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I know there was a thread a year ago on this, but HERE IT IS.
Heavenly tone... Ron Ellis pickups.
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01-10-2021 09:21 PM
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sounds great...and julian sure appears to be diggin it!...part of me, as longtime gretsch fan, wishes it had gretsch on the headstock and tv jones pups...but heck, even if it doesn't, it sounds great just as it is...kudos to collings, ellis and lage...nice
been sayin for years..dynas are great jazz pups!...just got to roll the guitar tone knob back a bit
cheers
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Makes me want to put the TV Jones T-Armonds back into my thinline Cabronita, it ain't a Jet, but it's kinda' Fender's idea of one LOL. (I have also ordered a Bigsby for it... but I'm a Bigsby kinda' guy)
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Originally Posted by neatomic
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sounds pretty good. if only it had cooler inlays, a cooler headstock, a cooler pickguard and a more interesting finish. i wonder what those are called, and if they are several thousand dollars cheaper than this.
but this still pretty neat.
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Originally Posted by feet
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I'm with feet. This doesn't make me want a collings, it makes me want a 50s Gretsch.
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This is the (current) Gretsch '53 "Reissue" of the DuoJet Lage has been playing in recent years, with Bigsby, $2500
Gretsch G6128T-53 Vintage Select Edition '53 Duo Jet - Black | Sweetwater
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i don't mean to besmirch the man, the company or the music, but not only could you get a custom shop gretsch for less than that, you could (possibly) get a vintage one for less. $7000 is a fair bit of change for a less cool looking guitar that may not be better than what's available, aside from having two names attached to it. whatever. he's a great player and he seems happy with it, so good for him. i hope it brings happiness to all it touches.
i will say i don't like the slightly different body shape, though.
guess i may as well post this again, too.
and i really like what they are doing with the duo jets these days. i don't really get the vintage vs player thing, but i love all the new colors. would sooner pick up one with dynas and one with filters and still have enough for a third for the price of the collings. value!
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Originally Posted by feet
The Vintage Select have floating wood bridges, and B6 Bigsby's (no tension bar)
The Players are stud-mounted metal bridges, and B5 Bigsby's (with tension bars)
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these days the "players" appellation usually means getting rid of the things that made the guitar cool in the first place...like putting center blocks in hollowbodys, fixed bridges instead of floaters, tension bar bigsbys, moving trem & bridge location around, flatter neck radiuses, lookalike but differently designed pickups, etc etc
the "players" must be gettin lazy..want convenience instead of the very og tone & feel they wish to emulate...oh well
cheers
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Originally Posted by ruger9
The Bigsby on the recent players models is a string-thru version (B7CP), so none of that fumbling with the string falling off the small pegs all the time
Been drawn to them since release in the autumn .. But you know, not much left in terms of physical guitar shops in my hood these days and not a single one of them carry Gretsch, so it would have to be a blind online purchase ... But they do seem cool .. Much more appealing that the vintage reissues to me.
Alltho I with some patience I could probably find an older reissue on the used market for half the price, so there is that too ... But screw it .. Bottom line is that I like them a lot
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ps- & even though jl sounds great with that collings..and really seems to be enjoying it/brings out the best in him...the ellisonic pickup is not a true copy of the dynasonic with the spring elevator mechanism for raising the magnet polepieces...the amount of metalwork in that pickup alone, contributes to it's tone!...plus the ability to tweak the polepieces for maximum string balance
here's close -up of the simpler ellisonic
cheers
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Originally Posted by neatomic
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Long ago I had a beat up Duo Jet with a Bigsby, Filtertrons, and thumbnail inlays made around 1957. It was in awful shape with a bit of a twist in the neck, but I still wish I’d kept it to restore.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Jeff
cheers
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A fabulous player with a brilliant exploratory mind - and full command of the fingerboard.
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@neatomic I have a pair of those GFS pickups - similar look, different construction: steel slugs, and bar magnets at the bottom (kinda like a P90 without adjustable polepieces - they also sound more P90ish than Dynasonic-like); I presume if that Ellis on the Collings is supposed to sound like a real Dynasonic, it will have real Alnico slug magnets.
BTW, there are a few other winders who make pickups like that (Dynasonic-spec, but without the complicated magnet elevator mechanism) - Gemini, Fralin, and I think, Mojo UK.
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i know roman...i was just being dramatic with gfs example..cause they look similar ("simplicity") and are cheap cost!
also very important in construction of dyna is wire...traditionally #44 or 45... very thin wire!...keeps hi-fi clarity while getting resistance number high
cheers
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and don't forget the gibson staple p90, the granddaddy of dynasonic clones.
Originally Posted by ruger9Originally Posted by ruger9
I wonder about a tension bar on a body that small. is that really necessary?
Originally Posted by neatomicOriginally Posted by neatomic
But I could never keep those differences straight, aside from thinner bodies, which I assume is not the case with the jets.
Originally Posted by neatomicOriginally Posted by neatomic
And apologies to the op for ruining this thread :
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IMHO, the Players models are for Les Paul players who want a headstock that says "Gretsch" instead of "Gibson", and some gaudy colors. Except for the Filtertrons there's not a lot of Gretsch DNA in those models...
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Originally Posted by feet
You'll notice the Collings "Jet" and the Gretsch Vintage Select Jets have wood base bridges, which means steeper neck angles... no tension bars on the Bigsby's.
The Gretsch Players guitars have stud bridges, and tension bars.
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ooohhhh... i never knew that. i guess i can see how that makes a difference, but most of my assumptions were built on gibsony types, which didn't seem to follow any logic as to tension bar vs none, so i assumed the body size or depth had something to do with it. of my two bigsby'd guitars, by non tensioned g6118 is super spongy, while my tensioned elitist sheraton is very stiff, though they have about the same amount of travel. i figure springs have something to do with that, but people must hate (or scapegoat) the tension bar for a reason.
i see the bridge differences now. also being a les paul player, studs don't bother me, but were i in the market, i'd want something as different from a les paul as possible. otherwise i'd just throw my extra filters in a cheap les paul. guess that makes me a vintage select guy, because when i pick up a gretsch, i want a gretsch.
which is a shame, because all the nifty colors and deals seem to be on the player ones, especially the les paul looking ones (which are still pretty cool, to be honest). and i've always taken issue with the player's edition because they incorporate some of the mods that i did or would have done, like the string through bigsby and treble bleed. they should be called the feet edition. but i'm not cool with the thinner bodies, so maybe not.
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Very interesting to see the Collings in action some more.
I'd love to hear his thoughts on ergonomic adjustments he has to make jumping from telecaster geometry to Gretsch-ish geometry.
Does anyone have any idea when the new model is going to make an appearance on the Collings website beyond the teaser page they made last year?
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Originally Posted by wkmandeville
Custom Gallery | Collings 470 JL #19005
There's a video where he plays both the Nachocaster and the Gretsch back-to-back, and other than saying the Gretsch is louder, he doesn't say anything about the differences in play/ergonomics between them. I have teles and a Gretsch, and I can switch between them no problem. The only real difference is the scale length and the neck angle... neither matters for me. I have played some guitars where a steep neck angle did make the guitar feel "weird" compared to something like a tele, and I did not like it- it wasn't comfortable for me- but my Gretsch 6120 is no problem.
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