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    Looking for a new solid state amp. Which solid state would you prefer for great clean sounds and small gigs?

    ATM I've narrowed it down to:
    1. Peavey Envoy 110
    2. Boss Katana mk2
    3. Roland cube 40 (discontinued, but can look for used)
    4. Roland JC22
    5. DV LJ
    6. Kustom KG 100FX 112

    What else is there on market? Any suggestions?

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    I still have no regrets about my Fender Champion 50XL. 12" celestion speaker, very usable selection of amp models, fx, reverbs, delays...plenty loud. Best part is it only weighs 19 pounds and it's not a mini amp.

    Only other one that interests me some would be a DV Jazz 12, but thats over twice the price of my Fender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
    I still have no regrets about my Fender Champion 50XL. 12" celestion speaker, very usable selection of amp models, fx, reverbs, delays...plenty loud. Best part is it only weighs 19 pounds and it's not a mini amp.

    Only other one that interests me some would be a DV Jazz 12, but thats over twice the price of my Fender.
    would you take 50xl over katana or envoy 110?

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    My favorite at the moment is the Quilter OD200 head. Small, powerful, great sound. This plus a light 1x12 cab is a very gig worthy setup. I use mine with a ported 1x12 by Pure 64. I'd be surprised if both together weighed much more than 20 pounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djg
    Quite a few years worth of reading in this link!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greco
    Quite a few years worth of reading in this link!
    I red the post.
    tbh half of the amps mentioned there are history and/or not even sold on EU.

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    DV Mark Little Jazz is a great amp. I have one.

    Peavey Envoy 110, I had & sold. Nice build, but I never could find an EQ setting/tone that I liked.

    Roland Cube series is great, and I could get along fine with the Fender Champion series.

    But my favorites are Henriksen and Acoustic Image. More expensive, but great stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longways to Go
    DV Mark Little Jazz is a great amp. I have one.

    Peavey Envoy 110, I had & sold. Nice build, but I never could find an EQ setting/tone that I liked.

    Roland Cube series is great, and I could get along fine with the Fender Champion series.

    But my favorites are Henriksen and Acoustic Image. More expensive, but great stuff.
    what would you choose from acoustic image?

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    IDK. I only know the gear I have.

    I have an older Acoustic Image Clarus head & Raezer's Edge cab.
    It's a great sounding rig. I expect everything they make sounds great.

    I also have a Henriksen 110ER. While I like the sound of the Acoustic Image better,
    the Henriksen Combo is more convenient, so the Henriksen gets used more often because I am lazy about lugging gear around.

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    I'd definitely pass on the Roland JC's, any of them. They're all hissy and I think they sound really cold. They were great for their day but that was a very long time ago and there are a lot of better alternatives that have come out in the last several years. I have two DV Mark amps, a Little Jazz and a Micro 50 Jazz head with a cabinet and like both. Neither are expensive and as I understand it, they're readily available in most of Europe.

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    Quilter Tone Block 202 with a DV Mark 1x12"Neodymium Cab ultimate small rig that will,cover any gig anywhere!
    Quilter Aviator 1x8" Combo ultimate for smaller venues and rehehearsals.

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    I'll start with the caveat. I'm not trying to sound like Wes (I wish I could though), meaning I don't play with a classic jazz tone, so what I like may not matter to anybody else. That said ...

    I regularly use a friend's Roland 40X and my own LJ. Different rooms.

    I prefer the LJ, but I can get a reasonable sound out of the 40X. The 40X has a lot more knobs (ie tone options), but I don't use them.

    The LJ weighs less.

    I don't play with a lot of lower frequencies (I often have the bass control on the LJ at zero). I suspect that the 40X would be better at lows, but I don't need that.

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    The only one of those I've tried is the Roland cube 40, which I liked. I like the Fender Champion modeling amps a lot (I have the 20). I also really like Henriksen amps (especially the Jazz10).

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longways to Go
    IDK. I only know the gear I have.

    I have an older Acoustic Image Clarus head & Raezer's Edge cab.
    It's a great sounding rig. I expect everything they make sounds great.
    I have a Clarus 2r series III that goes through a Raezer's Edge Stealth 12 and sounds fantastic with all of my guitars; I never make use of distortion so it's all clean tones for me. Quite frankly it could be the only amp in my house and I wouldn't be missing anything. However, GAS is what it is and so I do have six other amps.

    I have a Polytone Baby Taurus that I bought from forum member Lawson. That too is a great sounding amp and works well with all of my guitars, perhaps not as well with the nylon strings as the Clarus does but especially well with the archtops. My other amps include a self-built tweed Deluxe 5E3 clone, an early 70s Fender Pro Reverb, an Egnater Rebel 30, a Roland Cube 60 and a tiny Fender something or other that was under $30 new and is the workbench amp.

    If I was only going to have one amp, which I really should because I've given up on gigging, I would logically keep the Clarus/RE set up. It's dead reliable, sounds great, is easy to work with. Emotionally, though, I would keep the 5E3 because I built that.

    In terms of recommending amps to others, I often recommend the Roland Cube series amps. They sound good if maybe a little bit sterile, they're very reliable and they can be had really inexpensively on the used market. I gigged many times with mine and it always got the job done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    Quilter Tone Block 202 with a DV Mark 1x12"Neodymium Cab ultimate small rig that will,cover any gig anywhere!
    I heartily agree, though I like mine in the BlockDock 12. Always been more of a combo amp guy. Bloody expensive and worth every penny.

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    Always depends. While I'm very impressed with the Quilter 201 and Roland Artist (sparkle tone capsule) I've gotten sucked into the dark side of amp models and cabinet IR's.

    A Strymon Iridium into a Schertler Roy is an expensive set up. Into a Unico even. And it takes time to dial things in as you get used to a new toolbox. But it is warm, flexible, and will support anything from classical to metal. To my taste, sounds better than anything else I've tried. (caveat: for jazz the 81 Fender Concert augmented with a 2X12 with Celestion V30's is arguably better for jazz. But not solid state and not 100 pounds better.)

    You could use different boxes on the front. A Line 6 Helix Stomp for instance. On the back, I haven't heard anything warmer than the Schertler stuff.

    If I were going to limit the choice to combo amp, I suspect the Fender Tonemaster Twin is better than that Roland Artist though I haven't tried the former yet.
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    From this all, I would kick out Kustom for some reason.

    And if you are limited to jazz only, kick Boss Katana, and Peavey Envoy.

    And if you are not jazz limited only, then I would go with Katana or Envoy.

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    Old orange cube 40 sounds great, if it's lightweight your after. Maybe a slight bit on the muddy side for my ears, but negligible on the bandstand.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: Yamaha G50 ii.
    Supreme clean sound, plenty of head room, good reverb, very good bass presence. I think the circuit is based on a Fender twin or such and does have a Fender-like sound.
    Drawback is it's a bit heavy. But, they can be found for cheap.

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    Polytone

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    Does anyone have any thoughts on this. there are some obvious ones like price, better reverb( suggest other solution possibley) power output. Personally I like to see both run from a battery rather than mains. I would be interested in your thoughts please. Sibbs

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    For running on battery, some people use a battery power supply. There are some posts on the forum about this. I don't have a link handy, but a search should turn some up for you. Users claim that the power lasts for several hours when using a solid-state amp, and a Class D amp allows even longer use. I've never used one of those, but I've never needed one.

    I have a DV Mark Little Jazz, and a Clarus head with a Raezer's Edge cabinet. I like both, but for home use I slightly prefer the AI/RE combo. But they're heavy and bulky compared to the LJ, which is what I take when I go out. If the LJ is not loud enough, then it's too loud for me to stay and play. The reverb in it is okay, not great, but then I don't care much for reverb. If I can definitely hear the reverb, it's too much. I have a TC HOF Mini reverb pedal, and I sometimes use it turned up just enough to fatten the tone a little. But mostly I don't use any reverb at all. YMMV. This is an entirely subjective subject.

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    Thanks you so much for your response and advice, I search the forum re the battery. I also like your comments and thoughts on the reverb. Appreciate your input Thanks Sibbs

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    DV little jazz is the only one I’ve heard on a jazz gig and I thought it sounded pretty good.

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    Oh that’s not true actually. Roland cubes are good too. Tbh I think the Katana would be a good shout.

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    Apprecoated

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    Hi Christian,

    I really like your band and playing. Once again apprciated, I have a DV LJ I wished it was battery though. Many thanks Sibbs

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    Would highly recommend checking out the Fender Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregoryL
    Would highly recommend checking out the Fender Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb.
    I must admit I could probably go for one if these if I needed another amp.

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    Check out the new Raezer's Edge SS amps -- some great demos here already!

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    I've gotten interested in the Phil Jones line of guitar amps since doing a gig with a bass player whose PJ amp could fill an auditorium, even though it only weighed EIGHT pounds! I could lift it with one finger!
    They've got three models, the AG-100, the AG-150, both of which weigh only 11.5 lbs., and aren't that expensive. Supposedly they're only good for quiet gigs with archtops and other acoustic guitars.
    The third model, the Super Cub AG-300, is over 1K, weighs 27lbs., and has 250 watts.
    Supposedly you can turn it up to ten, and still get a perfectly clean, transparent sound.
    Does anyone use a PJ amp?

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    I'm fighting a case of GAS as hard as I can, and so far successfully. The AI Luna head is calling my name like the fabled sirens. If I do buy another amp, I'm pretty sure it will be one of those. Must.... fight.... be strong......

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgcim
    I've gotten interested in the Phil Jones line of guitar amps since doing a gig with a bass player whose PJ amp could fill an auditorium, even though it only weighed EIGHT pounds! I could lift it with one finger!
    They've got three models, the AG-100, the AG-150, both of which weigh only 11.5 lbs., and aren't that expensive. Supposedly they're only good for quiet gigs with archtops and other acoustic guitars.
    The third model, the Super Cub AG-300, is over 1K, weighs 27lbs., and has 250 watts.
    Supposedly you can turn it up to ten, and still get a perfectly clean, transparent sound.
    Does anyone use a PJ amp?
    I had a similar experience. Bassist with my big band used a Phil Jones the size, roughly, of a briefcase. Acoustic upright bass. Sounded great and plenty loud enough.

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    A bass player I work with has a Phil Jones combo - it has four small speakers, two face outwards and two face upwards. Very compact and capable of serious volume! We play in some fairly noisy venues, that amp doesn't struggle at all with volume. I bet it would sound good for guitar.

    Currently my two favourite SS amps that I regularly play through are my DV Mark Little Jazz and a Quilter Aviator Twin Ten. Both sound totally different. The DV Mark has a flatter response, kind of like a Polytone. The Quilter is voiced differently - it's a bit more Fender-like in its EQ. It's a fair bit brighter than the DV Mark for example.

    Another amp worth checking out is the old Peavey Bandit 65, they're from the mid 1980s. They can be had for cheap and have a great clean sound and lush spring reverb. Loads of headroom. The later Peavey amps don't sound anywhere near as good in my opinion. I bought mine for something like $100!

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    I have an Acoustic Image Corus series III. Three-hundred SS watts, @20 lbs, two channels (one XLR for vocals, if you want, Alesis reverbs, 1-8" spkr, 1 10" spkr, and a defeatable tweeter make it a powerful personal PA unit, perfect for solo performers or ensemble musicians. Also the world's best warranty. My ES-175 gets a great Jazz tone with a little knobbery. And the adjustable shelving bass roll-off is great for inhibiting feedback. Perfect for archtops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell
    I'm fighting a case of GAS as hard as I can, and so far successfully. The AI Luna head is calling my name like the fabled sirens. If I do buy another amp, I'm pretty sure it will be one of those. Must.... fight.... be strong......
    [You mean the "Raezer's Edge" Luna, right?]

    [succumb to your desires ... you will be pleased!]

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgcim
    I've gotten interested in the Phil Jones line of guitar amps since doing a gig with a bass player whose PJ amp could fill an auditorium, even though it only weighed EIGHT pounds! I could lift it with one finger!
    They've got three models, the AG-100, the AG-150, both of which weigh only 11.5 lbs., and aren't that expensive. Supposedly they're only good for quiet gigs with archtops and other acoustic guitars.
    The third model, the Super Cub AG-300, is over 1K, weighs 27lbs., and has 250 watts.
    Supposedly you can turn it up to ten, and still get a perfectly clean, transparent sound.
    Does anyone use a PJ amp?
    I have the AG-300 and really loved it.

    Now use a 10inch Mambo which to my ears has better projection and a warmer sound and with the addition of a second Mambo speaker cabinet provides me with more power than I will ever need.

    The AG-300 is now a rarely used backup.
    One issue I did have with the AG was the two upward facing speakers tended to make the guitar sound louder to me than it really was in the mix which can be a little confusing (if you get my drift).

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    [You mean the "Raezer's Edge" Luna, right?]
    Um, yeah. I guess I got too excited. Mark Kleinhaut is an evil enabler. And you are not helping.

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    In the 70's through the mid zeros, I was a Polytone guy (still have one). In the mid Zeros I became an AI Clarus/RE Guy (I still have a Clarus and three RE cabinets. I also got into the portability of the AER Compact 60 (still have one). Recently I got one of the new Class D Henriksen Combos (Blu six). The Henriksen rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzplayer123
    would you take 50xl over katana or envoy 110?
    I did choose it over them and everything else near that price range. It was 5-10lbs lighter than most, I'm old and I haul my amp around everywhere to play, I'm not a livingroom player. I also chose it for it's simplicity to use, not many knobs and settings to fiddle with. Channel one : volume-treble-bass-reverb level. Plug and play. Katana and others would drive me nuts tweaking.

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    There’s these things as well. Pasquale Grasso was using one and I got a chance to hear Don_oz play through one on a gig I played with him. Incredibly portable. Not the most bass rich sound, but plenty of volume for small gigs. Very inexpensive.

    https://www.guitarsoundsystems.com/M...mp-c2x20771279

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    Quote Originally Posted by christianm77
    There’s these things as well. Pasquale Grasso was using one and I got a chance to hear Don_oz play through one on a gig I played with him. Incredibly portable. Not the most bass rich sound, but plenty of volume for small gigs. Very inexpensive.

    https://www.guitarsoundsystems.com/M...mp-c2x20771279
    You'd need to be playing in a small room with a quiet( or no) audience for that to work. I've tried. With the ext cab., it would be better.

    Another very compact alternative- dunno if it's mentioned already - is a TC BAM200 head with a 6" or 8" cab. Much fuller jazz sound, tiny amp, cheap, nearly as portable.

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    I've had the Phil Jones AG-100 for some time. It was giggable but I didn't find it up to par with the Aer nor the Henriksen I also had at the time.

    Solid state, i have owned or gigged Aer, Roland cubes, Acoustic Image, Phil Jones, Polytone, Henriksen, Zt Lunchbox, various Fenders and Marshalls, Bugera, Quilter, Katana, probably some more I forget. Lots of them since you are always searching for the better one for you, they are generally cheaper to aquire and try, very different sounding from brand to brand, and very useful to have if gigging.

    Personal favorites are Henriksen and Aer for sound quality, Roland cubes, Bugera Ac-60 (Aer clone) and Dv mark for value for money (Dv Marks have a somewhat personal, compressed sound, so opinions may vary), Zt Lunchbox for portability.

    I still prefer using a small tube amp to all of these for electric and jazz guitars, but I can happily gig any of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entresz
    A bass player I work with has a Phil Jones combo - it has four small speakers, two face outwards and two face upwards. Very compact and capable of serious volume! We play in some fairly noisy venues, that amp doesn't struggle at all with volume. I bet it would sound good for guitar.

    Currently my two favourite SS amps that I regularly play through are my DV Mark Little Jazz and a Quilter Aviator Twin Ten. Both sound totally different. The DV Mark has a flatter response, kind of like a Polytone. The Quilter is voiced differently - it's a bit more Fender-like in its EQ. It's a fair bit brighter than the DV Mark for example.

    Another amp worth checking out is the old Peavey Bandit 65, they're from the mid 1980s. They can be had for cheap and have a great clean sound and lush spring reverb. Loads of headroom. The later Peavey amps don't sound anywhere near as good in my opinion. I bought mine for something like $100!
    The bass player I played with had the new Phil Jones with four speakers that cost $465, and is shaped like a small rectangle.
    I played through it, and it didn't sound too good for guitar, like most bass amps. The higher range sounded very weak, with no body to it. This model had no reverb, also.
    If it sounded good, I would've bought one in a second, because you can lift this thing with one finger without any strain.
    That's why I asked people about the AG series amps, which don't sound like they're powerful enough for my gig needs. The AG-300 sounds like it would be okay, but at 27lbs., it doesn't sound like it would be as effective as my AI Corus for my gig needs.

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    My Katana 50 can give off a sweet jazz tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgcim
    ....didn't sound too good for guitar, like most bass amps. .
    Not picking on your comments about the PJ amps, I'm not a particular fan either, but I don't agree that most bass amps don't sound good for guitar. Granted they won't sound like a fender, because their treble control range won't allow that glassy treble, but bass amps have one big advantage for jazz guitar. That is, the mid control on many/ most bass amps is around 400hz - which happens to be the the fundamental frequency of the G note on the first string. That's just what is needed to fatten up a weak top string sound, and it does exactly that. IMO a bass amp with outboard reverb- or not- can sound great for guitar, if you're not looking for seriously scooped mids.

    That's probably the reason that high-end Evans amps have a 'depth' control (at a slightly lower frequency, but the same principle) that fattens any weak-sounding top end - it's really effective. It could even be the reason that Gibson promoted its ( tube) bass amp for jazz players in the early 60s ( although the weight and size might have put people off)

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    If it's all for Jazz I would choose the Roland Cube 40 from your short list. The Peavey Envoys are great for Blues, Rock and Country.

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    Screw it, after last night I’d say - Peavey Bandit 112. Its all they had on stage when I got to the jam, and I was like ‘urggghhhh’ How wrong I was.

    It’s great, you can dial in a very middy polytone type sound and it has buckets of headroom. Sounds great with the band.

    i also got to hear the other guitarist play his Moffa through it. Sounded great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entresz
    A bass player I work with has a Phil Jones combo - it has four small speakers, two face outwards and two face upwards. Very compact and capable of serious volume! We play in some fairly noisy venues, that amp doesn't struggle at all with volume. I bet it would sound good for guitar.

    Currently my two favourite SS amps that I regularly play through are my DV Mark Little Jazz and a Quilter Aviator Twin Ten. Both sound totally different. The DV Mark has a flatter response, kind of like a Polytone. The Quilter is voiced differently - it's a bit more Fender-like in its EQ. It's a fair bit brighter than the DV Mark for example.

    Another amp worth checking out is the old Peavey Bandit 65, they're from the mid 1980s. They can be had for cheap and have a great clean sound and lush spring reverb. Loads of headroom. The later Peavey amps don't sound anywhere near as good in my opinion. I bought mine for something like $100!
    aha - yes I think it was an old one. These amps are no joke. Cheap and cheerful.

    i also like the peavey classics but that’s another thread...

    I see them on eBay for about 100usd. 65s and 112s.

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    Not the jazz 12? I think the LJ is great, but the Katana is much more versatile and a shockingly great value.