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    Hi there, and sorry to bother you with a new video. I am trying to get a Polytonish sound with Eq, some Saturation and Reverb.
    I did some 6 Db Boost on the 350hz with a wide Q, low cut, and a gentel 6 db High cut.
    I know the Gibson archtop are nothing special acusticly but the tone is unexplainable fat. Superfat i would say.
    Strings are Fender Roundwounds 0.12. Recorded through an Audient Soundboard.
    Hope you enjoy it.


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    Last edited by Gustavo Eiriz; 05-24-2020 at 09:36 PM.

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    Gustavo,
    You posted the perfect video, at the perfect time, for me.
    That is exactly the sound I’d like to have to compliment the guitars I have. So I thank you for that.
    Outstanding playing. Gorgeous video and the sound, like I said, it is perfecto!
    I loved that video. I really did. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
    Thank you
    Joe DeNisco

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    Wow-That's amazing!

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    Beautiful playing and tone. I would never have guessed that was an L-5.

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    Lovely, just lovely. Thanks for posting!

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    ¡Gracias por compartir, Che! Muy bien hecho.

    I have the same guitar but cannot play as lovely as you. Thank you for sharing your talent with us!

    Roli

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    A few comments ... first the good news: I love it. It sounds great. The bad news: it doesn't sound at all like a polytone and it doesn't sound fat. But it does sound great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
    A few comments ... first the good news: I love it. It sounds great. The bad news: it doesn;'t sound at all like a polytone and it doesn't sound fat. But it does sound great.
    Thanks Everyone! Jim thanks for the constructive critic. Everytime i travel and connect my guitar to a minibrute I feel like a heavenly fat tone, but sadly in here we dont have many polytones and i am trying to replicate what i seen in youtube videos by using eq and some saturation. What would you describe as a fatter sound? More tube type saturation? I didnt use any tube saturation plugin.
    Thanks

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    I really resent my cheap computer speakers at times like this, because while I can hear the subtle drive you're reaching for and getting, these speakers are fizzy as hell and no way represent what you were hearing in the room as you played, I'm sure. Beautiful playing all the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gustavo Eiriz
    Thanks Everyone! Jim thanks for the constructive critic. Everytime i travel and connect my guitar to a minibrute I feel like a heavenly fat tone, but sadly in here we dont have many polytones and i am trying to replicate what i seen in youtube videos by using eq and some saturation. What would you describe as a fatter sound? More tube type saturation? I didnt use any tube saturation plugin.
    Thanks

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    I think it's great the way it is. Fat and dark can also get muddy and indistinct. What I hear is a spectacularly good direct sound: clear, crisp, and articulate but not at all sterile. My wife even came in from the other room to listen.
    Last edited by Jim Soloway; 05-25-2020 at 10:09 AM.

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    I think Jim is spot on in his assessment-great playing & tone, but not a Polytone sound. This video is more reminiscent of a Polytone to my ears, although the gentleman in not playing an L5:

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    Quote Originally Posted by helios
    I think Jim is spot on in his assessment-great playing & tone, but not a Polytone sound. This video is more reminiscent of a Polytone to my ears, although the gentleman in not playing an L5:
    Thank you Helios, i used this video specially and someothers to mimic the sound, but it is certainly very difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gustavo Eiriz
    Thank you Helios, i used this video specially and someothers to mimic the sound, but it is certainly very difficult.

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    I believe we're better off using the sound of others to inspire rather than copy. Ultimately the best sound for any guitarist is the sound that fits their playing. What you've produced in this video fits your playing very well ... and your playing is first rate,

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    Great playing and to my ears, that is "superfat" tone.

    That guitar is in the right hands.

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    Absolutely beautiful playing on my favorite guitar. Bravo !
    Very high quality video too.

    All you guys that know how to make these great videos is always a big treat. Thank you.

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    I just finished watching it again from beginning to end. That really is fantastic. Everything about just works perfectly: the guitar, the arrangement, the playing, the chord selection and voicings. All of it.

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    Gustavo,
    Most importantly, to me the sound and affect that you have articulated is delightful. It's clean and executed without flaw. I'm not bothered by the fact that I cannot distinguish a Polytone emulation effect. You have captured a sound from an L5 Wesmo that is beautiful and unique, and I enjoyed very much.
    Thank you,
    Steve

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    Gustavo, I've posted this on Facebook. You're getting some very interesting new fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus
    I really resent my cheap computer speakers at times like this, because while I can hear the subtle drive you're reaching for and getting, these speakers are fizzy as hell and no way represent what you were hearing in the room as you played, I'm sure. Beautiful playing all the same.
    Agreed, I do not like the reproduction via my Computer's built -in speakers . If it is within your means , I suggest a Bose Bluetooth Speaker
    will transform the sound via your Computer to a much more acceptable one.

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    Polytones have a boxy quality to the sound that your tone does not have. I don't think that is something lacking from your tone, as I often find that boxiness just a little unpleasant when I hear it in my sound. This, on the other hand, is very pure and open; I like the DI sound in general and I really enjoyed this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cunamara
    Polytones have a boxy quality to the sound that your tone does not have. I don't think that is something lacking from your tone, as I often find that boxiness just a little unpleasant when I hear it in my sound. This, on the other hand, is very pure and open; I like the DI sound in general and I really enjoyed this.
    WARNING: Polytone rant ahead!

    Very well said, Cunamara. I don’t understand the fascination with the Polytone sound. They should have named the company Monotone. The Polytones I have owned and gigged with made better bass amps than guitar amps. Dull and lifeless for guitar (for me). After gigging with a Mini Brute IV for 2 years, I brought out my old BF Super Reverb for a gig and realized all that time my coveted Polytone had sucked. I had been so proud to wear the Polytone badge of legit jazzness by sporting my legendary MiniBrutes at my gigs. Using a better amp really opened my eyes to my immaturity in falling for the “if you have the coveted gear, you’ll sound better” myth. Good riddance to my nasally, muffled, rattling controls, overhyped MB II and MB IV. May they rest in pieces in the leaking capacitor, hot glue gun, fiberglass insulation, concentric controls, buzzing switches graveyard they deserve. Thanks for indulging me. Rant complete.

    Have a wonderful day everyone.
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    Hahaa Roli. That was a good read.
    JD

    Gustavo, Dont change a thing. Your sound is a by-product of your playing and your specific equipment. And you have achieved a sound that in my opinion is wonderful. Sound is subject to debate. Mainly because not everyone shares the same ears and the same brain. But when this set of ears/brain listens to your recording, I think its perfect.
    All the best to you. JD

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    Thanks everyone, i know what you mean... I am glad, that after researching for much time i reached a sound that i like, independently of the music i am playing. Polytone might be inspiring to play but not to hear... When i monitor myself playing it home using this mixing chain that i applied here the sound is dull to me, but when i hear myself recorded i like it.
    Anyway, we jazz guitar players dislike harshness in tone, but we dont like muddiness. Not a simple challenge..

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    Take what you just did, (playing and all) and repeat it over and over.
    Dont change a thing. It is fantastic.
    JD

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    Totally awesome piece of playing and sound!! It's just not fair ! you make it look sooooo easy !!! Don't think I could achieve that degree of finesse ever but it is great to hear the quality of playing one would like to aspire to. It gives us lesser mortals a target to aim for and the enjoyment is in the trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max405
    Take what you just did, (playing and all) and repeat it over and over.
    Dont change a thing. It is fantastic.
    JD

    Thank you Joe... I didnt change even the shirt in here! Haha.
    This is a very virtuoso showpiece, it has a very difficult fingerpicking piece at the end of the song, is a tradition in this style of music: the bandoneon players of the orchestra played always a virtuoso 16th notes to show ability and earn the applause of the audience.
    This piece is less gentle and romantic. Nevertheless i used the thumb in Wes style in the middle of the piece for the block chords, a concept taken out of jazz music but used here in the music of my country.
    Hope you enjoy it.


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    Magnificent!
    Extraordinary playing.
    And the Guitar is absolutely 100% perfect.
    I didn't really need to see and hear the L5Wes doing what your video demonstrates to know I will be getting another L5 in due time, but your video absolutely sealed the deal. 100%. The sound I crave. And I absolutely know what a joy that guitar is to play.
    Great job Gustavo.
    Joe D

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    Wow! What a player! Good stuff!

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    Damn, your playing is so dog gone beautiful Gustavo! Keep 'em coming!

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    Hello Gustavo, I really dig your tone and sublime playing. What is your signal chain? You mentioned DI-ed into the Audient soundboard? Which Audient, if I may ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky
    Hello Gustavo, I really dig your tone and sublime playing. What is your signal chain? You mentioned DI-ed into the Audient soundboard? Which Audient, if I may ask?
    Thanks everyone. Joe D: i want to hear how a L-5 Wesmo reacts to your beatiful tone.
    Jabberwocky: my chain is L-5 (tone and volume at 10) Di to Audient ID44 recorded in Reaper. I used Fabfilter ProQ3, JS-Saturation (a reaper native effect), Fabfilter Pro-R.
    The Wesmo is a VERY uneven guitar, the notes near the 12th frets sounds too loud and if you hit them with your thumb they need volume automation. But the tone is just too sweet.
    About the EQ i wrote a post about finding the right curve for a good tone, but no one answered. To me it needs an strong low cut, and a wide 6 db boost at 350hz, you might high cut or not, with such a curve you are there almost without getting muddy. The saturation glues the sound and the reverb is personal. The rest is the fingers.
    Hope it helps.

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