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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
Keith
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11-23-2020 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by neatomic
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There's one for sale at Larkstreetmusic.com
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My very first 'real' archtop was a 90's, heritage cherry ES-165 Herb Ellis. It belonged to a good friend who sold it to me for about a grand, what I thought was a small fortune. That ES-165 could cop every jazz tone I ever had in my head up to that time, and plenty of that illusive 'thunk'.
The 165 is long gone, but I missed it. When a deal came along recently on an '89 ES-175 Mahogany back, I jumped at the chance to own another simple laminate jazz box. Tonally it sounds close to that old red 165, but better, more refined. Each guitar is different, even close cousins like these two. These are two fairly basic, laminate archtops that do what they are intended...sound great amplified with minimal frills. Perfect!
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Originally Posted by uriah
Last edited by PMB; 11-24-2020 at 04:43 PM.
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Originally Posted by PMB
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Originally Posted by djg
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
The 165 i have now is 2000 the neck is definitely thinner, not super thin but really comfortable................. it feels like it was made for me
Eg necks can be slimmer/ish but sometimes radius too flat or too round. Two Eastman AR371 i had were thinnish at nut and 12F area but slightly wider across say 57mm as oppessed to 53mm. I did not like them very much at all, yes initial appeal which did not last.
not just a case of thin or thick. these parameters all drop into place once you had/played a guitar for some time.
DB imo these can produce the "Thunk" which is not what some may think being merely dark/middy etc , a guitar can be dark or not bright but not have Thunk, i have heard ( not many) older players with 175 with a brighter tone and thunk, with older Gibsons and obviously older amps.
you know exactly what the THUNK is. i have you playing many times with it.
Bottom line you wont be disappointed with anES165 forget patterned headstock, an Uncluttered ES175 acoustically louder &one pup.
Even the thickest neck ES165 is not uncomfortable, i cant really put into words they just fit. I hope this helps,
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I sold my original ES-165 a few years back for something like $1400 or $1500, I think. I listed here for a while with no takers and then sold it on Reverb within a few days to a very satisfied buyer. I liked it but don’t really miss it and at the time I was exploring Hofners and other guitars, trying to figure out what I wanted. Yes, the HE was solid. I learned set-up with this guitar and it was definitely put together to last. I always thought it felt heavy and not responsive acoustically, which has largely put me off exploring the 175 style again. Seeing how prices are going, I might be fortunate to be one of the few not lusting for one, but then every guitar I actually want seems to be expensive too!
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My 1996 has the single humbucker in the top, and sounds great!
I also have a vintage 1961 ES-175, and they play & sound very similar.
The 165 is top quality in every regard, the neck is very straight, great nitro finish, gold appointments, etc.
Ziggy tailpiece shows No instability.
criticisms of the guitar seem like cynical malarkey IMHO.
Cheers, JT
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Here’s a video example on the 165, my rendition of Slow Boat.
cheers, JT
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FWIW I used to own a 92 ES-165 with the top mounted full sized humbucker and it featured a 50s Gibson profile neck.
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