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    A new 1x10 Vibro Champ Reverb and a 30 lb, 40 watt Pro Reverb. I think these are both great ideas and the Vibro Champ Reverb could definitely find a future home at my house.

    Fender reinvigorates classic tube amp tones with new '68 Custom Vibro Champ and Pro Reverb | Guitar World
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    That vibro champ looks nice. Anyone any idea what that amp should cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A
    That vibro champ looks nice. Anyone any idea what that amp should cost?
    $749 US. I have no idea what that would make the street price (or the price in Canada). Release is scheduled for April.

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    I just picked up a 2017 Fender 68" Custom Princeton reverb. I also own a 2020 Priceton 65" reverb "issue".

    I want to point that the Fender 68" custom models are not reissues of earlier models. They are Fender's custom circuit design using the ascetics of the orginal 1968 silverface amps. The 1968 was the transition from the blackface era to the silverface era.
    Currently Fender has the following 68" custom models: ( not including new ones)
    Princeton reverb
    Deluxe reverb
    Vibrolux
    Twin
    The models with 2 channels, all but Princeton, have 2 very different circuit designs. The "Vintage" channel is the classic Fender circuit design for the model. The second channel is called the "Custom" channel. The circuit for this channel is model after the Bassman tone stack.
    The twin model includes a "mid" tone pot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
    $749 US. I have no idea what that would make the street price (or the price in Canada). Release is scheduled for April.
    A bit on the expensive side, but let's give it 12 months and see what happens. I'd really love one of those

    Thx for the heads up!

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    Is the Vibro champ basically 5F1 circuit with reverb and tremolo? If it is, with the 10 inch speaker and affordable price tag, it'll be a blockbuster.

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    The pro reverb at under 30lbs and 40 watts of tube will be a great gigging amp!

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    These are cool amps and I'm glad Fender put a 10" speaker in the Vibro Champ and single 12" in the Pro.

    Unfortunately, both have digital (hall) reverb and neither has tube rectifiers which, to me, is the secret sauce of their vintage counterparts.

    My first amp as a 13 year old kid was a '66 Vibro Champ and then a '67 Pro (15" speaker w/no reverb or vibrato). Man, how I loved those amps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gitfiddler
    Unfortunately, both have digital (hall) reverb and neither has tube rectifiers which, to me, is the secret sauce of their vintage counterparts.
    My first thought was .. Pity about the reverb as it's going to make it heavier .. followed by .. oh ok, cool

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    Nice to see Fender respond to demand for 5w amps. They should market it as a COVID special edition.

    One thing I don't get is the trend of stuffing oversized speakers into relatively small cabinets. I know that it was a common mod in the past, but it's odd for a new amp. Putting a 12" in a Princeton is a good idea if you also increase the cabinet size. Same for a Vibro Champ. But there's a diminishing return when you start making the speaker so big the baffle is unable to resonate. Getting the cabinet right is a huge part of an amp's sound in the same way that the construction of a guitar depends on the proportions and resonance of the wood. A 5 watt champ with a 10" speaker in a Princeton size cabinet would be an awesome amp for gigs, but even then modern 10" speakers are so loud that you'd have an amp designed as a practice amp that's now too loud for practicing at the amp's sweet spot. Fender put a lot of work into selecting their speaker to cabinet ratios and I they got it right the first time.

    Not to mention, this reissue vibro champ costs about $300 more than an original SF vibrochamp if you look in the right places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    Is the Vibro champ basically 5F1 circuit with reverb and tremolo? If it is, with the 10 inch speaker and affordable price tag, it'll be a blockbuster.
    I think so too.
    If the price is $700 - $800 this will probably translate to somewhere around €1.000,- . . . .
    Which is expensive!

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    On the fender website it's € 899, probably a bit cheaper in stores.
    Sites-Fender-Site

    The pro reverb has "genuine Fender tube-driven reverb and grid-bias tremolo".

    "the cabinet is slightly bigger to accommodate the 10" speaker"

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    Oke, still expensive, but who knows?

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    The Pro Reverb weighs 35 lbs.

    Danny W.

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    Hm, I built my first VibroChamp Reverb six years ago, and have built a few for other people since then. It’s all I use anymore. As far as I can tell it’s a perfect amp.

    It would make more sense (to me) to use a solid state trem oscillator instead of using a tube, and either tube or LND150 reverb, but I’m sure the Belton unit (or whatever it is) sounds fine.

    steven

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    Not cheap, but that Pro Reverb is the missing link in the Fender amp arsenal! Litterally half a Twin! I always wondered why Fender never came with an amp like that!

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    fender pro reverb was always a cool amp...2 6l6's for some nice power and clean headroom

    new model uses neo 12" speaker to cut some weight...but pro with 15" jbl (heavy) was awesome!

    digi hall reverb in vibro-champ is a minus...also agree with omph ^ that a bigger speaker doesn't necessarily translate to better tone in a low watt amp...some of those old supros with 6" or 8" had/have killer tone


    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    Not cheap, but that Pro Reverb is the missing link in the Fender amp arsenal! Litterally half a Twin! I always wondered why Fender never came with an amp like that!

    The 80's Fender Concert came pretty close to the 'half Twin' idea. It had 40 watts, solid state rectifier, two channels and either a single 12" speaker or dual 10"s. The 12" upgrade was a Fender branded EV12 and was a toneful, heavy beast!

    On paper, the latest Pro Reverb might be the ideal gigging amp. We'll have to check them out.

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    It would be nice if the Pro Reverb had two channels like the ... uh ... real Pro Reverb.

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    The Vibro Champ with reverb and a 10" speaker strikes me as very good idea. I had a Valco/Supro badged as a Galanti amp that was the same circuit as a Vibro Champ, but with a 10" speaker. It sounded great, and had surprising amount of headroom. I agree that a tube driven spring reverb would be cool, but that would make it as expensive as a Princeton Reverb, so probably not work within the Fender lineup. I also like the idea of the single-channel Pro Reverb (the two-channel layout of Fenders never made much sense to me), but it seems like it would be competing against a Hot Rod Deluxe (but more expensive). I wonder if that makes good business sense.

    John
    Last edited by John A.; 01-14-2021 at 08:33 PM.

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    My 2017 Princeton reverb 68" custom has spring reverb tank and tube rectifier. The previous owner up graded to tubes to Tug sols. Also the recruiter tube and V2 were upgraded to Gold Lion Gelew.... tubes. $40 a piece.

    I looked quickly at the two newbies. Didnt see a retricfer tube for the pro.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gitfiddler
    Unfortunately, both have digital (hall) reverb and neither has tube rectifiers which, to me, is the secret sauce of their vintage counterparts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildcat
    My 2017 Princeton reverb 68" custom has spring reverb tank and tube rectifier. The previous owner up graded to tubes to Tug sols. Also the recruiter tube and V2 were upgraded to Gold Lion Gelew.... tubes. $40 a piece.

    I looked quickly at the two newbies. Didnt see a retricfer tube for the pro.
    Thanks Wildcat. That was a typo on my part. I meant to say that these two new amps (VC & Pro) do NOT have tube rectification. And yes, the Pro has spring reverb.

    Fender '68 Custom Pro Reverb 1 x 12" 40-watt Tube Combo Amp | Sweetwater

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    Just my opinion but I think the best way to think of these amps is as new models with familiar names, not as re-issues of older models. Fender has a long history of doing that with the Champ and Princeton names especially and as Wildcat pointed out early in the thread, the Custom series amps are not intended to be historically accurate.

    The Champ is especially attractive to me. An single ended 6V6 5 watt amp with a 10" speaker, reverb and trem in a small easy to carry package is a really attractive amp. We'll have to see what the street price is, especially in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
    Just my opinion but I think the best way to think of these amps is as new models with familiar names, not as re-issues of older models. Fender has a long history of doing that with the Champ and Princeton names especially and as Wildcat pointed out early in the thread, the Custom series amps are not intended to be historically accurate.

    The Champ is especially attractive to me. An single ended 6V6 5 watt amp with a 10" speaker, reverb and trem in a small easy to carry package is a really attractive amp. We'll have to see what the street price is, especially in Canada.
    1049CAD
    Fender 68 Custom Vibro Champ Reverb, 120V

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    Well that was fast, thanks. It's not shipping until May. And someone is going to buy it and sell it by July
    Last edited by Jim Soloway; 01-14-2021 at 06:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A
    I think so too.
    If the price is $700 - $800 this will probably translate to somewhere around €1.000,- . . . .
    Which is expensive!

    Yeah .. That is the same price I estimated when I deemed it on the expensive side ealier in this thread, but looked again and found it this time on Thomann.de ... It's 815 Euro .. Not cheap per se, but cheaper than I expected. 12,2 kg is also a bit heavier than I hoped for, but hey ...

    Fender 68 Custom Vibro Champ – Musikhaus Thomann

    Might well pick it up later this year.



    This is off course a bit lighter and been on the market for a year or two, but a bit too expensive for me
    Fender 57 Custom Champ – Thomann Danmark







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    Quote Originally Posted by Gitfiddler
    These are cool amps and I'm glad Fender put a 10" speaker in the Vibro Champ and single 12" in the Pro.

    Unfortunately, both have digital (hall) reverb and neither has tube rectifiers which, to me, is the secret sauce of their vintage counterparts.

    My first amp as a 13 year old kid was a '66 Vibro Champ and then a '67 Pro (15" speaker w/no reverb or vibrato). Man, how I loved those amps.
    From the article
    Things to write home about include modified Pro Reverb circuitry, genuine Fender tube-driven reverb and grid bias tremolo, reduced negative feedback for more touch sensitivity, and a new single-channel format.

    I guess you could claim a digital reverb is tube driven for marketing


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    Forgot to add, on the gearpage a person working at fender said some more amps were coming, so i'm not giving up yet on that tone master princeton reverb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
    Well that was fast, thanks. It's not sipping until May. And someone is going to buy it and sell it by July
    Yeah, I'm usually that sucker

    But you might be out of luck because I already have a '57 Champ.

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    '68 pro reverb has 5 pre amp tubes...that's a real tube driven spring reverb in there!

    vibro-champ has 2! hence the dsp hall? verb


    cheers
    Last edited by neatomic; 01-14-2021 at 07:04 PM. Reason: corr-

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    I don't think I would choose the new vibro champ over a silverface one for similar prices.

    The dilemma would be, pro reverb vs deluxe reverb. I would miss the tube rectifier more than the tube reverb (from what I see the new pro reverb has neither, it only has preamp and power tubes, I don't know why they market it as having tube reverb.. ).

    But if you really want a 1x12 (so no vibrolux), and really need the headroom (and many times you do), pro reverb makes a punch!

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    pro reverb, not super

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker
    pro reverb, not super
    Right you are. Fixed. The truth is that pretty much all of my interest is in the Champ. At least on paper, I really like that configuration. On the other hand I pretty much have that covered with my Milkman head and my little GBD 1x10 cab, so who knows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
    Right you are. Fixed. The truth is that pretty much all of my interest is in the Champ. At least on paper, I really like that configuration. On the other hand I pretty much have that covered with my Milkman head and my little GBD 1x10 cab, so who knows?
    I'm looking for a reasonably priced, hand-wired princeton myself...

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    i once tried out a Victoria made champ clone with the 12” speaker ....
    It was fabulous ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jzucker
    I'm looking for a reasonably priced, hand-wired princeton myself...
    Wonderful amps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    ...and the Pro Reverb will be $1819 CDN.
    https://www.long-mcquade.com/219395/...verb--120V.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by floatingpickup
    ...and the Pro Reverb will be $1819 CDN.
    Fender 68 Custom Pro Reverb, 120V
    Whaaaat!
    Looks like Fender increased their prices. Deluxe Reverb is now 1680 CAD. They were 1250 CAD in the same store only two years ago.
    Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    Whaaaat!
    Looks like Fender increased their prices. Deluxe Reverb is now 1680 CAD. They were 1250 CAD in the same store only two years ago.
    Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb
    Given the increase in the value of the Canadian dollar, that's like a double increase.

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    I don’t see any indication the Pro Reverb uses a digital module. It has five preamp tubes, which is correct for a single-channel AB763 amp. ( the specs list six, the photo shows five) It has 2 12at7s, presumably one for the phase inverter and one for the reverb driver. I suppose they may have cut-and-pasted the description, or the modified circuitry includes a high-gain mode, but one would think they would mention that.

    “Grid-bias Tremolo” on a 6L6 amp is a mixed blessing, as the bias setting of the power tubes affects the strength of the tremolo.

    Single-channel Fender is my favorite configuration, although I modified the normal channel on a Twin and changed it to a James tone stack with mid-shift - gives it a very different tone - and modded the reverb to work on both channels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    Whaaaat!
    Looks like Fender increased their prices. Deluxe Reverb is now 1680 CAD. They were 1250 CAD in the same store only two years ago.
    Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb
    Yes, these CDN prices seem very high to me.
    Keith

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    Wait for the border to open up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
    Wait for the border to open up?
    Could be a REALLY long wait.

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    With these new models, Fender is hoping to get stimulated I guess when people get their checks (in the US).

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    For what it's worth, the Vibro Champ is reported to weight 20 pounds.
    A Princeton reverb 68" custom weights 34 lbs and costs $899.

    The speaker in the 68' Priceton amp is sort of rock oriented. Celestion ten 30. $35.
    So a speaker change might be helpful. I went to Weber 10F150, 50 watts (more head room than 25watt) light dope. $103.

    Quote Originally Posted by Danny W.
    The Pro Reverb weighs 35 lbs.

    Danny W.
    Last edited by Wildcat; 01-15-2021 at 11:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    With these new models, Fender is hoping to get stimulated I guess when people get their checks (in the US).
    It's good timing for them, for sure, but if they *planned* it that way, I'd say Fender has an "in" with the Biden administration. Undersecretary for G.A.S?

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    For what it's worth, there was a 68'
    deluxe reverb custom for sale on this website at $850.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    I don't think I would choose the new vibro champ over a silverface one for similar prices.

    The dilemma would be, pro reverb vs deluxe reverb. I would miss the tube rectifier more than the tube reverb (from what I see the new pro reverb has neither, it only has preamp and power tubes, I don't know why they market it as having tube reverb.. ).

    But if you really want a 1x12 (so no vibrolux), and really need the headroom (and many times you do), pro reverb makes a punch!
    Last edited by Wildcat; 01-15-2021 at 08:31 PM.

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    I was a bit surprised to see these, instead of Tone Master takes on smaller Fender icons, including Princeton.

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    I wondered the same thing. With the increased sales for Fender maybe they are pulling out the "old" models with a modern take on them for a new demographic to sell to. Im sure there are some 20 year olds saying "Did you see those "new vintage" amps? Yeah it's so wild, tubes and stuff!"

    BTW As for "old" I turn 63 on the 20th.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gitterbug
    I was a bit surprised to see these, instead of Tone Master takes on smaller Fender icons, including Princeton.

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    Yes, maybe I am older than everyone in Fender's marketing department, but when these silver face amps came out, nobody wanted them. They were forced on buyers that could not get used blackface and brown amps.

    Maybe this is next....