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    So somehow I've ended up with THREE solid-body electrics. Three. It all started innocently enough, when I wanted a guitar the same as the first "nice" guitar I ever owned, a Hagstrom. Then this Telecaster showed up... and then a Jazzmaster followed me home... loving all three and having a ton of fun playing them.

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    Forgive me if I'm mistaken but it seems to me that there is a missing Stratocaster in the picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175 View Post
    Forgive me if I'm mistaken but it seems to me that there is a missing Stratocaster in the picture.
    The Hagstrom is kind of strat-like, though the pickups have a little feel towards a P90.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone View Post
    The Hagstrom is kind of strat-like, though the pickups have a little feel towards a P90.
    Yeah, I noticed that. I'm going to the guitar store tomorrow to get some thomastik flats, I hope this thread is not gonna lead me to walk out with a Telecaster tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175 View Post
    Yeah, I noticed that. I'm going to the guitar store tomorrow to get some thomastik flats, I hope this thread is not gonna lead me to walk out with a Telecaster tomorrow.
    Life is strange that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175 View Post
    Yeah, I noticed that. I'm going to the guitar store tomorrow to get some thomastik flats, I hope this thread is not gonna lead me to walk out with a Telecaster tomorrow.
    Which is exactly what happened to me 24 years ago: went to the local music store to stock up on strings for an upcoming album session and left with a MIJ 50s blackguard Telecaster. And put it to good use on the sessions. I still have and love it.

    Lawson: absolutely nothing wrong with solid bodies. Teles are well loved among jazzers and Joe Pass recorded an excellent album with a Jazzmaster....

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    Nice stuff. A great tele is absolutely a thing of beauty, and there's really no better solid body for sitting than a Jazzmaster. So comfortable.

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    I'm not sure I would be capable of leaving a store empty-handed that had that Hagstrom for a good price.

    I liked them back in the day.

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    Love that JM. Do you have the original wang bar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOMMO View Post
    Which is exactly what happened to me 24 years ago: went to the local music store to stock up on strings for an upcoming album session and left with a MIJ 50s blackguard Telecaster. And put it to good use on the sessions. I still have and love it.

    Lawson: absolutely nothing wrong with solid bodies. Teles are well loved among jazzers and Joe Pass recorded an excellent album with a Jazzmaster....
    What's really fun is that I am enjoying the solid bodies for solo guitar playing. I started in jazz infatuated with solo guitar chord-melody playing. It was all I cared about for 20 years. Then I got interested in bop style line playing and for the last 10 years or so my solo chord-melody has been back-burner. But first when i got the Telecaster I noticed I could produce a really sweet, clear tone that was wonderful for solo guitar--kind of the Lenny Breaux sort of sound (but nowhere close just sort of in that direction). It was a delightful change from the darker tone of the hum buckers on my archtops. The el-cheapo Squier Jazzmaster also produces a very nice solo-guitar tone that i am enjoying. Line playing sounds good on them too, but their utility for solo guitar was a bit of a surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    Nice stuff. A great tele is absolutely a thing of beauty, and there's really no better solid body for sitting than a Jazzmaster. So comfortable.
    That was my very first impression of the Jazzmaster. VERY comfortable for sitting, which was always my complaint about solid-bodies since I started out mainly on Dreadnought acoustics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar View Post
    I'm not sure I would be capable of leaving a store empty-handed that had that Hagstrom for a good price.

    I liked them back in the day.
    It was my first nice electric. My dad one day heard me playing and was impressed, decided I needed a nice guitar. We went to a shop in Savannah, Ga. and I fell in love with that red Hagstrom. He bought it on the spot, but put it away for Christmas! He also found an amp that as I recall was essential either Sears or Western Auto's equivalent of a Deluxe Reverb. Tubes, single 12" speaker, my memory is that it had the silver face look. Reverb and Tremolo. I've never found a photo of that amp anywhere. I had no idea what a nice amp it was then, and I regret allowing it to slip away from me.

    So yeah... I saw that Hagstrom for a reasonable price and jumped at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Sound View Post
    Love that JM. Do you have the original wang bar?
    Oh yes. It's new, a Squier "Vintage Vibe" (I think) model. Pretty cheap, but I really like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone View Post
    Oh yes. It's new, a Squier "Vintage Vibe" (I think) model. Pretty cheap, but I really like it.
    The Vintage Vibe series are very fine guitars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawson-stone
    What's really fun is that I am enjoying the solid bodies for solo guitar playing.
    I hear you Lawson! This is the root of my recently found love of solid body electric guitars. Specifically Fender guitars... and so far, Fender amps.

    Counterpoint and voice leading are even more delightful and delicious when the non-moving voices sustain clearly, which is an attribute of these slab guitars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Neverisky
    I hear you Lawson! This is the root of my recently found love of solid body electric guitars. Specifically Fender guitars... and so far, Fender amps.

    Counterpoint and voice leading are even more delightful and delicious when the non-moving voices sustain clearly, which is an attribute of these slab guitars.
    There is a video of Ted Greene playing a solo guitar wedding gig. His tone on the Tele sounds like a chorus of angels.

    I like solid and semihollow with a block because they sustain better in the upper register, in my experience. Playing sustained notes up there is part of the style I want to play.

    I've heard some riveting gorgeous sounds from full size archtops including what I think of as the best tone ever -- Wes. But, you hear solid bodies played by Ted Greene and Lorne Lofsky -- and it's hard to choose.

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    when jazzmasters first were released in late 50's they had 13 flats on them..now they come with round 10's...strings make big difference in tone and setup....experiment...

    welcome to the delightful world of jazzmasters!!


    cheers

    ps- a strat should be next...the 3 pups and trem spring block system make it way different from that hagstrom...despite the body/headstock shape similarities..

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    My only solid body is a Strat. I borrowed a Tele at one point but that was a long time ago. I really like the single notes, chord melodies and finger picked chords on a Strat. You get a sweet tone with sustain. What I have problem with in the jazz context is, chords strummed with a pick. They just tend to pop out too much. There is a very forward quality to them. I guess that's why funk players like Strats. It puts the funk rhythm in the forefront as opposed to getting lost in the background.

    Do you guys have a similar experience with Tele or is the Tele neck pickup mellower? Maybe that forwardness of the attack is a more solidbody vs hollowbody thing.

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    ^ you have to drop the pups into the body a bit...strat pickups have magnet polepieces..sit close to strings...can be bright and bold...lowering pups helps..as does a pure nickel or even pure nickel flat string

    a tele neck pup is designed/wired differently than a strat neck pup...besides cover...different sized wire and bobbin...

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175
    Do you guys have a similar experience with Tele or is the Tele neck pickup mellower?
    It depends.

    I think there may be too many variables for me to make a generalization about that. The pickups, the wiring, etc. I owned a half dozen varieties of Teles before finding the CS 51 reissue I now have. The guitar has the "old" wiring which I know takes the tone control out of the circuit for the neck pickup and may do something else to make the sound warmer when the switch is in the forward position.

    Also, I don't use a pick. I play with my fingertips on half-round 12s tuned to Eb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
    There is a video of Ted Greene playing a solo guitar wedding gig. His tone on the Tele sounds like a chorus of angels.
    Oh yes, I've listened to that video more than a few times!

    I have to mention Tim Lerch at this point. He's quite versatile and his talents include solo, fingerstyle jazz which he plays most often on Tele.

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    to get back to op...tough to beat jazzmaster neck pup...wide flat bobbin ala p-90, but with magnet polepieces...and the jazzmaster dual neck pup circuits...perfect 50's advanced engineering...jazzmaster was fenders top of the line

    young zappa with jm


    cheers

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    It has happened to the best of us. Nice guitars!

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    So this is what this thread made me do. I went and played some tele's, I loved the tele neck pickup. I didn't buy a Tele but instead I ordered the most jazzy tele neck pick up I could find (SD Alnico 2 model) and made this. A Strat with only a Tele neck pickup. I doubt anybody has done this before. It looks and sounds amazing
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    Man, that thing is jarring to look at. It looks like some oddball 60s Japanese/Italian/German guitar that somehow survived unscathed all these decades. How very awesome that you managed to come up with your own thing. I keep scrolling back up to it and contemplating the negative space. Very cool indeed.

    And between my les Paul and the epi LP special I learned on all those years ago that I dragged out of storage, I've been planking away on my planks like a planker. Quite enjoyable. Missed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feet View Post
    Man, that thing is jarring to look at. It looks like some oddball 60s Japanese/Italian/German guitar that somehow survived unscathed all these decades. How very awesome that you managed to come up with your own thing. I keep scrolling back up to it and contemplating the negative space. Very cool indeed.

    And between my les Paul and the epi LP special I learned on all those years ago that I dragged out of storage, I've been planking away on my planks like a planker. Quite enjoyable. Missed it.
    It's a bit of a mind bender that's right (or shall I say Fender bender). It's also probably only about 5lbs. No tremolo block. I carved a poplar piece to fit in the cavity. So it's a string through the body design. My goal was to see how light I could make it. It started out as chamberd, unfinished Warmoth body. I built a more traditional Strat initially. But I like this version better. Solidbodies have their magic, for sure.

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    Back in my teens, at a "battle of the bands" another band player had a powder blue Hagstrom 1 and a Reverb Rocket amp. From that day on I wanted one and never had an opportunity to snatch one.

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    I've been having fun with this solidbody bad boy during covid. C24-Piezo. Especially splitting the mag and piezo pickups into two appropriate amps. I bought some roswood parts for it, including knobs with the birds inlays, that I lined up to act as level pointers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175 View Post
    So this is what this thread made me do. I went and played some tele's, I loved the tele neck pickup. I didn't buy a Tele but instead I ordered the most jazzy tele neck pick up I found (SD Alnico 2 model) and made this. A strat with only a Tele neck pickup. I doubt anybody has done this before. It looks and sounds amazing
    Is it a trick of light or is that jack reversed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betz View Post
    Is it a trick of light or is that jack reversed?
    Good eye. Yes, it's reversed. See I use a strap even when I play sitting down most of the time to support a more upright body posture. Neck is at around 45 degrees angle (as it should) and the edge of the body rests on my upper thighs. I put the guitar caple through the strap so it's tucked away (among other reasons). But the normal orientation of the Strat input jack is such that if you put the cable through the strap, you're bending the caple at a sharp angle just as it leaves the jack. These sharp bends gradually destroy the cables by breaking the copper wires inside.

    I tried this reverse jack orientation to see if putting the cable through the strap would be less awkward for the cable. I'm a nerd, I leave no stone unturned.

    On that note, the body is French polished with shellac like how the old violin makers did their finishes.

    All that took me only two days (including cutting a new pickguard), while I worked full time and practiced 2 hours a day. Viva Covid.

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    Has anybody tried the 35$ air pocket Amazon guitar strap? I bought one and like it ok. It might be a little wide but overall its very comfortable.I use it on a tele.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tal_175 View Post
    Good eye. Yes, it's reversed. See I use a strap even when I play sitting down most of the time to support a more upright body posture. Neck is at around 45 degrees angle (as it should) and the edge of the body rests on my upper thighs. I put the guitar caple through the strap so it's tucked away (among other reasons). But the normal orientation of the Strat input jack is such that if you put the cable through the strap, you're bending the caple at a sharp angle just as it leaves the jack. These sharp bends gradually destroy the cables by breaking the copper wires inside.

    I tried this reverse jack orientation to see if putting the cable through the strap would be less awkward for the cable. I'm a nerd, I leave no stone unturned.

    On that note, the body is French polished with shellac like how the old violin makers did their finishes.

    All that took me only two days (including cutting a new pickguard), while I worked full time and practiced 2 hours a day. Viva Covid.
    I did that with one of my Strats once. I thought it looked pretty cool. I wasn't wrong.

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    I've never played a Jazzmaster, but love the sound, I'm slightly afraid of being thought of as a hipster (kidding)
    i keep seeing the inexpensive J Mascis ones around