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For the love of god, can someone tell me why I don't like these? I'm disinterested in all that vintage / historial crap, I just like good guitars and good sounds. I don't care about tube amps, I use a digital modeler. When I was having new pickups wound, I could not care less about the level of PAF authenticity, just give me a nice and midrangey humbucker... Why don't I like the ergonomic guitars?!
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04-20-2020 07:03 PM
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I like all the gears and the glowing lights. Very steampunk!
Originally Posted by rob taft
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Because... Originally Posted by mr quick
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The Original 6 look very good imho. Look even better in red. The other one look like a melted tele, and not in an appealing way.
I've been eyeing the O6 because my back want me to find a lightweight guitar. AFAIK they sound good and it's a well thought out instrument. I'm not sure I'd be onboard with that neckLast edited by Average Joe; 04-25-2020 at 07:18 AM.
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Between those two, I much prefer the first one.
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I would go with the dual humbucker one. The Tele style looks a bit goofy/ ironic.
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Hi Jim,
Greetings from Portland. I just bought a standard Strandberg with S, S, H. So far I like it a lot.
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I find that the headless guitar is good for playing seated, especially if you like the neck in a higher position.
Works for me.
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How do you fret with your left hand thumb with that technique? Originally Posted by GuyBoden
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i had the top one for a week. It was the chambered version. I liked the guitar in general but the pickups were overly hot, i didn't like the pickup placement with the 24 frets and it was neck heavy when standing. That seemed to violate the ergo moniker for me so I returned it.
If I were buying a headless guitar today, I would get a forshage.
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You don't. I can't remember the last time I fretted a string with my left thumb. Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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oh, another thing I was going to mention on the strandberg is that the asymetrical neck carve I found very uncomfortable
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Me too. Otherwise they look a bit like a solution for a problem I've yet to have. But I would like to try one just out of curiosity. I'd like to know what the neck shape and fanned frets do. Originally Posted by christianm77
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This headless body design is great for my seated playing position. The Endura type neck does make you play in a classical style with the thumb behind the middle of the neck. The solid body model is definitely not neck heavy, I don't know about the chambered. The pickups can be changed, I have 7K PAF Zebra's in my headless and Jazz humbuckers in my other headless.
It works great for me and that's what matters.
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Do they make a neck with fewer than 24 frets? I want the neck pup at that spot.
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Doesn't this only work if you play only open strings/chords? Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
When you fret a note I'd imagine that the pickup position to string vibration moves also.
I'm not sure of the physics.
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Originally Posted by jzucker
Here's one for you Jack, it definitely won't be neck heavy with that 8 string bridge, they build a 6 string:
Normal neck profile:
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No, I'm not one of those guitar players who think having the pickup at an open string node point gives it mystical powers, I just like the sweet sound of a neck pickup over the bridge pup, and when you have 24 frets, that causes the neck pickup to be moved the wrong way! That part of my guitar neck is dusty anyway -- I don't need 24 frets. Originally Posted by GuyBoden
Last edited by BigDaddyLoveHandles; 10-20-2020 at 12:25 PM.
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These Aristides headless guitars from Holland are very interesting, they have a composite body/neck material called magically "Arium".
A big claim. "the result is an instrument in which sound is able to travel uninhibited in 3 dimensions, for the ultimate performance in resonance, sustain, clarity, and articulation."
Production process | Aristides Instruments
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I've always liked what they've done at Aristides. My only problem with them is that their prices are beyond my budget. Originally Posted by GuyBoden
These Aristides headless guitars from Holland are very interesting, they have a composite body/neck material called magically "Arium".
A big claim. "the result is an instrument in which sound is able to travel uninhibited in 3 dimensions, for the ultimate performance in resonance, sustain, clarity, and articulation."
Production process | Aristides Instruments
History | Aristides Instruments
Aristides Instruments | Aristides Instruments
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My issue with most of the new designs including the Parker Fly, is they displace the neck pickup from the 22nd fret. For me that is the Sweet Spot for Jazz tone.
Also they seem more designed to be a neutral tonality,to take advantage of processing with eq and other effects. Wonderful if your into that Allan Holdsworth type of tone!
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I made my own, as a travel guitar. The bridge is a cheapie Chinese made one but it works.
the neck pickup is an SD P-Rails
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Now that's a cool guitar! Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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No, that's not the case. It's a simply matter of the pickup position relative to the note. No matter what fret you are playing on, the pickup position that's closest to the fretted note will yield the warmer sound. And I've owned enough 24 fret guitars to know that they have a bright, nasallyness that I don't care for. If you think carefully you'll understand that your hypothesis doesn't make sense. Otherwise, a bridge and neck pickup would sound identical on everything but the open string. Originally Posted by GuyBoden
There is also the physics of more neck mass which I also firmly believe in - having owned a half dozen headless guitars. I get the ergo thing and there was a point where my back and neck were so bad that I had to play sitting 100% of the time and wanted the weight savings but ironically my ash tele weighs less than the carvin headless guitars I owned (5.9lbs)! When I had the pawar privateer body the guitar was something like 5.4lbs!
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Saul Koll. Originally Posted by DRS
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Would headless guitar + a variant of The Fat Finger be a possible solution to this? Originally Posted by jzucker
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Excellent explanation, many thanks Jack. Originally Posted by jzucker
The pickup is further away on from the bridge on the 22 fret guitar, so the string has a longer vibration.
It's a very interesting subject, an intriguing phenomenon.Last edited by GuyBoden; 10-23-2020 at 08:02 AM.
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Someone on another forum posted this:
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Also, few of the iconic solid body guitars (Teles, Strats, LPs, SGs) have variations with 24 frets. Players aren't clamouring for it.
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The 24 fret, so called SuperStrats have been very popular in the modern era, but I know what you mean. Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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Yeah, I didn't turn quite the right phrase. They many have 24 fret submodels, but the percentage of total models sold with 24 frets is small. Originally Posted by GuyBoden
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It's interesting to go thru this discussion since I have the "tele" version with me right now, but I'm trying to sell it to get the first 2-hum version.
The reason is simple, the tele neck pocket has only the routing for a tele neck. I can set the tone knob to about 1/3 to get a decent warm tone with some additional amp tweaking, but there's no way to get rid of that "twang" especially when picking hard.
But I still want to stick to the strandberg family because ergonomically it's superb. The "tele" one gets a lot of use purely because of that reason.
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I am not particularly fond of the looks but if it is as good as promised ergonomically I am definitely interested. Originally Posted by jjk1407
How does it feel to switch between a Standberg and a regular Fender design? Like, is there anything you cannot play anymore on standard axe once you are used to a Strandberg?
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To me it's <10min adjustment time to switch between. The thing gives me most trouble is the fanned frets, especially on the higher positions. Countless times when I thought I'm going to the 12th but landed on the 13th on Strandberg... Originally Posted by Half-trick pony
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Thanks for your reply. One thing that came to my mind looking at picture of people playing Strandbergs is that they mostly have their right hands close to the bridge. When playing Jazz I tend to pick right above the neck PU. Does that work without feeling weird or lopsided?
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I think it's more about individual's habit. My problem is I always pick right above the neck PU
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That just takes me back to the fact that these are all 24 fret necks, so that the neck pup is closer to the bridge. I was hoping the Tele-style model would not have a 24 fret neck, but nope Originally Posted by jjk1407
I think it's more about individual's habit. My problem is I always pick right above the neck PU
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Yup... I barely go higher than the 17th, so 18-20 is already a buffer for me, then for 20-24 I guess it's the buffer for the buffer... This is probably the only thing I don't like about Strandberg's design.
2 Strandberg Originals are on their way to my home, 6 and 7 strings. Will have a fun shootout time next week... Will only keep 1 out of 3, so 2 of them will either be returned or put up for sale.
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If my eyes don't deceive me, this had 21 frets Originally Posted by jjk1407
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Why in God's name would anyone want a Tele Neck pickup on an Archtop? I get the Charlie Christian pickup thing, even a P 90.
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This whole body/neck/appearance, which do you prefer topic, reminds me of a very funny incident.
Went to the local county fair with a well known classical guitarist and his wife. We went to the guy who guesses age, weight, etc.
When the wife stepped up, the barker said loudly into the microphone and over the system for everyone to hear, "Ah, the face of a little girl with the body of an old lady..."
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Originally Posted by jads57
3:34 mark
Pulled from this post:
What type of neck pickup would you prefer on a "jazz" Tele?
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the 7-string version of the one on top came (or still comes, don’t know) with active pickups from Fishman.
can’t speak for the humbuckers on the 6-string version, but the active ones on my 7 are sweet, smooth, balanced, and surprisingly very acoustic-like - as is the guitar itself, highly resonant, with a really warm attack.
my guitar teacher spent his entire career wearing an L5 and playing Wes’ stuff day in, day out... and found my Strandberg Original 7 quite usable, tone-wise, in any jazz setting (and borrowed it often on such occasions).
look doesn’t matter much to me, i’m in this for the ears’ treat, and the feeling on both hands... and to try one for 10’ meant a sudden, and real bad, “want it” need. and for the love of jazz, too.
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The Strandberg design is interesting to me purely from a practical point of view. Since developing some chronic wrist/thumb and elbow issues it seems to be a possible solution, or partial solution in playing in the seated raise neck position. I know it would not be easy to adapt to the extreme raised angle that Guy and John Stowell use but you can see how stress free that position is .
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Because it is a pretty neutral and thus expressive pickup. Originally Posted by jads57
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As an update on this matter. I ended up returning both of the Strandberg originals I got, also a Prog 6.
There's a sustain issue at the E and F notes on G string for all the ones I tried, very consistent. The problem gets worse with heavier strings (e.g. a .019 G string) and is definitely not related to fret or PUs. I clamped a fatfinger at the "headstock" then the dead spots moved up 2 frets to D and D#. So it's something related to the design or the production. I also had others confirming the same issue on their Strandbergs.
Too bad I already sold my 2018 Salen when found this problem on the new Strandbergs so I can't really tell if it's something recently got changed in the production process.
Then I got 2 Standards with solid basswood body, instead of chambered ones like Orig/Prog. Both of them have better sustain at E on G, probably because of the solid body design. But the F note is still bothering me. At the end I kept the one with slightly better sustain on F and returned the other.
Just for the reference, here is what one of the Orig sounds like with .019 G string:
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And they're bringing out a jazz model in a few days.
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Curious! Anyone want to guess what that means? I'll go: lower output pickups, semi-hollow, medium jumbo frets? Hard to imagine but maybe fewer than 24 frets so the neck pup lands at :"24"? Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
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I only know a little but from the advance leaks: a Salen body with two humbuckers, natural finish, conventional sound hole, some sort of chambering. Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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