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  1. #51
    Oke, good thing i'm not hurrying into a new amp. I've missed a few developments.
    I checked out video's of this Nextone and i'm pretty amazed by the stuff i come across. There really seems no need to keep the bluescube on my list. I really like the fact that the amp offers different tube-settings. I really prefer that to amps that offer modelings of different amps. The choice for a delay/reverb and not a modulation section is a good choice to i.m.o.

    i don't see them used . . . . maybe increase the budget a little.
    Last edited by Marcel_A; 06-25-2020 at 03:22 PM.

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  3. #52
    Oké the 'final' list . . . .

    I reconsidered the OD-pedal dilemma. I came to the conclusion that opting out on a pedal was not such a good idea. There are a few great one-chanell amps that require one.

    1. D.V. Little Jazz
    2. Roland JC 22, (the 40 has some kind of distortion, wich is a pro, but is too expensive new). The chorus is delicious ofcourse, but addictive.
    3. Roland Blues Cube or even better the Boss Nextone
    4. Fender pro junior (although i am worried this one will sound to loud)
    5. Blackstar HT 5 mark ii
    6. Laney cub8 (although the cub 10 is going new for pretty much my budget)
    Last edited by Marcel_A; 06-28-2020 at 04:33 AM.

  4. #53

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    Again I can only suggest the Laney cub8. Meanwhile I‘ve swapped the stock tubes, the speaker for the Warehouse G8C and the stock baffle for a floating lightweight plywood baffle (and the grillcloth, but that’s just cosmetics). The result is fantastic. This little amp sounds simply amazing, honestly at least in the same tonal quality range like my vintage Silverface Champ. Wonderful 6V6 smokey vintage american cleans!
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    With my Thinline it‘s easy to get that Julian Lage tone at reasonable levels (unfortunately not his virtuosity ). The G8C sounds big like a 10“ speaker. Again- this amp is one of my best discoveries!

  5. #54
    i forgot about the laney. It's should have been on the list. Affordable and simple!

  6. #55

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A View Post
    i forgot about the laney. It's should have been on the list. Affordable and simple!
    Buy one 2nd hand, swap tubes and speaker and you‘re done. All you need more is a reverb pedal!

  7. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff
    Buy one 2nd hand, swap tubes and speaker and you‘re done. All you need more is a reverb pedal!
    A question: how loud is the cub8? i'm worried that tube-amps get too loud too easy and since the only one i can buy right now is the cubsuper10. That one is 10 watt. What's your guess? Too loud or acceptable at practicing levels?

  8. #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A
    A question: how loud is the cub8? i'm worried that tube-amps get too loud too easy and since the only one i can buy right now is the cubsuper10. That one is 10 watt. What's your guess? Too loud or acceptable at practicing levels?
    Not too loud, sounds darn good at low volumes (but can get loud if you want to!). Can‘t speak for the cub10, for sure a different beast.

  9. #58

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    I’ve ended up using my little Roland mobile Cube which sounds good for practice and teaching.

    i also really like my BAM200 on all fronts. I plug into and H&K 10” cab, but a TOOB is on its way this week

  10. #59

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    Our own Jeff Matz has extolled the virtues of the little Microcube.... he uses the Brit Combo (AC30) model and I've been doing the same since he talked about it... it works really well, and bonus: it can run on batteries so I can take it out on the patio or to the fire pit if I want.

    Roland Microcube Tele Jazz

    from Mr. Beaumont: works great!!!

    Tele neck of course
    VOX model, gain around 9:00
    Tone around 10:30

    that’s it! The mids signature of the Vox lends itself towards the “hollower sound” of an archtop.

    Nicely done, Mr. Beaumont!!

  11. #60
    i don't get the enormous diference in price comparing Laney and Fender. A Supercub 10 is available for €350 new, while a Fender Blues Junior is €300 more expensive! (for a more fair comparison: de Cub12 is also €350).

    trouble is for convenience i'd like a SS amp, but for some 'tones' i'd really like a tube-amp.
    Last edited by Marcel_A; 06-28-2020 at 12:26 PM.

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    Again- only you know what you want. If you are looking for bedroom levels every tube amp over 5 watts is too loud. You always need to tinker the tubes with the volume knob
    The Blues Junior is a loud (!) amp with everything but Fenderycleans due to the EL84 tubes. By the way, it’s PCB board is known for it‘s more or less lousy construction.
    The cub 10 and of course cub 12 are also too loud for your needs.

    I‘ve got no suggestion for a solid state or digital amp since I‘m a nerd for tube tones.

  13. #62
    Well the cub12 has a <1 watt input. That's a plus for that amp.
    But you're probably right about the 5 watt limit.

  14. #63

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    ^ Attenuation is just a compromise. Again, you need some heat in the tubes and the speaker should move some air!

  15. #64
    Another question:
    Has anyone any experience with a 1 watt amp?

  16. #65

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A View Post
    Another question:
    Has anyone any experience with a 1 watt amp?
    I have a Blackheart Killer Ant head, it's a single 12AX7 tube amp- actually less than 1 Watt. Very nice Marshall-like sounds when overdriven and appropriate for home volumes. The clean sound is nice when played through a high sensitivity speaker ( e.g Eminence Wizard or Cannabis Rex) or when the environment is very quiet.

  17. #66

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    Quote Originally Posted by medblues View Post
    I have a Blackheart Killer Ant head, it's a single 12AX7 tube amp- actually less than 1 Watt. Very nice Marshall-like sounds when overdriven and appropriate for home volumes. The clean sound is nice when played through a high sensitivity speaker ( e.g Eminence Wizard or Cannabis Rex) or when the environment is very quiet.
    the Killer Ant is great!
    i had one that I modified by adding a switch to lift the tone stack and make it a little cleaner, I also swapped in a lower gain preamp tube and it made it surprisingly versatile

  18. #67
    I never ever considered a vox amp, but the AC4 seems like a nice one?


  19. #68

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    Have you considered a small solid-state amp like the 44 Magnum or Quilter’s Microblock 45 / Interblock 45? The second video by JayLeonardJ is the reason I bought mine. It really keeps the same tone no matter what volume you use, plus line out/headphone out option.




  20. #69
    No, didn't consider it. I did consider this one:

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  21. #70

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    Not too overwhelm, but I love small amps and I have owned in the past year:

    DV Little Jazz
    Henriksen Bud
    Harmony 8418 reissue
    Fender 57 Custom Champ
    ZT lunchbox jr

    the Bud is great, and can do quiet very well

    the DV Jazz was also really nice, not as many tonal options as the Bud, but that is part of what I liked about it. I use to have it sitting on my nightstand for jamming while sitting in bed watching Netflix

    Harmony 8418 - very quiet, very underrated - definitely has more character than any of the others. It does a gentle octal grind at low volumes (bedroom level) but does not get too crazy. Truly PTP wiring, and a nice Italian Jensen. Sounds most “Tubey”

    Fender 57 custom champ - smaller in size and wattage than a pro jr. - even though champs tend to be though of as distortion machines, this variant with the 12ay7 does not break up easily/or at bedroom volumes. I was surprised at how loud and clean it was, but it had noticeably less character than the 8418

    ZT lunchbox is pretty nice for the size, the tones are round and pleasing, but I found that it did not hold together with hunbuckers that well

    one last suggestion worth checking out would be the Valvetrain 205C - it’s a Zzounds/AMS special version of a 5f2 Princeton

    out of all, my favorites were also the cheapest

    Harmony 8418
    DV Mark

    both are no frills, good sounding small amps - and out of all of them these are the ones I would gladly purchase at full price again

    as always ymmv

  22. #71
    The DV LJ is first on my list.
    Some of the amps you mention don't seem to be available in holland. Or at least hard.
    Right now i think it's between the little jazz, the laney cub10 (8 doesn't seem to be available) or the vox ac4. I'm looking for a place i can try at least two of them. That's not that easy.

  23. #72

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    If you do try, or buy, the Little Jazz, be aware that because of the rear port it's very much affected by position, both horizontal and vertical. Flat on the floor it has a lot of bass, but that can be fixed by turning down the bass control. Moving it just a few inches, maybe just a couple, nearer to or further from a wall can give a large difference in tone. Elevating it also changes the tone, and removes a lot of the bass. Fortunately the tone controls are very effective, and moving them just a few degrees can have much effect. Move it around and listen before you reject it, and don't be afraid to adjust the tone controls. I usually have it set near flat, but with different guitars I may need to make some adjustments.

  24. #73

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell
    If you do try, or buy, the Little Jazz, be aware that because of the rear port it's very much affected by position, both horizontal and vertical. Flat on the floor it has a lot of bass, but that can be fixed by turning down the bass control. Moving it just a few inches, maybe just a couple, nearer to or further from a wall can give a large difference in tone. Elevating it also changes the tone, and removes a lot of the bass. Fortunately the tone controls are very effective, and moving them just a few degrees can have much effect. Move it around and listen before you reject it, and don't be afraid to adjust the tone controls. I usually have it set near flat, but with different guitars I may need to make some adjustments.
    I am another fan of the LJ. My settings are bass all the way off, or close. Middle at noon. Treble slightly below noon. I like it flat on the floor. I agree with sgosnell though about the sensitivity of the amp to position with respect to floor and wall.

    I would add that it sounds fine played quietly at home, and it sounds good played loud enough for a big band (with nobody mic'ed).

    It doesn't sound all that different my vintage Reverberocket. I think the LJ has a little better definition on chords, so the Reverberocket now sits in a closet.

    It usually sells for about $360, but I have seen it for less during a sale. I think it's a great value.

  25. #74
    Oke, this went fast all of a sudden. It turned out a shop nearby had a Laney Cub8 on stock. I picked it up for €170,-.
    Nice little amp and well within my budget. Trouble of course is i need an OD at one point.

    @ Stefan, thanks for the suggestion! Any suggestions how to set it up? I'm a bit confused by all those knobs . . .
    Maybe a suggestion on an OD-pedal? I just need an edge.
    Last edited by Marcel_A; 07-04-2020 at 01:14 PM.

  26. #75

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A
    Oke, this went fast all of a sudden. It turned out a shop nearby had a Laney Cub8 on stock. I picked it up for €170,-.
    Nice little amp and well within my budget. Trouble of course is i need an OD at one point.

    @ Stefan, thanks for the suggestion! Any suggestions how to set it up? I'm a bit confused by all those knobs . . .
    Maybe a suggestion on an OD-pedal? I just need an edge.
    Good decision, congrats!
    I hope you like this little amp- now swap the Ruby tubes for quality tubes (the Tungsol 12AX7 sounds perfect in this amp) and get a Warehouse G8C. You‘ll be surprised!
    I don‘t use an overdrive pedal at the moment (playing the Laney at 7-8/ low input is exactly what I love with my Thinline Telly), just a HOF for some reverb goodness. But I‘ve made good experiences with the Mad Professor Sweet Honey, very nice and natural overdrive. The morning Glory is also a great OD pedal.

  27. #76
    About the setting of the volume-knob: i noticed it's a very bright amp. If the volume is in the range of 0 to 7, the tone is good at around 3 - 5, but if i turn the volume beyond 8 an go pretty much all out (i never did that with an amp, funny these low wattage amps) the tone gets really dark and the tone needs to be around 7 or 8 in order to sound good.
    Thanks for the od suggestions.

    What does the tube-swap do for the sound?

  28. #77

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A View Post
    About the setting of the volume-knob: i noticed it's a very bright amp. If the volume is in the range of 0 to 7, the tone is good at around 3 - 5, but if i turn the volume beyond 8 an go pretty much all out (i never did that with an amp, funny these low wattage amps) the tone gets really dark and the tone needs to be around 7 or 8 in order to sound good.
    Thanks for the od suggestions.

    What does the tube-swap do for the sound?
    Depends on the tubes.
    More gain? Earlier breakup? More headroom? Rule of thumb: a 12AX7 is best bet if you want maximum power and if you like to play your guitar at the sweet spot of the amp. A 5751 got reduced power but gives you a bit more transparency and a handful more headroom.

    Yup, the cub is a bright amp. Choose the LO-input (with a singlecoil) and you‘ll get less brightness. Volume at 6-7 and it‘s a wonderful balanced vintage american tone (tone knob at 3-4) with superb dynamics (clean but gritty if you dig in). Wonderful overtones.

    I put a Tungsol 12AX7 in V1, a warm yet transparent, solid and high quality tube with a touch less brightness.
    Electro Harmonix 6V6, but I guess a NOS 6V6 is even better.
    Very important is the speaker swap. That Celestion is a more or less linear sounding, british colored speaker. The Warehouse G8C is a high efficient speaker that sounds like a 10“, very woody basses and silky highs, just like an old Jensen. That speaker is a bargain for small 39€!

    As said above, I‘ve also swapped the baffle for a real floating plywood baffle so it vibrates in harmony with the speaker at higher volumes. Very nice.

    More finetuning: I‘ve also shielded the top of the cab and use the external speaker output with a good cable and Switchcraft plug instead of the tiny internal cable.

  29. #78
    I’ll try it out as it is. If i like it i keep it, if i don’t i buy something else. If a little jazz comes along i’ll give that a try. Not sure i’m going to spent money on the Laney.

  30. #79

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A View Post
    I’ll try it out as it is. If i like it i keep it, if i don’t i buy something else. If a little jazz comes along i’ll give that a try. Not sure i’m going to spent money on the Laney.
    Those mods are cheap but very efficient. 9 of 10 amps got cheap stock tubes, for example.
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    I couldn‘t be happier.
    Boutique Champ-Tone for next to nothing.

  31. #80
    Well, if i decide to stick to the Laney, maybe i'll check out some upgrades. Don't think the warehouse speakers are available in Holland.
    About the OD: i don't want to upset my wife to much, so i'll be going dirt cheap: thinking about a mooer juicer or someting like that.

  32. #81

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A View Post
    Well, if i decide to stick to the Laney, maybe i'll check out some upgrades. Don't think the warehouse speakers are available in Holland.
    About the OD: i don't want to upset my wife to much, so i'll be going dirt cheap: thinking about a mooer juicer or someting like that.
    You can get Warehouse speakers here in germany:

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  33. #82

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A
    Well, if i decide to stick to the Laney, maybe i'll check out some upgrades. Don't think the warehouse speakers are available in Holland.
    About the OD: i don't want to upset my wife to much, so i'll be going dirt cheap: thinking about a mooer juicer or someting like that.
    For overdrive (as opposed to distortion) the Mooer is a good budget pedal and not expensive. If you want quality OD, then maybe look at the Wampler Tumnus (not the V2 Deluxe, but the one with 3 controls - volume, gain and tone); for me it's the nearest you'll get to a klon without spending a fortune.....

  34. #83

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff
    Good decision, congrats!
    I hope you like this little amp- now swap the Ruby tubes for quality tubes (the Tungsol 12AX7 sounds perfect in this amp) and get a Warehouse G8C. You‘ll be surprised!
    .
    Ruby makes quality tubes, some boutique tube amp builders use them OEM. In general, a tube is a tube.... some do have more or less noise than others, but difference between brands are subtle, tonally. Some people enjoy differentiating the subtle differences (I used to), some of us just get on with it and play. But there's nothing wrong with Ruby tubes... but the Tungsol IS my favorite current-production 12AX7.

  35. #84
    If i change anything, it would be the speaker first.

  36. #85

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruger9
    Ruby makes quality tubes, some boutique tube amp builders use them OEM. In general, a tube is a tube.... some do have more or less noise than others, but difference between brands are subtle, tonally. Some people enjoy differentiating the subtle differences (I used to), some of us just get on with it and play. But there's nothing wrong with Ruby tubes... but the Tungsol IS my favorite current-production 12AX7.
    Hi to another Gretsch talker !

    The Ruby in my cub dies after a week- was my first dead preamp tube...Maybe I‘m corksniffing but (I guess) I‘m hearing more than subtle differences from tube to tube, dunno. Concerning the Tungsol I totally agree, it‘s a very warm, 3-D sounding tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan Eff
    Hi to another Gretsch talker !

    The Ruby in my cub dies after a week- was my first dead preamp tube...Maybe I‘m corksniffing but (I guess) I‘m hearing more than subtle differences from tube to tube, dunno. Concerning the Tungsol I totally agree, it‘s a very warm, 3-D sounding tube.
    I've had bad tubes from all brands- JJ, EHX, Sovtek, Ruby, etc.... it happens. Ruby aren't "blanket" bad. Nothing wrong with having favorites tho. Lately, for power tubes, I've been preferring TADs (which are just rebranded... but highly tested... tubes from other brands mentioned)

  38. #87

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    A 12AY7 will also clean up the headroom, and the Tung-Sol preamp tubes will definitely help with the brightness. Might be worth considering if you’re going to use it as a pedal platform. They aren’t expensive so trying both might be worth your time, especially if you are ordering, since you can combine shipping.

  39. #88
    Right now i'm not going to 'upgrade' anything on this amp.
    I've been playing it for a couple of hours and it is fine as it is. It really comes alive when the guitar volume is at full and the amp at 7 or 8. But since that is too loud . . . So spending money won't improve that is my guess.

  40. #89
    Anyone experience with a soul food into a pretty much clean amp?

  41. #90

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A
    Anyone experience with a soul food into a pretty much clean amp?
    I saw Anthony Palmer (Chicago blues guitarist) do that. He sounded great.

  42. #91
    Well, the laney is not what i'm looking for. What really annoys me is the lack of proper equalizition. The ton-knob is a joke. It's either off, or somewhere in the middle (witch sounds 'normal') or wide open (which is an ugly sound). There is no way to adjust my tone in a good way.

    Tomorrow i'm checking out a little jazz. I can pick it for a nice price used.

  43. #92

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A
    Well, the laney is not what i'm looking for. What really annoys me is the lack of proper equalizition. The ton-knob is a joke. It's either off, or somewhere in the middle (witch sounds 'normal') or wide open (which is an ugly sound). There is no way to adjust my tone in a good way.

    Tomorrow i'm checking out a little jazz. I can pick it for a nice price used.
    The tone knob on the Laney works similar like the tone knobs on vintage amps- you adjust the "voicing".
    On class A tube amps the equalization works in interaction with the different inputs and, as you've already noticed, with the volume of the amp. It's not a bug (or a joke), it's a feature. That's why small class A amps are so superbly dynamic, responsive and honest.
    And you've got knobs on your guitar...

  44. #93
    @stefan
    You are probably right. I don’t know. It’s a joke to me. Anyway: the Laney is not for me.

  45. #94
    If you're looking for a nice inexpensive overdrive/distortion pedal I'd suggest this. I used one briefly a few years ago and it was one of the best O.D. pedals I've ever used. Similar to the BOSS Blues Driver with more versatility at half the price. I have no idea if they are still made any more. Of course tone is subjective and this may not be for you.
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  46. #95
    Right now i have a Soul food. Not compatible with the Laney. The thing is, the soul food hardly colours the sound, but once i dial in drive the laney turns to mush.

  47. #96
    Picked the dv mark little jazz up today and i am very happy with it. Nice clean sound. Good EQ and a nice reverb.
    I'm using the soul food for OD. This is ok, but i'm fairly new to both the amp and the pedal, so we'll see.

  48. #97
    What a great little amp the dv mark is! I'm not sure what is is, but it is a real pleasure to play it. One thing is for sure, it sounds very good on low volumes.
    Thanks to all those who suggested it to me.

  49. #98
    After playing a while . . .
    The laney cub 8 is not a good amp. The Orange Crush 20 is a better deal on all fronts. The laney just sounds bad. Boxy and a very nasty tone. Not sure why i didn't notice that in the store . . .
    The little jazz is by far the best of the three when it comes to a clean tone. Its size is small. It has a reverb (which the other two don't have). The only thing is it doesn't have an OD. This is where i thought a pedal would help, but it's not that easy. Getting a good sound from an OD-pedal and a clean amp is not that simple.
    So i switched to the Orange Crush for OD and that produces a more usable od than the LJ with the soul food. The only thing i like soul food for is as a boost with a small touch of drive.

    For now the Orange crush stays for those moments i'd like to 'rock'.
    Last edited by Marcel_A; 07-17-2020 at 08:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel_A View Post
    After playing a while . . .
    The laney cub 8 is not a good amp. The Orange Crush 20 is a better deal on all fronts. The laney sounds just bad. Boxy and a very nasty tone. Not sure why i didn't notice that in the store . . .
    Sorry, that’s completely BS.
    Maybe you don‘t like champ-like tones (that’s what you get from the cub8), okay, but the Laney is a solid, real good sounding 5 watter that sounds amazing with a little modding.

  51. #100
    Stefan,

    Not to step on your toes, but i do think it is a bad amp. If someone is to spend money on a cheap amp, i would recommend all sorts of small SS amplifiers, but not this laney.
    Maybe it sounds good after a change of tubes and a different speaker. Who knows? Who cares, would be my question. I'm not throwing money at an amp i am not happy with.