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01-05-2021 12:05 PM
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Might as well post some vids of that guitar then ..
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Of course he gets his signature model. He is such a legend as a guitar player. We all grew up listening to him, transcribing his records.
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Seems appropriate since he's very popular on YouTube. At least he's got a great grasp of harmony!
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
Beato does play that double cutaway Gibson a lot, which probably helps, because, well, who else is playing one?
And there are definitely people growing up NOW who have learned a lot from his channel and are heavily influenced by his teaching and playing.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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Did they mention that it comes with the Beato Book PDF? No discount code necessary.
Just kidding. I like Rick Beato. He is great at demonstrating what he knows. A+ there. Explaining it, maybe a C+ IMHO.
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The combination of slab-cut mahogany body, mahogany neck, rosewood fb, and P-90 soap bars is going to be a tonal treat. i know what I would prefer for "tweaks," but Mr. Beato seems to know what he's doing. I say more power to him!
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
How can you belittle that achievement?
How can you not be thrilled by the fact that he inspires millions of people to play and get better at music?
That he on a regular basis introduces old forgotten music to a broader audience ... Like his video on Niels-Henning Ørsted Petersen?
His war on the use of machines to define rhythm and him again and again playing pre-2000 music with real drummers?
The fact that he has written and produced music for decades and has written a number 1 hit?
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I got a little carried away .. No offense
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
It's an honor previously given to the legends like Pat Martino, Herb Ellis, Wes Montgomery, Johnny Smith, Les Paul, Barney Kessel and BB King by Gibson in the past. And no I don't think Rick Beato and many other amazing people are in that company.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
Yeah .. I saw that this was where you where coming from after I posted. There is just so much old grumpy man on this forum that it's easy to get carried away
But yeah ... In reality they just give those to popular players in order to sell guitars. That the crowd you mention grew to be legends is just a happy coincidence. I assume there is a shit load of non-legendary players that had their own models back then that don't exist anymore .. If nothing else there is the Gibson Trini Lopez.
Sometimes it's just a chance at giving the public an instrument that is something else. I have a Ritchie Kotzen Fender strat. Don't care about the player, but that is one hell of a nice guitar. Chunky d-shaped neck, jumbo frets and a 12" radius. Plays phenomenallyLast edited by Lobomov; 01-05-2021 at 03:16 PM.
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Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
As for his double cut LP Special: it's a model Gibson produced about 15 years ago called LP Special worn or something like that. I have one of those myself that was a birthday present back in the day. The body is thinner than an actual LP Special and I wouldn't call the finish a "finish" - it's more like a tinted primer. It's a proper guitar nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
Gibson | Artist Collection
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Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
Issuing signature models for legends like BB KIng or Pat Martino actually is a win-win because it perpetuates the association of the company with iconic artists and helps them improve their reputation. It's not just for a short term sales boost.
If Gibson chooses to associate it's brand with popular internet guitar personalities, it might also bring a sales boost, but would it have the same effect on their reputation in the long term?Last edited by Tal_175; 01-05-2021 at 03:10 PM.
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Kinda like McDonalds, whether it’s good or not doesn’t matter. It sells. Mr. Beato fits today’s model of a prodigious talent perfectly. All our past legends became “legends” through sales of records and personal appearances in addition to prodigious talent.
But it’s a different world... 2.4MM followers pretty much says it all. Why did Gibson throttle back on archtops? Cause there sure ain’t 2.4MM following any single archtop player.
But this guy... even if they sell to 5% they’re selling what, around 130,000 guitars. I bet that Gibson hasn’t made that many archtops.
As to talent we have to accept its definition now is not what we thought it was 50 years ago... the prodigious talent today is a master of you tube. The music is way secondary, sadly.
so, to me, Mr Beato fits today’s model perfectly.
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Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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Gibson signature model guitars sell guitars. Isn't that why they are in business?
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Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
Last edited by Jim Soloway; 01-05-2021 at 07:20 PM.
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Originally Posted by lammie200
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Who cares.
But I'm with Tal_175 on this one
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I'm curious as to the price point of this thing. It's was one of the cheaper offerings back when he bought it ... Everyone knows this, so hopefully they will make it cheap'ish too.
The current LP Specials (single cut tho) are at €1500, which I find a bit much. Slap a Beato name on it and hopefully not Yikes!
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Billy Joe Armstrong? I think he has two Gibson Signature models at least. Come on...
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I've watched a bunch of his videos. He seems to know how to get a lot of the sounds on significant records. Different gear, of course.
Still, it's interesting to me what guitar he'd want to put his name on. One might presume it would be a kind of swiss army knife of guitars.
Of course, it might simply be whatever Gibson was willing to name after him.
Beato has accomplished something difficult and noteworthy. A signature guitar is fine with me.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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Are people moaning again?
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Probably not the right crowd on this forum, but there are many YouTube famous guitarists that now have signature gear, endorsements, and their own guitar and gear companies. Signature gear exists as a way to market to certain groups of fans, and YouTubers with millions of followers represent revenue opportunities. If I was running any of these guitar companies, you can be sure I'd be pursuing people like Rick Beato. And it also should be noted that the proceeds from the sales of his signature guitars are going to a charity.
Look at guys like Jason Richardson, Ola Englund, Jared Dines...the list goes on. The first two have been in bands, but are really known for their online presence. It sells gear, so brands get onboard. Or in Ola's case, he's influential enough to own a brand. CEOs and business leaders generally don't make the majority of their decisions as a manner of altruism, but as ways to make money. I don't mean that as offense or slight to anyone, but to think otherwise I think is disconnected from reality.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by lammie200
One reason he appeals to me is that he is a songwriter. I am not wild about any of his songs (that I know of) but I appreciate his interest in harmony, progressions, and trying to do things in different ways.
And his series "What Makes This Song Great?" is probably my favorite thing on his channel.
Here is his video about "Kid Charlemagne".
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What the heck, everyone here loves killer Steely Dan solos, so here's Beato on another bit of Larry Carlton magic, "Don't Take Me Alive."
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Okay, does anyone love his tone on that guitar?
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Will it also shout everything?
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Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to be romantic about Gibson. Based on the signature models I'm familiar with, I was under the impression that Gibson reserved that honor only for the most elite of the recorded artists. That's not because Gibson are tree hugging hippies but because they understand that the core asset of their business is their reputation which is only there because those artists recorded with Gibson guitars in the first place. Turns out there is a whole other world of signature guitars I'd never seen before.
Rick Beato seems like a fine musician and accomplished person in various areas of music production. Nevertheless something about his show rubs me the wrong way so I can't get into it. It's not about his musicianship, it's about how the episodes seem to be fine-tuned for the dynamics between youtube guitar celebrities and their fan base. Authenticity is important for me, but perhaps I should give the channel another shot and see if I'm misjudging it.Last edited by Tal_175; 01-05-2021 at 05:46 PM.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
As far as the current crop of YouTubers, there are plenty I just don't like. So I totally get what you're saying in some ways. And I am envious in some ways of their success; that jealousy certainly plays a part in my mind about who deserves what, knowing that deserves means absolutely nothing in a business context.
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Originally Posted by JSanta
Although Beato is pretty nifty on guitar actually... most of his playing is on instagram. Fusiony stuff.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
And yes, I do think Beato is a very good guitarist and a fine musician. Adam Neely is another musician on YouTube that I have learned a lot from.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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How many signature Gibson and Epiphone signature models has Joe Bonamossa had? Slash has been called their ambassador, but Joe has had Les Pauls (standards and customs), Flying Vs, Firebirds, at least one ES-335.
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Companies want YouTubers to sell products to followers. YouTubers cry for endorsement deals so they could brag about it. They make deals.
One way to make a deal is to order your signature model be made by company.
Earnings going to charity. Nice. How many items will sell, what is the deal btw Youtuber and company, how much money will be given away?
Is charity issue actually a bite, so more items would sell, so Youtuber could then brag about it?
Speaking about number of exalted followers ... It would imply number of views for each clip is at least equal to number of followers. Is it happening? I don't know. I do not follow that channel. Tried to watch, could not stand it.
My Band camp
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
That said, Rick Beato has been in the business music for decades. He has been involved in music at the highest level for most of his career. He has great ears, a good understanding of harmony, a knack for communication and inspiration. Plus, that Gibson he often plays sounds great and a signature version of that could be good.
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Originally Posted by Cunamara
https://www.ebay.com/b/Esteban-Acous...966/bn_3130144
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Now here's a Gibson signature guitar that brought a bit of fanboy outrage even on Gibson-focused guitar forums back when it was introduced.
10 Strangest Signature Guitars Ever Made! - Andertons Blog
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Originally Posted by Gitfiddler
And we all know that Nigels guitar collection ain't shabby
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Overall there are way too many signature artist models available from all the major brands available. And while we live in the golden age of guitar making. It somehow makes what was once a coveted instrument like Les Paul or an old Tele, a bit shallow.
I'm glad Gibson isn't offering Archtops with any of the newer players names on them. Mainly because they are so cost prohibitive to begin with.
But it's also a shame they don't make any L-5CES or similar models any longer.
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Glad to hear the news as I've been a fan of Rick's for years now. He's got good variety on his channel ranging from instructional material to industry news, gear reviews, and entertainment.
He's also turned me on to some rock acts that I wouldn't have heard otherwise.
'nuther bad reverb experience here...
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