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    I know there was a thread a year ago on this, but HERE IT IS.

    Heavenly tone... Ron Ellis pickups.


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    sounds great...and julian sure appears to be diggin it!...part of me, as longtime gretsch fan, wishes it had gretsch on the headstock and tv jones pups...but heck, even if it doesn't, it sounds great just as it is...kudos to collings, ellis and lage...nice

    been sayin for years..dynas are great jazz pups!...just got to roll the guitar tone knob back a bit


    cheers

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    Makes me want to put the TV Jones T-Armonds back into my thinline Cabronita, it ain't a Jet, but it's kinda' Fender's idea of one LOL. (I have also ordered a Bigsby for it... but I'm a Bigsby kinda' guy)

    Julian Lage's new Collings (Gretsch Duo Jet copy)-cabronita-t-armonds-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic View Post
    sounds great...and julian sure appears to be diggin it!...part of me, as longtime gretsch fan, wishes it had gretsch on the headstock and tv jones pups...but heck, even if it doesn't, it sounds great just as it is...kudos to collings, ellis and lage...nice

    been sayin for years..dynas are great jazz pups!...just got to roll the guitar tone knob back a bit


    cheers
    I have Dynas in my 83 Epi Emperor... probably the most under-rated jazz guitar pickup there is! Absolutely love them. The other great thing is for a single coil pickup, there is nowhere as much hum as something like a P-90 or even a Tele pickup.

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    sounds pretty good. if only it had cooler inlays, a cooler headstock, a cooler pickguard and a more interesting finish. i wonder what those are called, and if they are several thousand dollars cheaper than this.

    but this still pretty neat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feet View Post
    sounds pretty good. If only it had cooler inlays, a cooler headstock, a cooler pickguard and a more interesting finish. I wonder what those are called, and if they are several thousand dollars cheaper than this.

    but this still pretty neat.
    haha!!!

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    I'm with feet. This doesn't make me want a collings, it makes me want a 50s Gretsch.

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    This is the (current) Gretsch '53 "Reissue" of the DuoJet Lage has been playing in recent years, with Bigsby, $2500

    Gretsch G6128T-53 Vintage Select Edition '53 Duo Jet - Black | Sweetwater

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    i don't mean to besmirch the man, the company or the music, but not only could you get a custom shop gretsch for less than that, you could (possibly) get a vintage one for less. $7000 is a fair bit of change for a less cool looking guitar that may not be better than what's available, aside from having two names attached to it. whatever. he's a great player and he seems happy with it, so good for him. i hope it brings happiness to all it touches.

    i will say i don't like the slightly different body shape, though.

    guess i may as well post this again, too.



    and i really like what they are doing with the duo jets these days. i don't really get the vintage vs player thing, but i love all the new colors. would sooner pick up one with dynas and one with filters and still have enough for a third for the price of the collings. value!

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    Quote Originally Posted by feet View Post
    and i really like what they are doing with the duo jets these days. i don't really get the vintage vs player thing, but i love all the new colors. would sooner pick up one with dynas and one with filters and still have enough for a third for the price of the collings. value!
    IDK all the differences, but one of them is kinda big:

    The Vintage Select have floating wood bridges, and B6 Bigsby's (no tension bar)

    The Players are stud-mounted metal bridges, and B5 Bigsby's (with tension bars)

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    these days the "players" appellation usually means getting rid of the things that made the guitar cool in the first place...like putting center blocks in hollowbodys, fixed bridges instead of floaters, tension bar bigsbys, moving trem & bridge location around, flatter neck radiuses, lookalike but differently designed pickups, etc etc

    the "players" must be gettin lazy..want convenience instead of the very og tone & feel they wish to emulate...oh well

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9 View Post
    IDK all the differences, but one of them is kinda big:

    The Vintage Select have floating wood bridges, and B6 Bigsby's (no tension bar)

    The Players are stud-mounted metal bridges, and B5 Bigsby's (with tension bars)

    The Bigsby on the recent players models is a string-thru version (B7CP), so none of that fumbling with the string falling off the small pegs all the time

    Been drawn to them since release in the autumn .. But you know, not much left in terms of physical guitar shops in my hood these days and not a single one of them carry Gretsch, so it would have to be a blind online purchase ... But they do seem cool .. Much more appealing that the vintage reissues to me.

    Alltho I with some patience I could probably find an older reissue on the used market for half the price, so there is that too ... But screw it .. Bottom line is that I like them a lot


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    ps- & even though jl sounds great with that collings..and really seems to be enjoying it/brings out the best in him...the ellisonic pickup is not a true copy of the dynasonic with the spring elevator mechanism for raising the magnet polepieces...the amount of metalwork in that pickup alone, contributes to it's tone!...plus the ability to tweak the polepieces for maximum string balance


    here's close -up of the simpler ellisonic



    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic View Post
    ps- & even though jl sounds great with that collings..and really seems to be enjoying it/brings out the best in him...the ellisonic pickup is not a true copy of the dynasonic with the spring elevator mechanism for raising the magnet polepieces...the amount of metalwork in that pickup alone, contributes to it's tone!...plus the ability to tweak the polepieces for maximum string balance


    here's close -up of the simpler ellisonic



    cheers
    Beautiful in its simplicity. Love it!

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    Long ago I had a beat up Duo Jet with a Bigsby, Filtertrons, and thumbnail inlays made around 1957. It was in awful shape with a bit of a twist in the neck, but I still wish I’d kept it to restore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff View Post
    Beautiful in its simplicity. Love it!
    not the first...gfs has similar type design for 39.95$...




    cheers

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    A fabulous player with a brilliant exploratory mind - and full command of the fingerboard.


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    @neatomic I have a pair of those GFS pickups - similar look, different construction: steel slugs, and bar magnets at the bottom (kinda like a P90 without adjustable polepieces - they also sound more P90ish than Dynasonic-like); I presume if that Ellis on the Collings is supposed to sound like a real Dynasonic, it will have real Alnico slug magnets.
    BTW, there are a few other winders who make pickups like that (Dynasonic-spec, but without the complicated magnet elevator mechanism) - Gemini, Fralin, and I think, Mojo UK.

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    i know roman...i was just being dramatic with gfs example..cause they look similar ("simplicity") and are cheap cost!

    also very important in construction of dyna is wire...traditionally #44 or 45... very thin wire!...keeps hi-fi clarity while getting resistance number high


    cheers

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    and don't forget the gibson staple p90, the granddaddy of dynasonic clones.

    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9 View Post
    IDK all the differences, but one of them is kinda big:
    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9 View Post

    The Vintage Select have floating wood bridges, and B6 Bigsby's (no tension bar)

    The Players are stud-mounted metal bridges, and B5 Bigsby's (with tension bars)
    sounds like I'm a vintage guy, then. But I do love the fancy new colors they keep trotting out, and I assume most of those are off the player variety.

    I wonder about a tension bar on a body that small. is that really necessary?
    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic View Post
    these days the "players" appellation usually means getting rid of the things that made the guitar cool in the first place...like putting center blocks in hollowbodys, fixed bridges instead of floaters, tension bar bigsbys, moving trem & bridge location around, flatter neck radiuses, lookalike but differently designed pickups, etc etc
    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic View Post

    the "players" must be gettin lazy..want convenience instead of the very og tone & feel they wish to emulate...oh well

    cheers
    i always understood the player's editions as the training wheels, easy mode gretsches. I don't mean that as an insult, just that they ironed out some of the quirks.

    But I could never keep those differences straight, aside from thinner bodies, which I assume is not the case with the jets.
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    ps- & even though jl sounds great with that collings..and really seems to be enjoying it/brings out the best in him...the
    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic View Post
    ellisonic pickup is not a true copy of the dynasonic with the spring elevator mechanism for raising the magnet polepieces...the amount of metalwork in that pickup alone, contributes to it's tone!...plus the ability to tweak the polepieces for maximum string balance


    here's close -up of the simpler ellisonic



    cheers
    the offset row of pole pieces without the little screws seems wrong to me, visually. doesn't sound bad, though.

    And apologies to the op for ruining this thread :

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    IMHO, the Players models are for Les Paul players who want a headstock that says "Gretsch" instead of "Gibson", and some gaudy colors. Except for the Filtertrons there's not a lot of Gretsch DNA in those models...

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    I wonder about a tension bar on a body that small. is that really necessary?
    It's no so much about body size as neck angle. The non-tension bar Bigsby's need a steeper neck angle (like on a full-size arch top). The tension bar ones are for flatter top guitars (Gibson JohnnyA, telecasters, Les Pauls, etc.)

    You'll notice the Collings "Jet" and the Gretsch Vintage Select Jets have wood base bridges, which means steeper neck angles... no tension bars on the Bigsby's.

    The Gretsch Players guitars have stud bridges, and tension bars.

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    ooohhhh... i never knew that. i guess i can see how that makes a difference, but most of my assumptions were built on gibsony types, which didn't seem to follow any logic as to tension bar vs none, so i assumed the body size or depth had something to do with it. of my two bigsby'd guitars, by non tensioned g6118 is super spongy, while my tensioned elitist sheraton is very stiff, though they have about the same amount of travel. i figure springs have something to do with that, but people must hate (or scapegoat) the tension bar for a reason.

    i see the bridge differences now. also being a les paul player, studs don't bother me, but were i in the market, i'd want something as different from a les paul as possible. otherwise i'd just throw my extra filters in a cheap les paul. guess that makes me a vintage select guy, because when i pick up a gretsch, i want a gretsch.

    which is a shame, because all the nifty colors and deals seem to be on the player ones, especially the les paul looking ones (which are still pretty cool, to be honest). and i've always taken issue with the player's edition because they incorporate some of the mods that i did or would have done, like the string through bigsby and treble bleed. they should be called the feet edition. but i'm not cool with the thinner bodies, so maybe not.

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    Very interesting to see the Collings in action some more.

    I'd love to hear his thoughts on ergonomic adjustments he has to make jumping from telecaster geometry to Gretsch-ish geometry.

    Does anyone have any idea when the new model is going to make an appearance on the Collings website beyond the teaser page they made last year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wkmandeville View Post
    Very interesting to see the Collings in action some more.

    I'd love to hear his thoughts on ergonomic adjustments he has to make jumping from telecaster geometry to Gretsch-ish geometry.

    Does anyone have any idea when the new model is going to make an appearance on the Collings website beyond the teaser page they made last year?
    It's there now, altho still limited specifics.
    Custom Gallery | Collings 470 JL #19005

    There's a video where he plays both the Nachocaster and the Gretsch back-to-back, and other than saying the Gretsch is louder, he doesn't say anything about the differences in play/ergonomics between them. I have teles and a Gretsch, and I can switch between them no problem. The only real difference is the scale length and the neck angle... neither matters for me. I have played some guitars where a steep neck angle did make the guitar feel "weird" compared to something like a tele, and I did not like it- it wasn't comfortable for me- but my Gretsch 6120 is no problem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9 View Post
    It's there now, altho still limited specifics.
    Custom Gallery | Collings 470 JL #19005

    There's a video where he plays both the Nachocaster and the Gretsch back-to-back, and other than saying the Gretsch is louder, he doesn't say anything about the differences in play/ergonomics between them. I have teles and a Gretsch, and I can switch between them no problem. The only real difference is the scale length and the neck angle... neither matters for me. I have played some guitars where a steep neck angle did make the guitar feel "weird" compared to something like a tele, and I did not like it- it wasn't comfortable for me- but my Gretsch 6120 is no problem.
    Yes, I've seen that video before. Just some casually amazing playing from him and Jorge Roeder. I do wish he'd played one of the tunes on the Gretsch though.

    Neck angle is really what I wonder about. Since Julian Lage looks like he's gently planting his pinky a lot of the time when he's playing there is some micro-adjustment that's necessary (probably unconscious). And since I've read before that he's had some dystonic issues and was/is(?) into Alexander technique for musicians, my inquiring mind wonders whether he might have developed some helpful insights regarding adapting playing positions on differently shaped instruments.

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    there are moments that make you roll your eyes, and moments that make you want to punch him (only collings can build a duo jet? really, foo?). i know he's just doing his job, but come on. but they don't look bad, and they sound great, of course.

    didn't know they came in three finishes. i still don't know what the hell the third one is supposed to be, though. it's not orange, it's not a gold top. it sort of reminds me of tang. that's brave. i like it. i'm also just now noticing it has plain old gibson reflector knobs. that's my preference on a gibson, but it's pretty wrong for a gretsch.

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    well there's no doubt he's jazzed about it...good for him!

    he makes some good points..as to the dynamic quality of dynasonic(type) pickups...and about the importance of acoustic properties of an electric guitar...kudos for that

    no gretsch mention is sad tho...but thats business


    cheers

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    For that sort of money, I would want an original design.

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    1) I agree.... he's trying WAY too hard with his words LOL

    2) I'll never pay 7K for a guitar

    3) He kept talking about it's "acoustic properties", and how it sounds "acoustically", it would have been nice to HEAR that...

    4) I want one. It may be the best Jet ever made. (but see #2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9 View Post
    2) I'll never pay 7K for a guitar
    neither did he!! haha

    cheers

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    Wonderful guitar. That video is just business...I like Julian a lot, so live and let live. Still no information if it‘s chambered (>Gretsch Duo Jet construction) or -like it‘s mentioned on the website- fully hollow (>Guild M-75 Aristocrat construction).
    Which was the blueprint for this model?

    The Ron Ellis pickups are obviously fantastic!

    Concerning $:
    Buy a Gretsch custom shop guitar and you‘re in the same price range. And I bet the Collings is the better choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff View Post
    Wonderful guitar. That video is just business...I like Julian a lot, so live and let live. Still no information if it‘s chambered (>Gretsch Duo Jet construction) or -like it‘s mentioned on the website- fully hollow (>Guild M-75 Aristocrat construction).
    Which was the blueprint for this model?
    I would have to assume his '53 Duo Jet he's been playing for a few years now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff View Post
    Wonderful guitar. That video is just business...I like Julian a lot, so live and let live. Still no information if it‘s chambered (>Gretsch Duo Jet construction) or -like it‘s mentioned on the website- fully hollow (>Guild M-75 Aristocrat construction).
    ...
    He says it's chambered with a centre block.

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    Just my take on it .... If I was to redesign the Duo Jet for a clean based jazz based player ...I`d a made it with a 15" lower bout a a hair deeper at the sides .... then it wouldn`t be a Duo Jet . I`m absolutely sure however that this JL model will take you "further" than a Gretsch in terms of freqs,resonance,evenness and whatever a great acoustic delivers

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    Quote Originally Posted by docsteve View Post
    He says it's chambered with a centre block.
    That's what he said about the '53 Jet... in the Collings video he says "semi-hollow with trestle block going down the middle"... which is what the Collings website says. Not sure exactly what that is. I know what a centerblock is, I know what trestle BRACES are, I know how old Jets were chambered... but no one really knows what's going on inside this new Collings...

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    There’s a lot of information online now on the Collings website.

    I totally totally dig the semi shine of the guitars surface and the see-thru headstock coating.
    Last edited by Stefan Eff; 01-19-2021 at 01:34 PM.

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    all the website says is "fully hollow trestle block body". No one but Collings knows what that is, lol. I have a Gretsch with trestle braces. If I had to wager a guess, I's say the Collings was like a fully hollow, trestle-braced Gretsch, without the F-holes.

    Now if we can figure out what the differences between trestle BRACES and a trestle BLOCK are...

    these are trestle braces: 2 individual braces connecting the front and back... perhaps the "block" means it's machined out of a solid piece of wood (solid wood beneath the pickups and bridge, like a 335 centerlbock, but hollowed out like the braces? Who knows. All I know is, I want one, but will never be able to afford such an extrvagance. If it were my ONLY guitar, maybe.


    Julian Lage's new Collings (Gretsch Duo Jet copy)-jpg

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    Hot take from someone well outside the target demographic for this guitar:
    While waiting to pickup one of my guitars from getting a seasonal setup adjustment, I picked up a Collings Eastside Deluxe LC off the wall of the shop and noodled around for a bit. I have to say I was blown away by how inspiring and musical the thing was. I didn't even plug it in, but the thing just sang. The playability was stunning, and it just resonated so naturally. Really eye opening.

    Now, with my values and aesthetic (both sonic and visual), of course I'm gonna stick with my 30's L-5's and ES-150.

    But for everyone throwing shade, especially at the price.... The sonic qualities I experienced with that Eastside, I mean I've certainly never seen a Gretsch that has that kind of mojo. Sure, a really good Gretsch can have it's own mojo, but it's not *that* thing, I got from that Eastside (and that I've similarly gotten from an AT-16). Given how Julian talks about the acoustic resonance of the guitar, I feel like he's talking about exactly what I noticed.

    Is it worth it? Well, that's a subjective thing, but at the scale Collings is making guitars, I don't personally feel like they're gouging anybody.

    I've not played a Nacho-caster, but something tells me there's a similar resonance that somebody like Nacho manages to get that is something beyond what other builders have to offer. It might only be that last 1%, but if you're a pro of a certain level, that's a different math. When an instrument speaks to someone and inspires them, it's worth more than merely the cost or resale value of a guitar. And if you really can build one just as good in your garage, then do it and give Nacho a run for the money.

    Lastly I've not met the guy, but I don't think Julian is just making his gear choices on what's "cool". He's gone from Manzer archtops, to a 16" L-5, to Blackguards, to Duo Jets, etc.... And none of those choices was based on what the new "hot" gear fetish was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9 View Post
    all the website says is "fully hollow trestle block body". No one but Collings knows what that is, lol. I have a Gretsch with trestle braces. If I had to wager a guess, I's say the Collings was like a fully hollow, trestle-braced Gretsch, without the F-holes.

    Now if we can figure out what the differences between trestle BRACES and a trestle BLOCK are...

    these are trestle braces: 2 individual braces connecting the front and back... perhaps the "block" means it's machined out of a solid piece of wood (solid wood beneath the pickups and bridge, like a 335 centerlbock, but hollowed out like the braces? Who knows. All I know is, I want one, but will never be able to afford such an extrvagance. If it were my ONLY guitar, maybe.


    Julian Lage's new Collings (Gretsch Duo Jet copy)-jpg
    The covers on the back are maybe a sign for a chambered body :-P

    They didn‘t mentioned the weight. Strange thing is the cheap Delrin nut (I‘ve changed a Delrin nut on a Telecaster neck for a customer a few weeks ago, was a nightmare).Why not a really good TusqXL if not bone?

    Also interesting is the neck dimension.

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    This is a really good post I've been thinking of commenting along the same lines but this really says it all. I recently bought a Collings Eastside LC used and I really have to say they get a lot right. I wouldn't have thought that I could ever consider buying one new, but after owning this, I have to say knowing what I know now I would. I hear the Collings personality in the video. What is worth what is for you to decide, but I have no doubts it's a top tier guitar.
    Quote Originally Posted by campusfive View Post
    Hot take from someone well outside the target demographic for this guitar:
    While waiting to pickup one of my guitars from getting a seasonal setup adjustment, I picked up a Collings Eastside Deluxe LC off the wall of the shop and noodled around for a bit. I have to say I was blown away by how inspiring and musical the thing was. I didn't even plug it in, but the thing just sang. The playability was stunning, and it just resonated so naturally. Really eye opening.

    Now, with my values and aesthetic (both sonic and visual), of course I'm gonna stick with my 30's L-5's and ES-150.

    But for everyone throwing shade, especially at the price.... The sonic qualities I experienced with that Eastside, I mean I've certainly never seen a Gretsch that has that kind of mojo. Sure, a really good Gretsch can have it's own mojo, but it's not *that* thing, I got from that Eastside (and that I've similarly gotten from an AT-16). Given how Julian talks about the acoustic resonance of the guitar, I feel like he's talking about exactly what I noticed.

    Is it worth it? Well, that's a subjective thing, but at the scale Collings is making guitars, I don't personally feel like they're gouging anybody.

    I've not played a Nacho-caster, but something tells me there's a similar resonance that somebody like Nacho manages to get that is something beyond what other builders have to offer. It might only be that last 1%, but if you're a pro of a certain level, that's a different math. When an instrument speaks to someone and inspires them, it's worth more than merely the cost or resale value of a guitar. And if you really can build one just as good in your garage, then do it and give Nacho a run for the money.

    Lastly I've not met the guy, but I don't think Julian is just making his gear choices on what's "cool". He's gone from Manzer archtops, to a 16" L-5, to Blackguards, to Duo Jets, etc.... And none of those choices was based on what the new "hot" gear fetish was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by campusfive View Post
    Hot take from someone well outside the target demographic for this guitar:
    While waiting to pickup one of my guitars from getting a seasonal setup adjustment, I picked up a Collings Eastside Deluxe LC off the wall of the shop and noodled around for a bit. I have to say I was blown away by how inspiring and musical the thing was. I didn't even plug it in, but the thing just sang. The playability was stunning, and it just resonated so naturally. Really eye opening.

    Now, with my values and aesthetic (both sonic and visual), of course I'm gonna stick with my 30's L-5's and ES-150.

    But for everyone throwing shade, especially at the price.... The sonic qualities I experienced with that Eastside, I mean I've certainly never seen a Gretsch that has that kind of mojo. Sure, a really good Gretsch can have it's own mojo, but it's not *that* thing, I got from that Eastside (and that I've similarly gotten from an AT-16). Given how Julian talks about the acoustic resonance of the guitar, I feel like he's talking about exactly what I noticed.

    Is it worth it? Well, that's a subjective thing, but at the scale Collings is making guitars, I don't personally feel like they're gouging anybody.

    I've not played a Nacho-caster, but something tells me there's a similar resonance that somebody like Nacho manages to get that is something beyond what other builders have to offer. It might only be that last 1%, but if you're a pro of a certain level, that's a different math. When an instrument speaks to someone and inspires them, it's worth more than merely the cost or resale value of a guitar. And if you really can build one just as good in your garage, then do it and give Nacho a run for the money.

    Lastly I've not met the guy, but I don't think Julian is just making his gear choices on what's "cool". He's gone from Manzer archtops, to a 16" L-5, to Blackguards, to Duo Jets, etc.... And none of those choices was based on what the new "hot" gear fetish was.
    Good take. The way I see this guitar is that Julian got to work with a great company to create his absolute dream guitar. A $7,000 instrument for a player of Julian's magnitude seems like a bargain. And if you want one too you can buy one (though don't expect to sound like him lol). I'm not running out to buy one but I don't find it absurd, I'm sure they'll sell.

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    Lage posted the marketing vid already shared in the OP on youtube today .. followed by this a bit later .. I guess it belongs here?


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    Quote Originally Posted by campusfive View Post
    ...
    I've not played a Nacho-caster, but something tells me there's a similar resonance that somebody like Nacho manages to get that is something beyond what other builders have to offer. It might only be that last 1%, but if you're a pro of a certain level, that's a different math. When an instrument speaks to someone and inspires them, it's worth more than merely the cost or resale value of a guitar. And if you really can build one just as good in your garage, then do it and give Nacho a run for the money.

    Lastly I've not met the guy, but I don't think Julian is just making his gear choices on what's "cool". He's gone from Manzer archtops, to a 16" L-5, to Blackguards, to Duo Jets, etc.... And none of those choices was based on what the new "hot" gear fetish was.
    Thanks for your post. So true.
    As mentioned before- that‘s Gretsch custom shop price range and I doubt you‘ll get the same from there.

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    Jonathan's post is spot on. Collings makes great instruments. They're always inherently musical. I am curious if the construction of this 470 JL model is more akin to the old Guild Aristocrat M-75 than the Duo Jet as Collings mentions it's fully hollow as opposed to chambered.

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    I wonder why Julian wanted a Bigsby on his signature guitar. Another interesting detail:
    one Mastervolume but two Tonepots.

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    you guys are seriously, seriously underestimating the gretsch custom shop. it's a much smaller shop, and stephen stern learned the craft under a some nobodies like jimmy d'aquisto and bob benedetto before becoming a fender master builder and finally, the gretsch guy. i'm not sure you'll find many guys or gals with a better pedigree anywhere on earth, if that kind of thing means anything to you.

    i sat down with a couple of custom shop duo jets in a shop once. given the price tag, i was afraid to plug them in and compare them to the standard pro line gretsches that i was after. but you could hear and feel it even unplugged. the best way i could explain it is that the pro lines were like a new acoustic, and the custom shops were like a vintage one; all matured and opened up.

    and i think that most days, you could easily get one cheaper than one of these collings, if you were so inclined. and they're comparable items, which we still haven't confirmed yet. and then there's the price. all collings have become way more expensive in recent years. it's not that the guitars have gotten better, it's that austin has become super expensive and the costs of business and living wages are being passed on to the consumer.

    having said all that, collings still knocks out a quality product. i almost bought one of their flat tops last year and they were kind enough to return a few emails and were very helpful, but covid made it impossible to try one out and i ended up with something else. but i'm a long time admirer of the soco (especially when they were about $2000 cheaper) and a statesman could still be a pipe dream down the road. i often wonder about a statesman vs a custom shop gretsch that would be similar.

    i know a lot of guys complain about collings being sterile and "mojoless" compared to their custom shop gibsons with warped necks and bad frets, but i couldn't speak to that. guitars are awesome or they aren't.

    now i'll sit and politely wait for someone to buy one of these and compare it to a custom shop duo jet and one of those guild american patriarch aristocrats. man, i wanted one of those.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff View Post
    I wonder why Julian wanted a Bigsby on his signature guitar. Another interesting detail:
    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff View Post
    one Mastervolume but two Tonepots.
    because they're awesome. and that's probably what was on his old duo jet and he didn't want to mess up a good thing. and the 1 master, 2 tones is pretty common for a gretsch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff View Post
    I wonder why Julian wanted a Bigsby on his signature guitar. .
    Because it's a Jet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feet View Post

    now i'll sit and politely wait for someone to buy one of these and compare it to a custom shop duo jet and one of those guild american patriarch aristocrats. man, i wanted one of those.
    .
    Yeah man! And even a regular production Vintage Select Duo Jet...

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    I‘ve asked because I never heard Julian playing a guitar with a Bigsby, even on the Collings the arm is turned away when he‘s playing. And yes, I‘m a Bigsby guy:
    Julian Lage's new Collings (Gretsch Duo Jet copy)-80d42509-5b8c-4692-8e30-bc89258e166f-jpeg
    (took this picture while writing )

    His vintage Duo Jet‘s got no Bigsby, by the way.