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    Hello! Greetings from Indonesia! I'm basically new here in my appearance, but I've been reading many posts about jazz guitar here for a long time, a silent reader. I know some guitar master and archtop master from here and i learned so much about archtop here. because of that, i became brave enough to do several things to my guitar like refret my guitar(i read JohnD's thread about his Gibson JS got refretted), changed my pickup to kent armstrong handmade that i knew from this forum, learn the archtop history, D'Angelico history, and much more! this forum is great! I rarely post something here because I'm not confident enough with my English.. so... I'm sorry for my poor english. I'm trying my best to make you understand whay I say. This is my first thread.. so be gentle with me! hahaha

    okay, enough for the introduction..

    I would say I'm a fan with Korean-made D'Angelico guitars copy because IMO they always improve the quality of their products, keep learning, and find a way to make a good guitars with a great price range without forgetting the roots of their products (some may disagree with me).

    They launch a new product in Excel and Deluxe series. In excel, the new product called "Throwback" series for EXL-1 and Style-B.
    here's the link for the specs and photos:
    Excel EXL-1 Throwback | Excel Series | D'Angelico Guitars - EXL 1
    Excel Style B Throwback | Excel Series | D'Angelico Guitars - Style B

    here's the demo



    This make me really hypeddd, I mean, they now use ebony fingerboard, ebony bridge (I don't know how they could use ebony again ?), bigger inlays (i like inlays), headstock veneer, a NEW DESIGN HEADSTOCK like John used in his older guitar, S-holes with two-layer binding, a wooden pickguard (macassar ebony), and better finish! they make a new finish called 'Viola'.

    This make me kinda regret why I bought my EXL-1 so soon. I would buy these new products if I don't have my current EXL-1. Why they didn't do this several years ago?? this make me angry but happy at the same time knowing finally they make new features like I've been really looking for but i can't buy them because I'm a poor college guy at the moment ahaha. So instead of buying new guitar, i decided to make my own modification to my exl 1 for the past several years, i changed the pickup to kent armstrong floater 12-pole PAF, new pots, new jescar frets, re-radiused the fingerboard to 12'', changed the pickguard to the wooden one, buy ebony bridge, and then now they released these new products with new features! Nevertheless, I'm still proud with my EXL.

    what's your opinion about this 'throwback' series??

    Thank you!

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    Well they're not at all historically accurate, but I much prefer that look over the previous ones, especially the headstock.

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    D'Aquisto F holes on a D'Angelico ? A insult to both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    D’Aquisto F holes on a D’Angelico ? A insult to both.
    Give the Ferolito family time and they will acquire the D'Aquisto brand name as well.....

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    I dig the Style B non-cutaway model. Nice features, tone and vibe. Mark Whitfield sounded great.

    It may be the recording process or EQ settings, but the EXL-1 played by Rodney Jones was very bright sounding.

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    These are all cosmetic differences except the Seymour Duncan pickup in place of the Kent Armstrong "Jazzy Joe" pickup that is on almost all the D'Angelico and Eastman guitars. The Style B is a nice guitar with a thinner top and more resonance than their other guitars but I prefer their original version, also the sunburst finish. The F-holes aren't right for a guitar trying to represent the 1930's. The price difference of $1999 vs $1559 is not justified. You could get a standard Style B and add a better pickup and come out paying less.

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    They sure have some heavy names promoting them! Rodney Jones & Whitfield! I think the Excel is great for the money. A bit confused with all the versions, countries of origin, specs, you kind of see the same guitar going from 600 (on numerous sales) to 1700 euros..
    Wouldn't pay 2000 for it though..

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    Better off finding an original Vestex New Yorker at around same price. Better guitar and yes the f holes don’t cut it.

    i cannot say I dislike the guitars I do like the older style headstock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyrregent
    These are all cosmetic differences except the Seymour Duncan pickup in place of the Kent Armstrong "Jazzy Joe" pickup that is on almost all the D'Angelico and Eastman guitars. The Style B is a nice guitar with a thinner top and more resonance than their other guitars but I prefer their original version, also the sunburst finish. The F-holes aren't right for a guitar trying to represent the 1930's. The price difference of $1999 vs $1559 is not justified. You could get a standard Style B and add a better pickup and come out paying less.
    Agreed, the pricing is a little weird. It looks like they discontinued the Deluxe EXL-1, and I guess this is the replacement. I like the headstock and the overall look better than the standard, but maybe not $500 better (we'll see if this holds with the street prices)

    FYI, The Deluxe is still on the GC site for $1699, but there are blow-out prices elsewhere (D'Angelico Deluxe EXL-1 Matte Powder Blue - ProAudioStar, as well as on Reverb).

    I actually just tried one in a store, and weird matte green finish notwithstanding, it played and sounded great, as in "wow, this thing is really cool" great. I've tried a couple of the standard ones in past and was not all that knocked out, but this one was way better. The acoustic volume was quite loud (borderline legit acoustic guitar), and the Duncan pickup was really good. Tempted (especially at a blow-out price), but don't like 17" guitars.

    John

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    First and foremost.. we have a company updating the archtop designs in their product line. That is a good thing. Excel EXL-1's are pretty good guitars.

    Product line names are a little confusing. However, as far as I can tell, if one of their archtop models has gold hardware, it is one of the nicer models.

    And each time there is a design update we see the older the models on Musicians Friend Stupid Deal Of The Day. Now I have to start watching and thinking if I have an application for the current model..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody Sound
    Well they're not at all historically accurate, but I much prefer that look over the previous ones, especially the headstock.
    Yup i agree they're not historically accurate, they kinda mix the features from different years up to one guitar. And I agree, i like the headstock design more because it's more elegant + wood veneer

    Quote Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
    D'Aquisto F holes on a D'Angelico ? A insult to both.
    Quote Originally Posted by zephyrregent
    These are all cosmetic differences except the Seymour Duncan pickup in place of the Kent Armstrong "Jazzy Joe" pickup that is on almost all the D'Angelico and Eastman guitars. The Style B is a nice guitar with a thinner top and more resonance than their other guitars but I prefer their original version, also the sunburst finish. The F-holes aren't right for a guitar trying to represent the 1930's. The price difference of $1999 vs $1559 is not justified. You could get a standard Style B and add a better pickup and come out paying less.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alter
    They sure have some heavy names promoting them! Rodney Jones & Whitfield! I think the Excel is great for the money. A bit confused with all the versions, countries of origin, specs, you kind of see the same guitar going from 600 (on numerous sales) to 1700 euros..
    Wouldn't pay 2000 for it though..
    Quote Originally Posted by deacon Mark
    Better off finding an original Vestex New Yorker at around same price. Better guitar and yes the f holes don’t cut it.

    i cannot say I dislike the guitars I do like the older style headstock.
    yes i think the guitars are not fully designed for "throwback" sake, they do consider about the looks and cosmetic, like the F-holes new design, wood veneer on the headstock, I think John didn't even do those things back then (CMIIW). But the EXL-1 DP (early 2000 D'angelico korean made) has wood veneer on their headstock. I'm not really sure about the big inlays, though. AFAIK, the big inlays were only applied to style A/B or the older one. The big inlays never applied to Excel series . But I do like what they do to this throwback series. It may doesn't work to people who really knows about the history about the legendary John D'Angelico. And yes, the price different is too much for me, sound-wise, you could just change the pickup to get the sound you want , electrically. For the acoustic sound, it may make some differences due to ebony fingerboard and new F-holes design.
    For the price, I think I agree it's better to buy the Vestax version. But the pickup is better on the korean one. AFAIK, the Vestax uses the asian KA-design pickup for their guitars.


    Quote Originally Posted by Spook410
    First and foremost.. we have a company updating the archtop designs in their product line. That is a good thing. Excel EXL-1's are pretty good guitars.

    Product line names are a little confusing. However, as far as I can tell, if one of their archtop models has gold hardware, it is one of the nicer models.

    And each time there is a design update we see the older the models on Musicians Friend Stupid Deal Of The Day. Now I have to start watching and thinking if I have an application for the current model..
    Yup, I appreciate what they do to this throwback series.
    and to answer your question.. their products are divided to 3 main categories : Premier, Excel, Deluxe (left to right from the cheaper one). Like what you said, the Excel and Deluxe are the better series, and they have gold hardware. I personally like the Excel series the most. I don't really like the finish on the Deluxe model (it's mostly solid matte finish for the archtop so you can't see the wood grain).

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    I guess the most important thing is how they play and sound, but I just never could wrap my head around any guitar with that name in the headstock that wasn't made by the man himself.
    Apparently there's some good sounding examples, SS has one he digs. But I guess I'm old school, when I saw that name on an orig example it was like beholding the Stradivarius of guitars.
    Now it seems so watered down, it makes me sad whenever I see these copies. Granted, I know there are some quality guitars, but not the point.
    I have more respect for luthiers w a sense of originality, don't be a flat out copycat.
    Sorry, getting too old and cranky I guess, btw, get off my lawn!
    Back to your regularly scheduled throwback thread.

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    I for one, like the looks of these “Throwback” guitars. They look mighty sharp. I had an EXL-1 a couple of years ago. It was a nice guitar in that price range. I now have a Benedetto Bravo Deluxe after first selling the D’Angelico to get one of the CME ES-175s. That was nice too, but wasn’t for me either.

    I would check out one of these new ones when they come available. I won’t ditch the Benedetto, but I might add to the herd. Is it period correct? No, but it’s nice looking. I don’t think anyone will confuse any of the newer D’Angelicos with the originals made by Mr. D himself. We should be happy that any manufacturer has interest in keeping this genre alive at this price point. We’ll see how it sounds.

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    So they if they want a real throwback I can send them the dimensions. I like the fingerboard pattern at end. The older style headstock. Carving it could be the breaking point.

    D'Angelico New Throwback Series-ebf8c610-19ab-4631-b2af-eb1dcecc98dd-jpgD'Angelico New Throwback Series-dec2ef32-6a15-41c7-8ef4-20bcebedb03f-jpgD'Angelico New Throwback Series-8cee30cc-fb64-4736-afab-3df5a109459b-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    Whoa, time for a rebind there
    Not a chance my friend it is all basically tight and been that way most of the 35 plus years I have owned it. If the next owner wants to spend the time and money more power to them. It plays like a gem the action at the moment is incredibly low 4/64 on both sides at the 12th, neck has never moved. It does not buzz a bit but if sometimes I raise it to 5/64 on the bass side if I am feeling pretty strong. The guitar is 71 years old and looks fine for a guitar that I probably play almost daily at least a bit. Every once in while I might play it 3 hours at the shot.

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    Beautiful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigracer
    I for one, like the looks of these “Throwback” guitars.
    I second that !
    the headstock is nice , the other one is too grand for me ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by deacon Mark
    So they if they want a real throwback I can send them the dimensions. I like the fingerboard pattern at end. The older style headstock. Carving it could be the breaking point.

    D'Angelico New Throwback Series-ebf8c610-19ab-4631-b2af-eb1dcecc98dd-jpgD'Angelico New Throwback Series-dec2ef32-6a15-41c7-8ef4-20bcebedb03f-jpgD'Angelico New Throwback Series-8cee30cc-fb64-4736-afab-3df5a109459b-jpg
    wow. So beautiful Mark! I think I will never get a chance to have (or even touch!) the real D'A. One disadvantage living in my country, people who obsessed with archtop are few here. I have to deal with the price too
    I'm really impressed by how many binding John D'A did to the headstock. I'm glad the company add 4 more binding (from 3 ply) to the headstock because this headstock design really suit with many layers of binding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John A.
    Agreed, the pricing is a little weird. It looks like they discontinued the Deluxe EXL-1, and I guess this is the replacement. I like the headstock and the overall look better than the standard, but maybe not $500 better (we'll see if this holds with the street prices)

    FYI, The Deluxe is still on the GC site for $1699, but there are blow-out prices elsewhere (D'Angelico Deluxe EXL-1 Matte Powder Blue - ProAudioStar, as well as on Reverb).

    I actually just tried one in a store, and weird matte green finish notwithstanding, it played and sounded great, as in "wow, this thing is really cool" great. I've tried a couple of the standard ones in past and was not all that knocked out, but this one was way better. The acoustic volume was quite loud (borderline legit acoustic guitar), and the Duncan pickup was really good. Tempted (especially at a blow-out price), but don't like 17" guitars.

    John
    White MIK Excel EXL-1’s on clearance at GC for $699. Looks like the version discontinued in 2018 with the Armstrong pup.

    D'Angelico Excel EXL-1 Hollowbody Electric Guitar Classic White Tortoise Pickguard | Guitar Center

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    I have mixed feelings about the revival of D'Angelico guitars. While I probably would have preferred that the brand only live on as a string brand (which is where the brand was at till the early 90's), I get the desire for guitars with John D'Angelico's esthetics. I have one of the 90's replicas and while not quite the real thing (I own three genuine DA's and can tell the difference) it is nevertheless a fine guitar, built with reverence for the works of the master. Once the Ferolito family bought the brand, the inexpesive Asian imports started. I owned a couple of these (Korean built) and thought they were good guitars, but not great or even "very good". But in fact, John D'Angelico sold guitars with cheap bodies and his own necks that bore his brand that were not great guitars back in the day. So arguably what has happened in recent years is not without precedent.

    My 1935 Excel (Thanks again JD!) has F holes similar to the new series, so perhaps the design cue is more vintage D'Angelico that a mixing of D'Aquisto's design. The sad part for me is that Jimmy D'Aquisto was swindled out of the D'Angelico brand, but the Ferolitos are certainly not responsible for that, so I wish them continued good fortune with their endeavors and hope that all who buy D'Angelico guitars, whether the high end replicas, the real thing or the Asian imports enjoy their guitars.

    Here is a pic of my 35 Excel:D'Angelico New Throwback Series-da1-jpg

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    Stringswinger, that Excel is just exactly what an archtop should look like. Dang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook410
    First and foremost.. we have a company updating the archtop designs in their product line. That is a good thing. Excel EXL-1's are pretty good guitars.

    Product line names are a little confusing. However, as far as I can tell, if one of their archtop models has gold hardware, it is one of the nicer models.

    And each time there is a design update we see the older the models on Musicians Friend Stupid Deal Of The Day. Now I have to start watching and thinking if I have an application for the current model..
    Come on, we should all be happy that someone still manufactures archtop guitars for the mass public. The d'angelico (ferolito) are good, they can be used live and are excellent worhorse guitars. Let's put aside the purism of names, in any case Orville Gibson died a long time ago. My two cents

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    An insult to the original for sure! Basically an imported Peerless guitar made up to look like the real deal. Other than cashing in on the name and legend of the man who tirelessly built mostly great guitars for the discerning player.
    Laminated press tops,sides and backs do not,replace solid carved wood.

    Even newer laminates that are more carefully made by excellent luthiers,cost much more money to make and assemble. You get what you pay for and there arent any cheap great Archtops.
    You'd be way better off with an Eastman 810CE!

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    It's the modern situation. What are the choices?

    Of the choices for archtop guitars with a history of being made in the USA , Gibson is the only guitar with some continuous history but is priced way higher than any of the other choices except custom luthiers.

    Epiphone - made in China, or Korea. Now Epiphone is a sub $1000 import guitar not meant to be equivalent to Gibson. I have played a 1951 Epiphone Zephyr Regent since 1970 and due to a chronic health condition, low wage jobs and no health insurance due to "pre-existing conditions" never could afford a better guitar. I have an L5 now and a Korean D'Angelico Style B so am doing alright. I see why L5s are so prized but never could have afforded it, it was a gift.

    Guild - made in Korea.

    Gretsch - made in Japan or Korea. Although not many jazz guitarists used them, they were one of the choices.

    Eastmans are good but are more like Benedettos than classic Gibson, Epiphone or Guild archtops.

    Ibanez and other manufacturers make good quality guitars. I had one, it was a nice guitar, but not like an American archtop from the past.

    So, what to do if you don't have the money for a new or vintage Gibson or a custom made guitar? Or a D'Angelico? I've never seen or played one. Granted that D'Angelico was an individual luthier and not a company, it is a famous name American made archtop and was bound to be copied by someone. Those luthier made replicas and Vestax imports are better than the Korean models. Someone also put out low priced import Strombergs for awhile.

    Everyone makes their own choice. Buy an Asian replica American archtop or an Ibanez or Eastman or find a good deal on a vintage archtop. Some of us don't have access to stores with vintage archtop selections or any way to try them first so a new guitar can be a safer choice. I've had an Ibanez, an Eastman and one of the last Westerley made Guilds since 2000. The Eastman was too bright and the Guild was dead as a doorknob and built like a tank with no resonance at all.

    I think part of the attraction of archtops is in the looks, we all admire them. If you have a choice of a copy of an Epiphone, Guild, Gretsch, Benedetto or D'Angelico versus an Ibanez or other import without the classic looks of the past, the style might be an influential factor, though there is no relation to the original guitars besides cosmetic appearances.

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    I bought an Elferink Tonemaster archtop $4k a couple years back. Used you can find them in the mid$2k range. There are alternatives not super cheap but affordable considering most Les Paul's are now$3k and above!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyrregent
    It's the modern situation. What are the choices?

    Of the choices for archtop guitars with a history of being made in the USA , Gibson is the only guitar with some continuous history but is priced way higher than any of the other choices except custom luthiers.

    Epiphone - made in China, or Korea. Now Epiphone is a sub $1000 import guitar not meant to be equivalent to Gibson. I have played a 1951 Epiphone Zephyr Regent since 1970 and due to a chronic health condition, low wage jobs and no health insurance due to "pre-existing conditions" never could afford a better guitar. I have an L5 now and a Korean D'Angelico Style B so am doing alright. I see why L5s are so prized but never could have afforded it, it was a gift.

    Guild - made in Korea.

    Gretsch - made in Japan or Korea. Although not many jazz guitarists used them, they were one of the choices.

    Eastmans are good but are more like Benedettos than classic Gibson, Epiphone or Guild archtops.

    Ibanez and other manufacturers make good quality guitars. I had one, it was a nice guitar, but not like an American archtop from the past.

    So, what to do if you don't have the money for a new or vintage Gibson or a custom made guitar? Or a D'Angelico? I've never seen or played one. Granted that D'Angelico was an individual luthier and not a company, it is a famous name American made archtop and was bound to be copied by someone. Those luthier made replicas and Vestax imports are better than the Korean models. Someone also put out low priced import Strombergs for awhile.

    Everyone makes their own choice. Buy an Asian replica American archtop or an Ibanez or Eastman or find a good deal on a vintage archtop. Some of us don't have access to stores with vintage archtop selections or any way to try them first so a new guitar can be a safer choice. I've had an Ibanez, an Eastman and one of the last Westerley made Guilds since 2000. The Eastman was too bright and the Guild was dead as a doorknob and built like a tank with no resonance at all.

    I think part of the attraction of archtops is in the looks, we all admire them. If you have a choice of a copy of an Epiphone, Guild, Gretsch, Benedetto or D'Angelico versus an Ibanez or other import without the classic looks of the past, the style might be an influential factor, though there is no relation to the original guitars besides cosmetic appearances.
    I don’t know Zephyr but you seem legit in the era of fake news and what is real. You owe it to yourself to play an original Dangelico or Super 400 even if you never can or would buy one.

    Try and see someway to at least experience playing one. If you are in the neighborhood you are welcome to give a try. This goes for any great archtop does not need to be a D’angelico.

    I can’t keep up with guys in the Tour de France but I still can ride the same roads just have to dial back what I can do.

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    Sure, I promise not to buy a $1000 guitar because it offends people who own $30,000 guitars. Oops, too late.

    I mean seriously guys.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by deacon Mark
    I don’t know Zephyr but you seem legit in the era of fake news and what is real. You owe it to yourself to play an original Dangelico or Super 400 even if you never can or would buy one.

    Try and see someway to at least experience playing one. If you are in the neighborhood you are welcome to give a try. This goes for any great archtop does not need to be a D’angelico.

    I can’t keep up with guys in the Tour de France but I still can ride the same roads just have to dial back what I can do.
    Thanks. I appreciate the generous offer. I would love to play a real D'Angelico or Gibson Super 400 or another L5. However, I am 67 now, live in the Santa Cruz, CA area with no car and don't travel, so it is unlikely I will have the opportunity. The best archtop I ever played was a Gilchrist once at a shop in Carmel so I know the good ones are worth it, they are just unaffordable for me. Stay tuned!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John A.
    Sure, I promise not to buy a $1000 guitar because it offends people who own $30,000 guitars. Oops, too late.

    I mean seriously guys.

    John
    OK.. sprayed my coffee on that. Good one John.

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    D'Angelico guitars were not cheap back in their day either. They were equivalent in price to a Gibson or even a bit more. So the notion any of these guitars were inexpensive is a misnomer.
    They might have been way more affordable than their current value, but nowhere near $1k in today's money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    D'Angelico guitars were not cheap back in their day either. They were equivalent in price to a Gibson or even a bit more. So the notion any of these guitars were inexpensive is a misnomer.
    They might have been way more affordable than their current value, but nowhere near $1k in today's money.
    Here's an older thread about that. Let us not forget that some Gibson guitars were named for their price. For example Gibson introduced the Super 400 in 1934 for $400.00 A LOT of money then.

    Original price of D'Angelico, D'Aquisto, etc. adjusted for inflation

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    D'Angelico guitars were not cheap back in their day either. They were equivalent in price to a Gibson or even a bit more. So the notion any of these guitars were inexpensive is a misnomer.
    They might have been way more affordable than their current value, but nowhere near $1k in today's money.
    No one is saying original D'Angelicos were cheap, or even questioning today's prices for them. The current production made-in-Asia ones are the ones that cost $1-2K. There's a groundhog day discussion around here about the hallowed d D'Angelico name being attached to guitars that are similar to other Asian-made guitars under the skin and nothing like made-by-John-D'Angelico guitars.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    D'Angelico guitars were not cheap back in their day either. They were equivalent in price to a Gibson or even a bit more. So the notion any of these guitars were inexpensive is a misnomer.
    They might have been way more affordable than their current value, but nowhere near $1k in today's money.
    D'Angelico did have his "cheap" line. He bought bodies from two New Jersey manufacturers of "cheap" guitars (United guitars or Code guitars) and put his own necks on them (with the D'Angelico brand name intact). I do not recall the price for those (He did not keep a record of those in his ledger) and IMO, inflation calculators, while interesting are inaccurate.

    D'Angelico (used, 1959) Electric Archtop guitar built on a United body - Mandolin Brothers, Ltd.

    1957 D'Angelico United Body Electric Blonde > Guitars Archtop Electric & Acoustic | Laurence Wexer Ltd.

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    The thing about those United and Code bodied guitars is that they weren't technically a lower line instrument like a Gibson L-7, but rather lam body electrics.
    A bit of an apples and oranges comparison to a less fancy carved guitar vs say a NYet or Excel.
    A better comp would be a Style A or B.

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    There is not a single person on this forum that does not know the difference between the guitars and history of D'Angelico the luthier and the D'Angelico brand producing guitars for mass consumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook410
    There is not a single person on this forum that does not know the difference between the guitars and history of D'Angelico the luthier and the D'Angelico brand producing guitars for mass consumption.
    I have had the good fortune to obtain a bunch of high end archtops that say Gibson or D'Angelico on the headstocks and enjoy playing each and every one.

    If money was an object, playing a Korean made DA would certainly be under consideration for me. At least until I saved enough money for a Gibson.

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    after seeing that pic of JD a million times it just dawned on me he's fitting a guard to a lefty guitar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deacon Mark
    So they if they want a real throwback I can send them the dimensions. I like the fingerboard pattern at end. The older style headstock. Carving it could be the breaking point.

    D'Angelico New Throwback Series-ebf8c610-19ab-4631-b2af-eb1dcecc98dd-jpgD'Angelico New Throwback Series-dec2ef32-6a15-41c7-8ef4-20bcebedb03f-jpgD'Angelico New Throwback Series-8cee30cc-fb64-4736-afab-3df5a109459b-jpg

    That. Tailpiece. Right. There. Is. THE. Tailpiece of all Tailpieces. Of all. Ever.

    At least that's what I think.

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    I think the underlying intention of the D'Angelico videos with both Rodney Jones and Mark Whitfield is to compare the new imports to the original D'Angelico guitars legacy.
    And while I understand these players accepting money to do these videos,I'm basically offended by it. Both these players and the current owners are being disingenuous at best,by drawing any comparisons between these imports and the originals. At least Eastman doesn't claim to be a Benedetto.

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    Jazz guitarists have the same right to seek endorsements as any other entertainer, pro athlete or artist. That is how they make a living, rather than merely existing. Times are tough for professional jazz guitarists. Last year we saw one of the greatest jazz guitarists of all time, Kenny Burrell, go through a very public and terrible financial crisis. And even the massive GoFundMe efforts did not mitigate all of his woes.

    So why criticize a couple of guys for making a pitch for a guitar maker? They aren't hurting anyone. In my view, anyone who has the guts...and skills to try to make it as a jazz musician these days deserves our support, especially on a jazz guitar forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    after seeing that pic of JD a million times it just dawned on me he's fitting a guard to a lefty guitar.
    A lefty made in 1942.

    Quote Originally Posted by citizenk74
    That. Tailpiece. Right. There. Is. THE. Tailpiece of all Tailpieces. Of all. Ever. At least that's what I think.
    That's a mighty fine tailpiece. Here's my fave, which appears positively austere by comparison:

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    I get why they do it but when you lend credibility of your name, you basically are responsible for your actions. And sure we cut them some slack,but still it's a sell out. Both these players play very high end archtops in the $10 k and above range.

    So saying these cheaper guitars just as valid is really a stretch! At least George Benson actually plays his endorsed Ibanez guitar, as does Scofield and Metheny.
    Disappointed by such good musicians for such little monetary reward.

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    Yeah, and I'm shocked to discover that there's gambling in this establishment...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
    If money was an object, playing a Korean made DA would certainly be under consideration for me. At least until I saved enough money for a Gibson.
    Probably consistent the DA's marketing strategy. However, in this forum many, myself included, can afford pretty much whatever we want when it comes to guitars. They're all cheap compared to a good piano or cello. We've all played our share of Gibson's and even those of us who are not reasonably well informed on the workmanship and materials as they've evolved over the last several decades know who to ask. Believe it or not, some of us choose other products quite intentionally.

    And it depends on your application. If you like the neck, something like a DA EXL-1 with a pickup swap would be great for gigs involving the outdoors, running kids, and other challenges. All moot for me.. I'm completely out of space for new guitars and other gear. Besides, I'm deeply offended with the lack of respect shown to the Epiphone name. (OK.. maybe not)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammertone
    A lefty made in 1942.

    That's a mighty fine tailpiece. Here's my fave, which appears positively austere by comparison:

    thats beautiful HT .....
    what make is that ?

    im also liking this one from Case guitars
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    Elegant huh ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57
    I get why they do it but when you lend credibility of your name, you basically are responsible for your actions. And sure we cut them some slack,but still it's a sell out. Both these players play very high end archtops in the $10 k and above range.

    So saying these cheaper guitars just as valid is really a stretch! At least George Benson actually plays his endorsed Ibanez guitar, as does Scofield and Metheny.
    Disappointed by such good musicians for such little monetary reward.
    The whole world of professional endorsement of tools of the trade is 99% bullshit. Athletes don't use their signature gear ("paint job" tennis rackets, custom made shoes in all sports, etc.) , guitarists don't play exclusively play their signature models, etc. etc. Advertising is an inherently unethical, deceptive medium. In the grand scheme of things, a guitarist exaggerating the virtues of a guitar that he maybe uses but maybe doesn't is not something I can get all that worked up about. Sorry -- have to cut this short because I have to go talk to my doctor about an anti-psychotic now being used to tread zits.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spook410
    Probably consistent the DA's marketing strategy. However, in this forum many, myself included, can afford pretty much whatever we want when it comes to guitars. They're all cheap compared to a good piano or cello. We've all played our share of Gibson's and even those of us who are not reasonably well informed on the workmanship and materials as they've evolved over the last several decades know who to ask. Believe it or not, some of us choose other products quite intentionally.

    And it depends on your application. If you like the neck, something like a DA EXL-1 with a pickup swap would be great for gigs involving the outdoors, running kids, and other challenges. All moot for me.. I'm completely out of space for new guitars and other gear. Besides, I'm deeply offended with the lack of respect shown to the Epiphone name. (OK.. maybe not)
    I get that Gibson archtops might not be everyone's cup of tea (I have owned a few Gibsons that were dogs myself) and I also get the benefits of having a "cheap" guitar for things like playing outdoors or in bars full of drunks. For me, playing a good Gibson (or real D'Angelico) inspires my playing (and I have never found an Asian made archtop that inspires me) so all ten of my archtops today have those names on the headstocks. To deal with the risk of damage, I carry an insurance policy.

    I wish that the venerable guitar brands Epiphone, Guild, D'Angelico, Gretsch, D'Aquisto and Stromberg had been left alone just as I have never liked the various resurrections of the Indian motorcycle brand. But if there is a demand in the marketplace, it should be met. That is what wise businesspeople do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John A.
    The whole world of professional endorsement of tools of the trade is 99% bullshit. Athletes don't use their signature gear ("paint job" tennis rackets, custom made shoes in all sports, etc.) , guitarists don't play exclusively play their signature models, etc. etc. Advertising is an inherently unethical, deceptive medium. In the grand scheme of things, a guitarist exaggerating the virtues of a guitar that he maybe uses but maybe doesn't is not something I can get all that worked up about. Sorry -- have to cut this short because I have to go talk to my doctor about an anti-psychotic now being used to tread zits.

    John
    I read in interview with GB once where he said he's hesitant to play other guitars around people, because he did it once, someone took a picture and it ended up on a magazine, and Ibanez almost terminated their deal.

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    I think these new guitars look really cool and I'm happy to see they are available in 2020. Personally, I'm happy a company, any company, is making new archtop guitars.

    You can actually buy a new MIK D'Angelico and they're really nice guitars at a good price with a nod to the timeless designs of John D'Angelico. The fact of the matter is you
    can't buy a brand new D'Angelico made by John D'Angelico. You can't even buy a brand new Gibson archtop like an L-5 or ES-175.

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    Sorry but for me pissing on D'Angelico and D'Aquisto is personal, I'm Italian LOL!
    Seriously it degrades a great legacy of building great instruments. And it's preying on an individual, not a company.

    There is something wrong about it, so disrespectful and I get that business is business. But all of you players here should know better,and have higher ethic level. Instead of just acquiring the most instruments,etc.

    Reminds me of when Kenny G put himself on a Louis Armstrong recording. That is totally unacceptable in my book!