tongy, but that’s totally wrong. Byrdlands look exactly like a short-scale L-5 CES thinline, because that’s what they are. The only double-cut ones were custom ordered and are extremely rare, The headstock inlay would be the L-5 flowerpot, not the crown on the one in the OP. The fretboard end is not the correct shape, the binding is wrong, the body shape is wrong, tailpiece is wrong—nothing is right.

    Real florentine Byrdland:

    Is this a fake Gibson?-front-1966-2-jpg

    Danny W.

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    It's 100% a fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tongy
    I have been looking into this guitar and I have contacted the seller too. The seller doesn't know the model name or production year. I definitely think it could be fake, but there has been some incorrect info on this thread and nobody here has correctly identified the model it most closely resembles, which is a Gibson Byrdland.

    Byrdlands came in both double cuts and single cuts with a Florentine cutaway like this one. The weird teardrop end of the fretboard, the block inlays, that pickguard shape, the symbol on the headstock, are all found on Byrdlands. However, the arrangement of the knobs does not match any Byrdlands I have seen.

    The price is absurdly low and the seller acts suspicious, so it is wise to beware of this guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tongy
    I have been looking into this guitar and I have contacted the seller too. The seller doesn't know the model name or production year. I definitely think it could be fake, but there has been some incorrect info on this thread and nobody here has correctly identified the model it most closely resembles, which is a Gibson Byrdland.

    Byrdlands came in both double cuts and single cuts with a Florentine cutaway like this one. The weird teardrop end of the fretboard, the block inlays, that pickguard shape, the symbol on the headstock, are all found on Byrdlands. However, the arrangement of the knobs does not match any Byrdlands I have seen.

    The price is absurdly low and the seller acts suspicious, so it is wise to beware of this guitar.
    See post no. 21, are there any Gibson archtops where the neck joins the body at the 16th fret? That is what this guitar has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grahambop
    See post no. 21, are there any Gibson archtops where the neck joins the body at the 16th fret? That is what this guitar has.
    ES135
    But the guitar shown in OP is clearly, obviously, certainly NOT a Gibson of any kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 339 in june
    ES135
    But the guitar shown in OP is clearly, obviously, certainly NOT a Gibson of any kind.
    ES 275 which it isn't either...

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    Regardless of what the guitar in a photo would be, if a seller wants to send you only one photo, says he doesn't know anything about the instrument, got it from his great great grandfathers Uncle whatever,.. just walk away. That's not the way honest people sell guitars..

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    Is this a fake Gibson?-new-style-f-hollow-body-jazz-electric-guitar-jpg

    This is from an ad on DHgate [China]; sells for AUD $399. They don't have a headstock image on this particular sellers page though.

    Cheers