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    Anybody knows what amp and guitars Doug was playing in1979 with Chet on the trio recordings? There is one picture I found on the web and it's a thinline guitar ... I had expected to see his 350 (or what was it?).

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    I love Doug's choice of shoes, haha.

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    I think I see a 5-piece neck, venetian cutaway, volute.... 70ies Byrdland or Es-350T perhaps?

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    Unfortunately, I don’t know what type of guitar he used. Is it a combo amp or just a speaker cab in the right corner? I would say it’s a 1970’s Polytone amp. The design reminds me of old Polytones.

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    It's a great question...I've seen this photo before and wondered the same thing. I guess Doug wasn't married to a guitar...a 350t seems right maybe...it sounds like a long scale instrument to me, on those recordings...there's a "snap" to the notes that I've never heard from a Byrdland...but I could be wrong.

    Whatever it is, it's a damn near perfect tone, in my book.

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    No clue other than the aforementioned 350T, doubt it was a Birdie.
    Other than Chet hard to believe they're gone, Raneys lifestyle notwithstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB's Jazz Guitar Blog
    Anybody knows what amp and guitars Doug was playing in1979 with Chet on the trio recordings? There is one picture I found on the web and it's a thinline guitar ... I had expected to see his 350 (or what was it?).

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    I have no info about the gear, but that picture is something else. Incidentally, I went to high school with Jon Raney (who was just beginning to play jazz at that point, but quickly became a killer pianist), and still see him occasionally, so that picture pushes all sorts of nostalgia and amazement buttons. Though I never met either Doug or Jimmy, they were a big topic of conversation. Never would we have imagined how life turned out for Doug, or any of us for that matter. And we definitely would not have imagined Converse high-tops being a fashion statement. ("Cons", not "Chucks" ... friggin' hipsters ...).

    John

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    posted that pic ^ here when he passed...a moving thread

    Doug Raney RIP

    love dougs music stand!! haha...sheets strewn all of the floor!

    pic from back cover of the touch of your lips

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    white hi top cons were always cool!

    cheers

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    "the touch of your lips" is a magnificent album! The guitar is spot on.

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    Cons vs. Chucks

    When I was a kid, they were definitely "Cons." Sometime in high school, it changed to "Chucks." Never knew why.

    Anyway, I've almost always had a pair since I was about 12, but I have switched to low tops. When I was younger, I thought they were the most comfortable shoes ever...they don't really offer the support I once thought they did.

    Turned 40 this year, I'm fearing the day my all white New Balance dad sneakers arrive in the mail with the sample boxes of Tide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    posted that pic ^ here when he passed...a moving thread

    Doug Raney RIP

    love dougs music stand!! haha...sheets strewn all of the floor!

    pic from back cover of the touch of your lips

    Doug Raney's gear with Chet-dcn-jpg

    white hi top cons were always cool!e

    cheers
    I forgot about that pic, looks like his 350 there, I guess he didn't use the same guitar on all the trio sessions.

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    Likely a 350T and a Polytone.....

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    And growing up in Philly and NYC, we always called them "Cons". But I just turned 62, what do I know?

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    Yeah I lost the CT's before high school, you couldn't get chicks looking like a nerd back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Cons vs. Chucks

    When I was a kid, they were definitely "Cons." Sometime in high school, it changed to "Chucks." Never knew why.

    Anyway, I've almost always had a pair since I was about 12, but I have switched to low tops. When I was younger, I thought they were the most comfortable shoes ever...they don't really offer the support I once thought they did.

    Turned 40 this year, I'm fearing the day my all white New Balance dad sneakers arrive in the mail with the sample boxes of Tide.
    In NY, they were "Cons", and I'm old enough to have actually played basketball in them (way past 21, as a certain Chicagoan might say). I stopped wearing them when I switched to other sports in high school, then somewhere along the way I picked up a pair of green high tops as gig-wear, but gave up on them because I found then really uncomfortable. Hard to believe we actually played ball in them. Current gig-wear is a pair of red Puma Clydes (which are not called Clydes any more, but I'm old and from NY, so they're Clydes). I've also got black NB's. You can wear 'em to work, even with a suit.

    John

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    .....and NHOP on bass......no more needs saying !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis D
    .....and NHOP on bass......no more needs saying !
    Best post of the day so far? I agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John A.
    In NY, they were "Cons", and I'm old enough to have actually played basketball in them (way past 21, as a certain Chicagoan might say). I stopped wearing them when I switched to other sports in high school, then somewhere along the way I picked up a pair of green high tops as gig-wear, but gave up on them because I found then really uncomfortable. Hard to believe we actually played ball in them. Current gig-wear is a pair of red Puma Clydes (which are not called Clydes any more, but I'm old and from NY, so they're Clydes). I've also got black NB's. You can wear 'em to work, even with a suit.

    John
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    Quote Originally Posted by John A.
    I've also got black NB's. You can wear 'em to work, even with a suit.
    Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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    I played ball in worse than Cons. A few guys had Cons, but I couldn't afford them, so I had some black ones that I can't remember the name of. They were state of the art at the time (late '50s, early '60s). I don't recall that they had any particular name, though, at least in my part of the country, and it was way out in the country.

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    Gorgeous.

    Drugs suck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgosnell
    I played ball in worse than Cons. A few guys had Cons, but I couldn't afford them, so I had some black ones that I can't remember the name of. They were state of the art at the time (late '50s, early '60s). I don't recall that they had any particular name, though, at least in my part of the country, and it was way out in the country.
    PF Flyers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    I forgot about that pic, looks like his 350 there, I guess he didn't use the same guitar on all the trio sessions.

    Or could be a 350T. Does the neck look a tad small?

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    Were all the 350t's short scale?

    I wonder if there could be a bit of an optical illusion going on? Doug was definitely pictured with this guitar a few times.

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    doug used a lot of different guitars in his career...unfortunately, addiction and keeping gear usually don't go hand in hand...lost, stolen. traded, pawned, broken or sold...even his dad jimmy "lost" his classic gibson es-150 that he used throughout the 50's...supposedly left it in the back of a cab!..

    if i remember doug also inherited a guitar or two when jimmy passed...

    & how many of the guitars he's pictured with might have been loaners as well?..his last days pics see him with an ibanez...

    he was a master, with any guitar in his hands... no doubt

    may he rip..both of them...doug & jimmy raney..two of the best ever

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    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehu
    Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
    What can I say? I'm built for comfort, not for speed.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Were all the 350t's short scale?
    the original 50's 350T's were 23.5 scale...but gibby did a reissue in 1977..with a 25.5 scale!!! (& with humbuckers. not original p-90's)

    cheers

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    yeah I was thinking the one in the pic above might be one of the long scale 70s models but by '77 when it was introduced most Gibson models had a volute and the one in the pic doesn't. I thought I knew most of the guitars he played, but never seen him w/a thinline.
    I think his dad gave him the blonde full depth 350 he's often pictured with and Jimmy started playing a 175 [both shown in neatomics pic above] I believe he had a sunburst 350 as well.
    Jimmy was playing a custom guitar by a European builder at the end though I can't remember the maker.
    It was one of the ones Doug wound up with, though I've never seen him playing it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by neatomic
    the original 50's 350T's were 23.5 scale...but gibby did a reissue in 1977..with a 25.5 scale!!! (& with humbuckers. not original p-90's)

    cheers
    The 1977 ES-350T reissue has a 5-piece neck, a volute, is a Thinline and has the split-parallellogram inlays. I think it’s the most likely candidate for the guitar Doug is holding in the picture!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    The 1977 ES-350T reissue has a 5-piece neck, a volute, is a Thinline and has the split-parallellogram inlays. I think it’s the most likely candidate for the guitar Doug is holding in the picture!
    Jay, don't believe the one in the pic has a volute....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    Jimmy was playing a custom guitar by a European builder at the end though I can't remember the maker.
    It was one of the ones Doug wound up with, though I've never seen him playing it.

    wm- that's a hofner az..he got it thru his association with attila zoller



    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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    Walt Frazier - - no punk / hot-dog attitude - -nothing but talent and cool !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Turned 40 this year...
    ****** young'uns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
    Were all the 350t's short scale?

    I wonder if there could be a bit of an optical illusion going on? Doug was definitely pictured with this guitar a few times.

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    I believe that is a Gibson L7 rather than an ES 350. I think his brother mentioned that in a blog once. It had several different pickups over the years and I think was the longest held guitar that he had. A fine sounding instrument although he seemed to sound equally good with whatever instrument he was playing at any given time. Interestingly, I've been listening to his album "You Go To My Head" and there are moments where I would swear his guitar sounds almost exactly like Ed Bickert's Telecaster on "Out Of The Past."

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    Yeah I lost the CT's before high school, you couldn't get chicks looking like a nerd back then.
    Still can't. Ask me how I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cunamara
    I believe that is a Gibson L7 rather than an ES 350. I think his brother mentioned that in a blog once. It had several different pickups over the years and I think was the longest held guitar that he had. A fine sounding instrument although he seemed to sound equally good with whatever instrument he was playing at any given time. Interestingly, I've been listening to his album "You Go To My Head" and there are moments where I would swear his guitar sounds almost exactly like Ed Bickert's Telecaster on "Out Of The Past."
    I think you're right, one of them was a 350, the other an L7, probably the blonde one, heard about the multiple pu's before as well.
    No matter, you're right, the greats sound so on just about anything they played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wintermoon
    Jay, don't believe the one in the pic has a volute....
    I *think* I see a round edge of the black backside of the headstock and not a stinger, so I concluded it must be a volute. But it’s difficult to see, I could be wrong of course....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Jay
    I *think* I see a round edge of the black backside of the headstock and not a stinger, so I concluded it must be a volute. But it’s difficult to see, I could be wrong of course....
    I *think* the 70's 350T's in natural were *not* black on the back of the headstock. Only the original short scale versions.

    *Update: found this example of the natural reissue:

    Vintage 1978 Gibson ES-350T Electric Guitar Natural Finish | Reverb
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