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    Quote Originally Posted by feet
    ...one of those guild american patriarch aristocrats. man, i wanted one of those.
    I‘ve recently bought an M-75 Goldtop.
    If you can live without Nitrolacquer and maybe do some subtle mods you‘ll get an equal substitute. They‘re built flawless, same woods, same pickups. Fantastic guitars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
    I'm with feet. This doesn't make me want a collings, it makes me want a 50s Gretsch.
    Exactly the way I feel. I'd want a 6196 in Cadillac Green.

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    Collings guitars are unreal, just as Stout said. The factory setup is the best you will ever see and the neck shapes are perfect. They are also researched/engineered very precisely to achieve the sonic qualities they want out of their instruments. The I-30 LC is a great example: hollow body like a Gibson 330 but with trestle bracing to give it more sustain and feedback resistance. It's nice to see builders who continually put research into improving on the design of guitars. It raises the whole level of guitar building. On top of that, QA at Collings is great, so those meticulously engineered designs are actually fulfilled in production (unlike a certain brand that we all know and love but obviously peaked in the 50s).

    That said, a Collings guitar really sounds and feels like a new guitar. This is the primary reason I would rather get a vintage Duojet rather than the Collings version. The vintage duojets sell for about the same as this new model, so it's not outrageous. If we were talking about a 59 ES-335 ($40k+) it would be different. But my point is that I think "mojo" is a real thing - not in a spiritual or metaphysical sense, but vintage guitars have a categorically distinct quality that lacks in modern guitars, with some exceptions. The two exceptions I can think of from experience are Slaman and Nacho. I don't know how they achieve it but both builders manage to reproduce the feel of a vintage guitar. Collings has an "aged finish" option. It's cool but doesn't feel anything like an old guitar.

    Btw since nacho has come up I thought I'd add I played one and holy shit it was awesome. I think it weighed something like 6 lbs total. I was blown away by it before hitting a single note. I don't know how to describe the experience of playing other than "inspiring". There is something very special about them. Julian Lage has said in interviews that he actually prefers it to his blackguard and I totally get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff
    I‘ve recently bought an M-75 Goldtop.
    If you can live without Nitrolacquer and maybe do some subtle mods you‘ll get an equal substitute. They‘re built flawless, same woods, same pickups. Fantastic guitars.
    Given your preference for Nacho and Collings I'm surprised you could live without nitro on that Guild!

    It's funny this comes up because the Guild M-75 is the guitar that always comes to my mind when people talk about chambered or "trestle block", whatever that means, construction. I feel like everything you could say about a duojet's or this Lage model's acoustic properties is even more true of the M-75. Any time I think wow I need a duo jet (which is rare but more common than I would expect), the M-75 instantly comes to mind. Other ones I think of are obviously Yanuziello and Grez. I think Grez are some of the most undervalued modern guitars out there given their design and unreal acoustic resonance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
    Collings guitars are unreal, just as Stout said. The factory setup is the best you will ever see and the neck shapes are perfect. They are also researched/engineered very precisely to achieve the sonic qualities they want out of their instruments. The I-30 LC is a great example: hollow body like a Gibson 330 but with trestle bracing to give it more sustain and feedback resistance. It's nice to see builders who continually put research into improving on the design of guitars. It raises the whole level of guitar building. On top of that, QA at Collings is great, so those meticulously engineered designs are actually fulfilled in production (unlike a certain brand that we all know and love but obviously peaked in the 50s).

    That said, a Collings guitar really sounds and feels like a new guitar. This is the primary reason I would rather get a vintage Duojet rather than the Collings version. The vintage duojets sell for about the same as this new model, so it's not outrageous. If we were talking about a 59 ES-335 ($40k+) it would be different. But my point is that I think "mojo" is a real thing - not in a spiritual or metaphysical sense, but vintage guitars have a categorically distinct quality that lacks in modern guitars, with some exceptions. The two exceptions I can think of from experience are Slaman and Nacho. I don't know how they achieve it but both builders manage to reproduce the feel of a vintage guitar. Collings has an "aged finish" option. It's cool but doesn't feel anything like an old guitar.

    Btw since nacho has come up I thought I'd add I played one and holy shit it was awesome. I think it weighed something like 6 lbs total. I was blown away by it before hitting a single note. I don't know how to describe the experience of playing other than "inspiring". There is something very special about them. Julian Lage has said in interviews that he actually prefers it to his blackguard and I totally get it.



    Given your preference for Nacho and Collings I'm surprised you could live without nitro on that Guild!

    It's funny this comes up because the Guild M-75 is the guitar that always comes to my mind when people talk about chambered or "trestle block", whatever that means, construction. I feel like everything you could say about a duojet's or this Lage model's acoustic properties is even more true of the M-75. Any time I think wow I need a duo jet (which is rare but more common than I would expect), the M-75 instantly comes to mind. Other ones I think of are obviously Yanuziello and Grez. I think Grez are some of the most undervalued modern guitars out there given their design and unreal acoustic resonance.
    Hehe!
    One important detail on the korean Newark St. Guilds: they‘re really thin coated. No comparison to (proline) Gretsches. I‘m a sucker for weight, lacquer and even small details on instruments but those guitars are really cool.
    Julian Lage's new Collings (Gretsch Duo Jet copy)-cec45292-83af-42d5-8b9d-0a48c40ee9d9-jpeg
    Flawless built quality and the Franz pickups are amazing. Yes, I can live with no nitro on this guitar. And man, it‘s a gold sparkle top!
    But I‘m with you, Nitro is always first choice and yup, Grez are great guitars!

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    Nice photo but it doesn't make me want a Newark, it makes me want a 50s Guild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
    Nice photo but it doesn't make me want a Newark, it makes me want a 50s Guild.
    Come over here and play it while we have a beer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
    Collings guitars are unreal, just as Stout said. The factory setup is the best you will ever see and the neck shapes are perfect. They are also researched/engineered very precisely to achieve the sonic qualities they want out of their instruments. The I-30 LC is a great example: hollow body like a Gibson 330 but with trestle bracing to give it more sustain and feedback resistance. It's nice to see builders who continually put research into improving on the design of guitars. It raises the whole level of guitar building. On top of that, QA at Collings is great, so those meticulously engineered designs are actually fulfilled in production (unlike a certain brand that we all know and love but obviously peaked in the 50s).

    That said, a Collings guitar really sounds and feels like a new guitar. This is the primary reason I would rather get a vintage Duojet rather than the Collings version. The vintage duojets sell for about the same as this new model, so it's not outrageous. If we were talking about a 59 ES-335 ($40k+) it would be different. But my point is that I think "mojo" is a real thing - not in a spiritual or metaphysical sense, but vintage guitars have a categorically distinct quality that lacks in modern guitars, with some exceptions. The two exceptions I can think of from experience are Slaman and Nacho. I don't know how they achieve it but both builders manage to reproduce the feel of a vintage guitar. Collings has an "aged finish" option. It's cool but doesn't feel anything like an old guitar.

    Btw since nacho has come up I thought I'd add I played one and holy shit it was awesome. I think it weighed something like 6 lbs total. I was blown away by it before hitting a single note. I don't know how to describe the experience of playing other than "inspiring". There is something very special about them. Julian Lage has said in interviews that he actually prefers it to his blackguard and I totally get it.



    Given your preference for Nacho and Collings I'm surprised you could live without nitro on that Guild!

    It's funny this comes up because the Guild M-75 is the guitar that always comes to my mind when people talk about chambered or "trestle block", whatever that means, construction. I feel like everything you could say about a duojet's or this Lage model's acoustic properties is even more true of the M-75. Any time I think wow I need a duo jet (which is rare but more common than I would expect), the M-75 instantly comes to mind. Other ones I think of are obviously Yanuziello and Grez. I think Grez are some of the most undervalued modern guitars out there given their design and unreal acoustic resonance.
    I've never heard of Nacho but I have a Collings and a Slaman (and Trenier, plus other stuff, not to mention the Buscarino, Andersens and others that have passed through my hands...). Collings are as good as it gets. It's just taste and other things that separate the very best guitars, but Collings are in that upper echelon. And in terms of build quality, which is more objective, nothing is better than Collings (disclaimer: have never seen a Monteleone in person...) although there are a few builders who supernaturally seem to be able to hit the same level of perfection.

    Note that Collings has both their standard "50's" neck shape and their more rare "60's" neck shape. I had the 50's on mine reshaped to a 60's, which IMO is closer to what you find on most modern jazz guitars.

    As for mojo, it's true that Collings are super squeaky clean and a bit sterile when you first get them, but just play the heck out of it for a year and it will feel much better. I got mine in early 2018 and it's now got some dings, sweat, saliva, etc. plus the white binding has darkened a little bit, the finish is not as glossy, etc.

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    One more promotional vid from Julian posted an hour age


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    Very nice and of course superb playing. I love that crunchy attack of the Ellis pkups and that well balanced volume on all strings. Sounds not like a Duo Jet since it isn‘t a Duo Jet (copy)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff
    Very nice and of course superb playing. I love that crunchy attack of the Ellis pkups and that well balanced volume on all strings. Sounds not like a Duo Jet since it isn‘t a Duo Jet (copy)
    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9
    LOL
    I‘m happy to entertain you...
    It's great for Gretsch to have such loyal fans like you, anyway.

    This guitar is obviously a Jet inspired instrument but it‘s nevertheless something different and not just a copy. It looks different, it‘s got different details* and it sounds different. That doesn't mean better or worse. And I love Gretsches, especially Duo Jets, but honestly and also obviously Collings is a different league (talking about Gretsch Proline).

    *Collings differentiates between semi-hollow and full hollow.
    The 470JL is listed as Full Hollow.

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    ^ ridiculous!! that's like saying the collings i-35 is not based on the gibby 335!



    plus lage was playing a real gretsch duo jet just prior!! so there was intent!

    gretsch rules! hah


    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff
    I‘m happy to entertain you...
    It's great for Gretsch to have such loyal fans like you, anyway.

    This guitar is obviously a Jet inspired instrument but it‘s nevertheless something different and not just a copy. It looks different, it‘s got different details* and it sounds different. That doesn't mean better or worse. And I love Gretsches, especially Duo Jets, but honestly and also obviously Collings is a different league (talking about Gretsch Proline).

    *Collings differentiates between semi-hollow and full hollow.
    The 470JL is listed as Full Hollow.
    Julian Lage's new Collings (Gretsch Duo Jet copy)-png

  15. #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9
    Julian Lage's new Collings (Gretsch Duo Jet copy)-png
    @ruger9, that‘s really all?

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    Got that Email today from Collingsguitars:

    Hi Stefan,

    Thank you for the inquiry. The 470 JL is a hollowbody guitar with a single 4" wide trestle "block", or more of a single brace, if you prefer, that has one single "foot" that makes contact with the back. It is not chambered. It is a custom design specifically made for this guitar to ensure proper structural rigidity and note density while maintaining the weight, feel, and response of a hollowbody instrument.

    The weight of the one I put on the scale yesterday was 6 lbs 5 ounces with the Bigsby and fully strung up ready to go. There will be a little variance from one to the next but they will all be in the 6 to 6 1/2pound range.

    I hope this helps.

    Joe Bastura
    Collings Guitars“



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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff
    Got that Email today from Collingsguitars:

    Hi Stefan,

    Thank you for the inquiry. The 470 JL is a hollowbody guitar with a single 4" wide trestle "block", or more of a single brace, if you prefer, that has one single "foot" that makes contact with the back. It is not chambered. It is a custom design specifically made for this guitar to ensure proper structural rigidity and note density while maintaining the weight, feel, and response of a hollowbody instrument.

    The weight of the one I put on the scale yesterday was 6 lbs 5 ounces with the Bigsby and fully strung up ready to go. There will be a little variance from one to the next but they will all be in the 6 to 6 1/2pound range.

    I hope this helps.

    Joe Bastura
    Collings Guitars“


    Excellent info!!! So it is in fact ALOT like a Gretsch with trestle braces. Actually, it's more like the Gretsch ML braces... Except it's one huge brace, wider than the pickups, as opposed to 2 skinner braces on the sides of the pickups.

    Pic of Gretsch ML braces:

    Julian Lage's new Collings (Gretsch Duo Jet copy)-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9
    Excellent info!!! So it is in fact ALOT like a Gretsch with trestle braces. Actually, it's more like the Gretsch ML braces... Except it's one huge brace, wider than the pickups, as opposed to 2 skinner braces on the sides of the pickups.

    Pic of Gretsch ML braces:

    Julian Lage's new Collings (Gretsch Duo Jet copy)-jpg
    ...and in fact a lot less like the chambered Duo Jet.

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    most jets come in around the low 7s in weight, i think. then again, i googled gretsch duo jet demos to get to the bottom of this, and i don't know. it sounds pretty hollow to me.


    i don't understand much portuguese but i assume she mentions that at some point. what a helpful demo indeed.

    anyhow, most electric collings are just gibsons with the details ironed out (or the mojo removed) depending on who you ask. i guess it's nice to see them move on to gretsch. maybe they'll get to guild, next.

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    Some of that ASMR stuff is bizarre....
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    i don't see what's so odd about a brazilian girl with giant cans babbling inaudibly while tapping on a nearly seventy year old guitar that we just happened to be discussing. i can only imagine collings and lage studied the video for hours to get some inspiration for their model.

    this might crack the list of the top ten weirdest things i've stumbled upon while still actually looking for that thing, sort of. what are the odds?

    and though i normally think black is kinda plain, that's a really good looking guitar. sounds pretty good, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov;[URL="tel:1092002"
    1092002[/URL]]Lage posted the marketing vid already shared in the OP on youtube today .. followed by this a bit later .. I guess it belongs here?

    wow !
    cant get the smile off my face
    so inventive and ingenious

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    All I see is a beautiful set of Brazilian Duo, feet, and gams. I guess that's the whole point of that video. I gotta flagellate meself now with the cat o'nine tails to dispel such unholy thoughts, a favourite instrument of dominatrices.

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    If the provocative YT video of the Portuguese lady was designed to stimulate sales of this guitar - it missed big time( for that purpose).

    It was likely more successful in providing something else as Jabs poignantly stated.

    Maybe I’m missing something about this guitar - but I don’t find it too appealing.

    However - Julian is a brilliant guitarist - and his creativity has no boundaries. I would have enjoyed seeing perhaps a Julian Lage signature Telecaster.


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    Quote Originally Posted by QAman

    However - Julian is a brilliant guitarist - and his creativity has no boundaries. I would have enjoyed seeing perhaps a Julian Lage signature Telecaster.
    Unfortunately Danocaster recently closed shop, but the tele Julian recorded Nocturne with was long commercially available .. and his Nash tele is still.

    I mean it won't say Julian Lage or Fender on the headstock, but buying the exact same guitar he plays is doable


    No many builders doing 50s Gretsch reissues, so he went to Collings ... I guess Gretsch themselves didn't see a business case in hiring Julian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobomov
    Unfortunately Danocaster recently closed shop, but the tele Julian recorded Nocturne with was long commercially available .. and his Nash tele is still.

    I mean it won't say Julian Lage or Fender on the headstock, but buying the exact same guitar he plays is doable


    No many builders doing 50s Gretsch reissues, so he went to Collings ... I guess Gretsch themselves didn't see a business case in hiring Julian?
    Thanks for the info -much appreciated.


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