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    Corona times – youtube times. Our organ player introduced me to Cory Henry and in my quarantine and later on I was watching a lot of videos from his band "The Funk Apostels" – we can't really go out and see a band playing these days ... Great band playing funk with an artsy jazz approach (the songs sound a bit different every time). Wonderful keyboard playing and also sounds from Moog and Prophet synthesizers – I wouldn't have thought I dig it that much, but check out this if you are interested:

    Anyway I saw that the guitar player Adam Agati – who also plays with Marcus Miller – uses these quirky jazzmaster shaped guitars – not the Fenders with all the switching overkill and peculiar tremolo and bridge, but "boutique" variations on the theme with "reasonable" electronic and hardware. Now I find myself interested in this shape – thinking about making one for myself. I have a new band project coming (looking forward for the first rehearsal in 2020 for me on sunday!) and I found out I can't really use an archtop to fit in, so I'll use a telecaster – it's a funk band. This fostered a renewed interest in solid body guitars as did boredom due to the lockdown.

    Is anybody using a guitar with this jazzmaster shape?
    Is it really as comfortable to play as the internet says?

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    Yes, it really is as comfortable to play as the internet says.
    The trick is simply to find or make a light one, which is not hard.
    Here's one I'm working on right now.

    Last edited by Hammertone; 06-20-2020 at 08:18 AM.

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    He plays a Fano Alt de Facto JM6, a perfectly good guitar which is damaged in the factory to create the impression that it is old.

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    For me – very much so. I have a Johnny Marr Jaguar that is my "jazz guitar" at the moment. The humbucking mode sounds actually pretty jazzy. I wonder what they would say at the local jam if/when I bring it in. An elder trumpet player teased me about my Telecaster and asked where I left the soundhole.. So my Jag might induce a stroke.

    Anyway, back to the shape. The Jaguar body shape wraps around nicely and I wear it pretty high. I find it very ergonomic. It also puts my right hand in a very comfortable position for picking and ditto for left hand fingering.

    YMMV, though. I have never gelled with Strats and find them awkward.

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    Stop. I don’t need excuses to covet a surf green jazz master.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeezebox View Post
    For me – very much so. I have a Johnny Marr Jaguar that is my "jazz guitar" at the moment. The humbucking mode sounds actually pretty jazzy. I wonder what they would say at the local jam if/when I bring it in. An elder trumpet player teased me about my Telecaster and asked where I left the soundhole.. So my Jag might induce a stroke.

    Anyway, back to the shape. The Jaguar body shape wraps around nicely and I wear it pretty high. I find it very ergonomic. It also puts my right hand in a very comfortable position for picking and ditto for left hand fingering.

    YMMV, though. I have never gelled with Strats and find them awkward.
    Strats are bad and their players are bad also.

    The telecaster thing is funny. Some horn players get really weirded out by anything that isn’t an archtop.

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    Nothing more comfy seated.

    Standing, my tele is better.

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    Is the jazzmaster the guitar equivalent of elasticated trousers?

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    I think 24" scale is much more comfortable for me then body shape.
    I have a thing for short scale. 25.5" is overkill for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    Is the jazzmaster the guitar equivalent of elasticated trousers?
    Dress pants with a hidden drawstring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecena View Post
    I think 24" scale is much more comfortable for me then body shape.
    I have a thing for short scale. 25.5" is overkill for me.
    Jazzmasters are 25.5" scale.

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    Both old onces, Jaguar and Jazzmaster are 24".
    I'm sucker for 24.5" of PRS Single Cut 245.
    I know newer onces are 25.5".

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    Super comfortable, especially when chambered to within an inch of its life and built with a 24.75” scale. With TI 12 flats, this mahogany-bodied, maple-topped bastard thunks like an ES-175 with an overall sound that is part Tele, part ES-335.

    The jazzmaster Shape – is it really that comfortable?-img_8493-jpgThe jazzmaster Shape – is it really that comfortable?-img_8375-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecena View Post
    Both old onces, Jaguar and Jazzmaster are 24".
    I'm sucker for 24.5" of PRS Single Cut 245.
    I know newer onces are 25.5".
    Jazzmasters have always had a 25.5" scale.

    Danny W.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wzpgsr View Post
    Super comfortable, especially when chambered to within an inch of its life and built with a 24.75” scale. With TI 12 flats, this mahogany-bodied, maple-topped bastard thunks like an ES-175 with an overall sound that is part Tele, part ES-335.

    The jazzmaster Shape – is it really that comfortable?-img_8493-jpgThe jazzmaster Shape – is it really that comfortable?-img_8375-jpg
    Jazzmaster with a CC pickup? I never knew I wanted one. But I want it now and I want it in surf green.

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    Remind those horn players that a Jaguar was OK for Joe Pass, so they need to chill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzkritter View Post
    Remind those horn players that a Jaguar was OK for Joe Pass, so they need to chill.
    I'm not entirely sure they would know who Joe Pass was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    Jazzmaster with a CC pickup? I never knew I wanted one. But I want it now and I want it in surf green.
    I think it looks kinda awkward with the humbucker sized mismatch pickup, but I can’t bring myself to ruin the top by either routing more or installing a pick guard.

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    longtime jazzmaster fan and user..my fave fender...the fender jazzmaster pup doesn't need replacing...it's a great pickup..fenders reinvention of the p90...has magnet polepieces and wide bobbin for great interaction between strings and pup...great pup...warm, responsive, clear...

    also jm body was designed to be ergonomic (ala 50's)...it's a comfy guitar sitting or standing

    the other important factor is, on the originals, it has the 2 separate volume and tone circuits for just the neck pickup..a jazzers dream...can get 2 distinct tones/volumes from the neck pup at the flick of a switch...

    if you don't like the 25.5 scale (it always was on jm ^) you can try the same body but with a 24" scale-the jaguar!!

    jaguars good too, but has different narrower bobbin brighter focused pups



    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by wzpgsr View Post
    I think it looks kinda awkward with the humbucker sized mismatch pickup, but I can’t bring myself to ruin the top by either routing more or installing a pick guard.
    I think I'd want a single pickup or maybe a tele style bridge....

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    I think I'd want a single pickup or maybe a tele style bridge....
    DM me If you’re interested—I can put you in touch with the guy who built mine.

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    fmic/squier has just released this for summer 2020



    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by wzpgsr View Post
    DM me If you’re interested—I can put you in touch with the guy who built mine.
    Haha, don't have any money, and it's a one in one out policy at the moment. But thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    Stop. I don’t need excuses to covet a surf green jazz master.
    Please. Sea Foam Green. TOTALLY different.

    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    Is the jazzmaster the guitar equivalent of elasticated trousers?
    Please. Sansabelt trousers. Best in a lovely tan stretch gabardine, worn with white loafers.
    The Original Sansabelt |35,000 pair in stock|Waist Sizes 30-70 - SANSABELT.COM

    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    Strats are bad and their players are bad also....
    On this, we can agree. Horrible people playing horrible guitars. Perhaps a suitably Swiftian solution can be found for this outrage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wzpgsr View Post
    I think it looks kinda awkward with the humbucker sized mismatch pickup, but I can’t bring myself to ruin the top by either routing more or installing a pick guard.
    Nah ... it' looks fine .. everything is wonky looking on a jazzmaster to start off with .. adding mismatched pups only makes it all better.

    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    Jazzmaster with a CC pickup? I never knew I wanted one. But I want it now and I want it in surf green.
    I have surf green, but no CC-pup .. maybe it's an idea to drop a CC put into it? I'm tempted now.

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    Ask yourself not, could that be an idea, but instead, how could that not be an idea?

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    I worry a bit people changing the pickups in their jazzmaster haven't fully experienced jazzmaster pickups...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    I worry a bit people changing the pickups in their jazzmaster haven't fully experienced jazzmaster pickups...
    You’re making me want to pony up for the real deal.

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    duncan antiquity I & II's are fave jazzmaster pups on the offset guitar forum

    check them out if looking for great jm pups

    I is jazzy 50's...II is more glassy surfy 60's

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    Strats are bad and their players are bad also.

    The telecaster thing is funny. Some horn players get really weirded out by anything that isn’t an archtop.
    I was surprised to get that in 2020. To be fair, a punter came up to me afterwards and was very complementary about my guitar. So it balances out in the end.

    I hear Strat players don't tip and post inspirational quotes in social media. I do like Strat players like Richard Lloyd or Jeff Beck, tho.

    Quote Originally Posted by jazzkritter
    Remind those horn players that a Jaguar was OK for Joe Pass, so they need to chill.
    I was actually listening to his early albums like Catch Me and apparently he might have used it there? I recently learned to play his solo on Django from the For Django album (albeit significantly slower, we will see if I can get it up to speed) after obsessing about it for years.

    For me the solo is easier to play on the Jaguar than on my Telecaster. The Jag is more percussive and metallic than the Tele IMO, but I see that as a feature of the guitar than a downside. The short scale makes longer stretches easier. It´s also great for crosspicking, rhythm guitar and jangly stuff like John Mcgeoch´s playing in Siouxie and the Banshees or Johnny Marr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    I worry a bit people changing the pickups in their jazzmaster haven't fully experienced jazzmaster pickups...
    Maybe I should try one of these first: Jazzmaster Pickups, but a strat vibrato ... Looks cool, too.
    American Performer Jazzmaster | Fender

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    David Gilmour, Andy Timmons, John Frusciante, Eric Johnson, Dave Simpson ......

    Yeah .... They sound extremely boring. xD

    BTW that mahogany chambered jazzmaster looks stunning, hope it sounds stunning as well.

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    I've always liked this performance: Thor Madsen playing a Metheny-type blues on a JM:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecena View Post
    David Gilmour, Andy Timmons, John Frusciante, Eric Johnson, Dave Simpson ......

    Yeah .... They sound extremely boring. xD
    Your reply suggests that you are a Strat owner; and therefore BAD.

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    I'm just making fun of statement that Strat players are boring and bad. xD

    I like to trashtalk statements like that. XD

    It's nothing personal, just that statement is extremely stupid.

    So next time, chose your words more wisely ... XD

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    Love the Jazzcaster Tele/ Jazzmaster mashups. Wonderful idea of blending both into a very practical comfortable guitar. Don Grosh had tbis idea in variations called Electra Jets I believe, fantastic guitars!

    Trick for me is getting a light enough weight that doesn't hurt my left shoulder. I'm kind of in a dilemma building an Alder solid body Tele at the moment. The body I finished, is 4 lb 8 ounces, which you would think would be light? Turns out to be closer to high 7lb range and with a strap a bit over 8lbs.

    I'm trying to avoid semi hollow since I have that already with a G&L Asat Super already. Might have to go chambered body from Warmoth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77 View Post
    Stop. I don’t need excuses to covet a surf green jazz master.
    Of course you don't. What you may want is a Seafoam Green Jaguar. Mine's in Black (it's a refin) but it's ergo as can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecena View Post
    David Gilmour, Andy Timmons, John Frusciante, Eric Johnson, Dave Simpson ......

    Yeah .... They sound extremely boring. xD

    BTW that mahogany chambered jazzmaster looks stunning, hope it sounds stunning as well.
    Add to that, Blackmore, Hendrix, Clapton, Malmsteen, Beck... You may not like them, but they all had and unmistakable style that many thousands of players sent a lot of time copying.

    Oh, I always like the Jazzmaster, but all of the few I played had switches that snap, crackled and popped. In cereal I like it, but gits? Maybe not.
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    Have one of these on pre-order. MIJ, U shape neck, 25.5" scale, P90, and I almost always play seated so have high hopes. Always kinda sorta liked the Jazzmaster look but never wanted that odd tremolo set up. That and I'm a sucker for limba which makes it a bit less ubiquitous. Another month of waiting.

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    P.ayed a similar min model w a std Tele Bridge mahogany body. Heavy as all neck but loved the fat neck! Hopefully this will weigh less!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecena View Post
    I'm just making fun of statement that Strat players are boring and bad. xD
    I like to trashtalk statements like that. XD
    It's nothing personal, just that statement is extremely stupid.
    So next time, chose your words more wisely ... XD
    I cannot I speak for Christian, just myself, in my sincere apology for offending Strats and Strat people. Systemic stratism is finally being recognized for the problem it is. I suppose if I had been joking, that would be just as bad, possibly worse, for treating such a serious issue with levity. Let's get back to some more modest proposals, but, perhaps, of a non-gustatory nature. Perhaps start by dealing with Strat appropriation: filling in all the Strat-shaped swimming pools; banning cutting boards and coffee tables shaped like Strats; and then move on to more useful matters, such as removing non-strat guitar tracks from access, or, better yet, re-recording them all with Strat profiles (I knew the Kemper would come in handy for something!). Getting back to the OP, the jury is still out regarding whether making Strats with Jazzmaster-shaped bodies will be permitted by the Central Scrutinizer. Clearly, Telemasters are not a problem.
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    Danny W. is right...the Jazzmaster has always had a 25-1/2" scale. It's the Jaguar that has the short scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic View Post
    fmic/squier has just released this for summer 2020



    cheers
    Telemaster? Teleguar? Jagcaster? Jazzcaster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Sound View Post
    Telemaster? Teleguar? Jagcaster? Jazzcaster?
    well its a 25.5 scale so no jaguar reference ..jags are 24"...it officially being called

    Squier Paranormal Offset Telecaster

    399$ stateside

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Sound View Post
    Telemaster? Teleguar? Jagcaster? Jazzcaster?
    This is the very definition of a Telemaster.
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    Last edited by Hammertone; 06-22-2020 at 05:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mecena View Post
    I'm just making fun of statement that Strat players are boring and bad. xD

    I like to trashtalk statements like that. XD

    It's nothing personal, just that statement is extremely stupid.

    So next time, chose your words more wisely ... XD
    Maybe it was a joke.

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    Well, fuck it all, I'm getting one of those paranormal and slapping this Fender thinline neck I have in the basement on it, and that's gonna be my rock n roll machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont View Post
    Well, fuck it all, I'm getting one of those paranormal and slapping this Fender thinline neck I have in the basement on it, and that's gonna be my rock n roll machine.
    haha...bye bye sg!

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Sound View Post
    Telemaster? Teleguar? Jagcaster? Jazzcaster?
    I have a Squier Jagmaster (yes that is not a typo). It is a late 90s cheap guitar which sounds very good actually. I have a friend who has also has one who vastly prefers it to his actual Fender Jaguar. It's just simple and does the job..

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    I've had my eye on the Original 60's Jazzmaster in sunburst for a while now. There's been one at a local music store for months now. But then they came out with the "Ultra" model, simpler electronics and I like the neck better.
    Can't bring myself to spend $2K on one, though.

    Last fall, while traveling through the Hudson Valley, I stopped in a store that had a vintage Jazzmaster- i plugged into a vintage Twin Reverb....now THAT was tone. I don't usually care about that stuff, but i was impressed.