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    Is there any one out there who actually knows what the physical difference is between the two pickups? Or are they basically the same with different mountings? Played a Herb Ellis 165 with a BJB and it did sound nice. Had various experiences with mini bucks. Currently I have an Asian Epiphone with USA minis and they sound great!

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    BJB pickups are GREAT pickups. I put a Schatten volume/tone control on my 165 and it was the best thing for that guitar.
    Joe D

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    I have an ES-165 with a BJB and an ES-390 with mini humbuckers. Appearance wise they are different (full cover pickguard mounted versus exposed polepieces and set into the top) but you probably knew that. Sonically I don't think that they are similar, but you have to keep in mind that the BJB is on a full size hollow body and the mini hums are on a thin hollow body. Even more so the neck pickup on the 390 is mostly mounted to a continuation of the neck wood. If I just said what the two guitars sound like I would say that the 165 BJB sounds full, spacious, acoustic, dynamic, articulate and the 390 mini hums sound tighter, less spacious and softer. With that said the 390 has both neck and bridge pickups so I can widen the sound by using both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max405
    BJB pickups are GREAT pickups. I put a Schatten volume/tone control on my 165 and it was the best thing for that guitar.
    Joe D
    Thanks for the reply. Can you explain the benefits of the retro fit vol tone? I’ve not heard of this product.
    Cheers

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    Directly from Gibson the ES-165 with floater only comes with a volume control, no tone control, like the Gibson Johnny Smith did (or Eddie Van Halen's Frankenstein guitar!). Retrofitting the Schatten controls provides both tone and volume control. I am a knob twiddler and like to have both, but an awful lot of people just set the tone at the amp and get on with playing, usually better than I play!

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    Gibson uses the BJB on Citations and LeGrsndes and a small number of acoustic L5s put out by the Crimeon Custom Shop. Also the run of Herb Ellis with floaters. Theyre great for amplifying guitars with terrific tonal qualities - sure benefit having a tone pot though- many cats use the Schatten hidden under the pick guard so as not to clutter the estetically pleasing appearance of the one knob look

    i just grabbed up a LeGrsnde pick guard with a BJB !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by md54
    Thanks for the reply. Can you explain the benefits of the retro fit vol tone? I’ve not heard of this product.
    Cheers
    Cunamera said it all. If I might add, the pickup in its normal state is great but you can take down the brightness a tad with the tone knob. One thing of note, the BJB pickups tend to sound best at full volume. With the Schatten vol/tone this allows you to not run full volume and back off the tone. This gives the same sound as full volume without the Tone knob, just with less volume. (Sorry, you might have read that twice for it to make sense).
    The BJB is a great pickup. Just a tick behind the real Gibson Johnny Smith pickups, which I think are the best of the best. Don’t be fooled into thinking the “JSmith” pickups found on the Gibson solid formed guitar are as good as a real Johnny Smith or a BJB. They are not even close.
    Good luck to you. I hope I helped.
    Joe D

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    So just my experience playing both on Gibson high end Archtops over the years.
    I much prefer the JS mini hb over the BJB pickup.
    But to be fair ever compared them on an actual gig situation. Just in a music store through amplifiers like a Fender or similar type of amp.

    So maybe a full range amp and speaker for the BJB would enhance its tonal qualities. The JS matches quite nicely with the midrange nature of a Fender amp.

    My personal choice is either a Kent Armstrong 12 pole peice floater USA version or currently a Peter Biltoft CC Rider floater humbucker.

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    Can also try a lick of Maui Babe bronze screen on those offending strings .— tone them down a bit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Max405
    Cunamera said it all. If I might add, the pickup in its normal state is great but you can take down the brightness a tad with the tone knob. One thing of note, the BJB pickups tend to sound best at full volume. With the Schatten vol/tone this allows you to not run full volume and back off the tone. This gives the same sound as full volume without the Tone knob, just with less volume. (Sorry, you might have read that twice for it to make sense).
    The BJB is a great pickup. Just a tick behind the real Gibson Johnny Smith pickups, which I think are the best of the best. Don’t be fooled into thinking the “JSmith” pickups found on the Gibson solid formed guitar are as good as a real Johnny Smith or a BJB. They are not even close.
    Good luck to you. I hope I helped.
    Joe D

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    MB,
    You mean the sunscreen? I never heard of doing that. Does it really work?
    I never in a million years would have thought something like this would work. What does it actually do?
    JD

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    Does anyone actually know what the physical difference is between the BJB and the mini Gibson?

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    Bad photo from my 1979 catalog with some technical data :
    BJB versus mini humbucker?-79-cat-bjb-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by JFranck
    Bad photo from my 1979 catalog with some technical data :
    BJB versus mini humbucker?-79-cat-bjb-jpg
    Very much appreciate the post. Pity that it doesn’t include the minis but it’s a start.

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    If the BJB was mounted in a Les Paul or an SG, by the numbers it would be considered a super hot rock 'n' roll shredder pick up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by md54
    Very much appreciate the post. Pity that it doesn’t include the minis but it’s a start.
    On this catalog, those PU were offered as spare parts, probably mini-hb were not. But a LP Deluxe is figured with them .
    Last edited by JFranck; 12-05-2020 at 10:38 AM.