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Checked out some Reverb listings for European based sellers and noted some asking prices in US dollars. I do not think you can talk down these asking prices with 1000s of dollars. My guess is a few hundred at best. Kind of depressing right?
Netherlands:
1949 Gibson ES 5 10.785
1956 Gibson ES 175 11.289
UK:
1949 Gibson ES350: 11.005
1949 Gibson ES5 12.388
1961 Gibson ES175 10.322
1954 Gibson ES125 3577
1968 Gibson Barney Kessel 6192
1960 Gibson ES125 3296
France:
1947 Gibson ES150 4288
1953 Gibson ES175 9433
1963 Gibson Tal Farlow 16.779
Not even talking vintage Super 400 (30k+) or L5 (20K-30k)
DB
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08-20-2020 10:03 AM
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Confirmed Mr. DB ! Incredible prices here in Paris.
But you can try your luck and bargain. I did this several times. Yes, you can cut several grand on them!
Best.
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We all know that USA is a sales tax haven compared to Europe. Germany I believe currently charges 17% VAT following a Corona-induced reduction from 19%. Most other EU countries levy 20-25%, with Hungary leading the pack with 27%. So there's room for discount for a non-EU buyer.
By contrast, when Europeans buy from overseas, they have to add the sales tax, possibly a customs duty and of course the shipping cost. Still, some of the items on this website's "for sale" section look like a bargain compared to your findings. But those European prices are walking in the air like Wile E. Coyote, not realizing they are in free fall. I actually predict a flow of vintage - and contemporary - archtops to Europe, given that the Pandemic is likely to create more "must sell" situations in the US, where health insurance is/was often provided by the (ex-) employer. The weaker dollar also kicks in.
I'll be very happy if times to come will prove me wrong.
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Originally Posted by Fred Archtop
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Originally Posted by Gitterbug
Importing a guitar from the US into my country will add about 25% to the price you paid (shipping, insurance and import duties).
DBLast edited by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog; 08-20-2020 at 11:31 AM.
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Sellers always like to highlight the relative rarity of archtops-especially vintage American ones-here in Europe as a justification for high prices. Of course, this is true, but the market of potential buyers is smaller as well.
Often prices seem quite optimistic, given how long the guitars sit unsold.
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Support your local luthier. :0
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Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
John
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Originally Posted by John A.
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This does not surprise me. It should be noted that the best Gypsy guitars (Selmer style) come from France (Dupont, Favino etc.) and here in the USA bring a premium price over what an EU buyer may pay.
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Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
John
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
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I think Reverb is generally overpriced tbh. Perhaps I’m naive. I see guitars sit there. Things like used high end Eastmans going for 4 grand.
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Back in the ‘90s a small local music shop owner told me about a French couple he sees twice a year when they stop in to pick up two Strats. Apparently they were allowed to bring back one each as personal, no import fees, and sell them for enough of a markup to make it worth the trip. No vintage involved.
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The market is up. Depressing?? Depressing would be if my vintage gear was all worthless.
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Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
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Originally Posted by John A.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
I'm guessing it is. It seems to me the more inflated the asking prices, the more it behooves these sellers to conceal final accepted sale prices.
Just MHO - -yes / no ???
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Originally Posted by waltf
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