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Originally Posted by Tal_175
Johnny A might be an example. He is not well known, but he, imo, makes up for that with virtuoso playing and a unique design on the guitar. He’s played live with heavy hitters.
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01-07-2021 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by HeyNow
I mean for an well known guitarist to list some-one as an influence then that player needs to influencial, which happens in a players youth and then that player needs times to get well know. A well known players influence lies at least 15 years in the past.
So no signature guitars to you if you didn't sell records back in 2005??
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Originally Posted by HeyNow
What you're saying it that we need a Justin Bieber signature guitar and not a Rick Beato one?
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
2) Rick Beato's been in the music industry for decades, so he is no spring chicken. I'm not arguing he is too young to have a Sig guitar.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
Originally Posted by Lobomov
But, to me, it would make more sense for Justin Bieber to get a signature Gibson, based on his history of becoming famous playing guitar and his reach. I think a lot of older people don't know Justin Bieber gained notoriety from videos of him playing guitar and singing as a teenager.
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Originally Posted by HeyNow
The thing is that the signature guitar should not be given to players that HAVE been an influence, but to players that ARE an influence. Beato is a huge influence on guitar players all over the world .. in all ages. Justin Bieber is not. Nor is Lil Wayne.
With regards to influencial guitar player at this moment in time, it's hard to think of someone bigger than Beato. The old guys like John Mayer already have had their model, I remember 3 different JM models.
You mention Paul Davis. I wouldn't be surprised if he is offered an endorsement soon enough.
I mean someone like Tom Quale that is strictly 100% youtube and does no live gigs has been already. His Ibanez is a stellar model.
I mean .. Biggest jazz guitar legend ever Pat Metheny had sold has had 45 recordings and sold 20 million records according to his homepage
Pat Metheny : Awards
That is a reach of 450,000 people pr record on average.
Beato reaches much more than that with every single video and he is pushing a LOT of jazz content into the homes of people everywhere.
Apart from the fact that you don't like him personally .. What beef can you have with him in terms of music?
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Originally Posted by HeyNow
Originally Posted by HeyNow
Originally Posted by HeyNow
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I was not aware that Justin Bieber played guitar at all. (I was familiar with his name but not his music.) Here's a selection of his performances with a guitar starting when he was quite young.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
Beato is a huge influence on guitar players all over the world .. in all ages. Justin Bieber is not. Nor is Lil Wayne.
Moving forward, we can only speculate, but would a new Jimi Hendrix guitar sell more than a Rick Beato guitar this year? If the price is the same, I would say Jimi Hendrix. Why? Historical data. Jimi Hendrix sig guitars have provably generated way more revenue than any Rick Beato guitar. And why has Jimi Hendrix sold so many Sig guitars in the past? Things that Rick Beato has not done/accomplished.
I mean someone like Tom Quale that is strictly 100% youtube and does no live gigs has been already. His Ibanez is a stellar model.
I mean .. Biggest jazz guitar legend ever Pat Metheny had sold has had 45 recordings and sold 20 million records according to his homepage
Pat Metheny : Awards
That is a reach of 450,000 people pr record on average.
Beato reaches much more than that with every single video and he is pushing a LOT of jazz content into the homes of people everywhere.
Apart from the fact that you don't like him personally .. What beef can you have with him in terms of music?
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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Originally Posted by patshep
if gibson had any clue they would make a signature model for a certain youtuber with over 4 million subscribers who actually interests young people in playing the guitar by making videos with up to 11 million views.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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Originally Posted by HeyNow
Originally Posted by HeyNow
Gibson forray into the Jimi Hendrix market is a very limited relase of SGs and Flying Vs priced at 10k and obviously aimed at the wealthy nostalgic boomer market and not any young players.
Over a lifetime Jimi off course is much larger than Beato, but in order to sell guitars in 2020 then I'm willing to wager that a TV Yellow Double Cut LP Special will outsell a comparable Jimi Hendrix model
Originally Posted by HeyNow
Originally Posted by HeyNow
Originally Posted by HeyNow
I don't think there isn't a single jazz player currently that inspires more people to play and practice guitar than Rick Beato. (Ok, he is more fusion than jazz, but I see fusion as part of the jazz family)
Are we not thrilled that signature guitars go to the jazz community or do we feel that jazz guitar models should be limited to Benson, Scofield and Metheny?
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
Over a lifetime Jimi off course is much larger than Beato, but in order to sell guitars in 2020 then I'm willing to wager that a TV Yellow Double Cut LP Special will outsell a comparable Jimi Hendrix model
Both Gibson and Ibanez are businesses only concerned with making as big a profit selling guitars as they can. Are you seriously telling me that a Beato model will tarnish their brand and impact future guitar sales?
Look at the Gibson buys Mesa threads on TGP or the comments on the announcement from Mesa on their IG. It's 90% negative.
The brand has been tarnished and is not getting better. "Play Authentic" campaign where the CMO admits it was his worst mistake.
KKR - the new owners don't care about longevity. They will wring as much out of the reputation and brand (even you wrote Gibson has a reputation) and then cash out however they can, ASAP.
Actually if we go down that road then nothing you mention has anything to do with Gibson. Gibson's purpose is to make money selling guitars so their shareholders earn as much as possible. It is not to cater to the Boomer sense of legacy.
I don't think there isn't a single jazz player currently that inspires more people to play and practice guitar than Rick Beato. (Ok, he is more fusion than jazz, but I see fusion as part of the jazz family)
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Originally Posted by HeyNow
As a rule, young people are the worst judges of musical merit. (And pretty much everything else but especially food and movies.) Keeping up with them is no way for an adult to spend his life. (Unless he's trying to sell them something.)
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
I definitely think a LOT of newer music is very bad (including Bieber) but I wouldn’t generalize based on the age of the listener or generalize an entire generation’s taste. Charlie Christian died when he was very young. I wouldn’t say his taste in music was bad. Lots of seminal records were created by legends when they were in their early 20s.
As far as general tastes, Instagram influencers are pushing the food culture more than anybody has in the past, for example.
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Originally Posted by HeyNow
Originally Posted by HeyNow
.. But you had to go to the two most legendary sax players ever as you ran out of important guitar players
Maybe throw in Bach, Mozart and Beethoven?
I'm not trolling btw.
Apart from Metheny who is 66 all those people have been dead for decades. Sure a lot of established players have been inspired by them, but the number of new players that go to them for guitar inspiration is very small
You know what once was in high value? Elvis memorabilia .. and here is what happened with that
Can’t help falling in price: why Elvis memorabilia is plummeting in value | Elvis Presley | The Guardian
Something is going to happen with all the Hendrix, Page and who ever you mention gear in 10 years when that generation starts kicking the bucket. Thinking that they will last forever is not going to happen. Basing the Gibson brand on those names in 2021 is just insane.
Not saying Beato is a Hendrix or a Page, but no way I'm buying that they are a legacy that should not be tarnished by his mediocrity .. They're soon enough gone and will be relegated to being historically interesting and only important among musicians into that little niche that they represent.
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TBH in many ways Rick is more accomplished player than some who have had sig models...
If they were doing sigs for young trendy guitar playing music stars they’d complain they’d never heard of them or that they can’t play or whatever
St Vincent had a lot of shit for exactly that. Meh.Last edited by christianm77; 01-07-2021 at 04:15 PM.
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This is why we can’t have nice things.
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... I mean .. Biggest jazz guitar legend ever ... had sold has had 45 recordings and sold 20 million records according to his homepage
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That is a reach of 450,000 people pr record on average.
"YT persona" reaches much more than that with every single video and he is pushing a LOT of jazz content into the homes of people everywhere ...
My Band camp
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Originally Posted by Vladan
Sendt fra min SM-G981B med Tapatalk
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
I love how so many names that I mention are irrelevant to Gibson ...
.. But you had to go to the two most legendary sax players ever as you ran out of important guitar players
Apart from Metheny who is 66 all those people have been dead for decades. Sure a lot of established players have been inspired by them, but the number of new players that go to them for guitar inspiration is very small
Something is going to happen with all the Hendrix, Page and who ever you mention gear in 10 years when that generation starts kicking the bucket.
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Originally Posted by HeyNow
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Originally Posted by Woody Sound
I'm not following the Chinery reference. I know who he is. He's done a lot for the archtop community.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
My Band camp
Grant Green, What is This Thing
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